The Genesis Sequel

[NoenGaruth]

[quote author=Dacon link=topic=488.msg16458#msg16458 date=1234236365]
There shouldn't be a focus on just one character anyway.
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Agreed, if perchance this is the final part of the FF7 story, it should be a game where you have a full party.

Also, does anyone else wanna see Elfe return in this one? Personaly I think it'd be nice to make her a party member, plus being the former leader of AVALANCHE would make her a valuble member of the WRO considering she spent many years fighting to stop shinra and help the planet [and not in the 'kill all life' way that Fuhito attempted]. Not to mention she'd have quite the fighting skills, and even without that materia in her hand shes had a couple of years to build up her strength.
My guess is that Tseng would tell you about her since him, Reno and Rude are like the only ones who knows she and Verdot are still alive and then you'd have to go off and track her down.

And as for Shelke, I can see her more like being a support main character, like who's there to provide you with info and can call up for tactical assisstance, but not playable.

(Also Dacon, about Shelke/Nero/Weiss being the only Tsviets left, from what we've learned out of the compilation about characters falling, Rosso might still be around .....and lets not forget Argento, tho IMO i rekon she couldn't care less about what's going on and just took off somewhere)

 

[ForceStealer]

[quote author=Dacon link=topic=488.msg16458#msg16458 date=1234236365]
There shouldn't be a focus on just one character anyway.
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Agreed. I can understand the titles so far exposing characters that either could use more exposition (Zack, ...sorta Vincent) or just one people wanted more of (Cloud), but most of my favorite parts in all of them is when we get to see everyone else.

Just like you said Noen, if this next title is to be the last (and I think it should be), I want everyone to be there (except Sephiroth, a mention of him will do).

 

[Suzaku]

[quote author=Masamune link=topic=488.msg16164#msg16164 date=1234186623]
There's been talk of Genesis "protecting the planet" and "reclaiming his honour", which people assume will see him as a main character or a supporting one. But I beg to differ. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And let's not forget the ominous glint in his eye when he took off with Weiss at the end of DoC. That's either a red herring by SE, or Genesis will be clashing heads with Cloud & co in the not so distant future.
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According to the CC Ultimania, it was a red herring. In the Scenario Q&A, it basically said, "For people who see it without having played CC, it looks like an ominous being unleashed on the world. After playing CC, there opinions should do a 180."

I don't want him to show up and try to destroy all life on the Planet to save it. It's been done before, in both Before Crisis and Dirge of Cerberus. I also don't think we have any need of another guy running around with a wing trying to cause trouble, Sephiroth is fine.

Whatever the new crisis is, it's probably big. He sealed himself away to prepare for a future crisis to threaten the Planet, and nothing so far has been enough to wake him.

I don't really know what I want his role to be, I don't want him in a starring role, or really, even as a party member. He'll have to be able to stand on his own two feet and make sense for people not entirely familiar with CC. I think if he were presented as a sort of rogue, a possible ally acting on his own, that would be for the best.

I really don't know, really. There's absolutely no hint at what the next plot could be, just that Genesis is awake and has Weiss with him.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

I have speculated myself on the general populace not taking too kindly to the WRO, what with it being formed by former ShinRa— Reeve, mostly, and if it was ever discovered that Rufus was funding it...

That could provide some minor conflict.

 

[Alex]

I don't expect we'll see the next sequel to this game released any time soon. Remember that little 'FFVII Compliation will last another 10 years' quote from a while back. They're obviously just holding out on it, and by the time they come round to it I certainly won't care too much for it.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

That doesn't mean that no one else will. Some of us have been die hard fans of FF7 for over 10 years already. What's another decade?

 

[Max Payne]

Fuck that. No way in hell do I wait that fucking long for another FF7 game. That's some stupid shit.

SE would be very idiotic to try and pull that. It's just stupid.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Yeah, that would be pretty retarded. I am not waiting a decade for the next FF7 installment.

 

[Cthulhu]

Yet everyone waited for AC, which was almost ten years, .

 

[Cat Rage Room]

AC kinda 'happened'. I wouldn't say people were waiting on it.

 

[Max Payne]

[quote author=Cthulhu link=topic=488.msg16706#msg16706 date=1234305224]
Yet everyone waited for AC, which was almost ten years, .
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No we didn't.

We waited what? 3 years? No one even expected AC.

shutup cthulufsashin

 

[Alex]

I didnt have any idea about AC at all before I joined ACF

 

[strode78]

first of all, sephiroth is still not dead. The 10th anniversary ultimania guide states "Though he was killed twice, his spirit will not return to the Lifestream, and remnants of his aggression continue to exist on the Planet."

sephiroth in some form will be the enemy in the next one IMO. But how do you kill him then? you have to MAKE him return to the planet. the question becomes how to do that.

First of all you need to take him on IN the lifestream. Fight his will and not a physical manifestation. now WHO could be strong enough to undergo this journey? obviously there are only a few candidates.

1 - genesis
2 - weiss/nero
3 - aerith

possibles -

-cloud
-vincent
-minerva

there are obviously idealogical differences between most of the possible protagonists that they would have to set aside for a higher, united purpose.

This would be a wonderful approach i think. traveling through the life stream to attack sephiroth for what he is, a force of will. coupled with interesting party dynamics based on everything that has happened thusfar, and wild strengths and powers. Come up with an epic plan on sephiroth's part to justify the whole format and you could potentially have one hugely epic and trippy rpg.

It especially could be done well if they treat sephiroth like jecht/sin in X. Just an ominous force looming in the background instead of a character to interact with. not revealed in any solid form until the end so as to focus on in-party dynamics.

i can see it now...


edit: just thought of something else, perhaps there could be a subplot of the rest of the team/WRO fighting on the planet's surface

 

[Max Payne]

Here we go.

 

[Dark and Divine]

[quote author=strode78 link=topic=488.msg16716#msg16716 date=1234305667]
first of all, sephiroth is still not dead. The 10th anniversary ultimania guide states "Though he was killed twice, his spirit will not return to the Lifestream, and remnants of his aggression continue to exist on the Planet."[/quote]

This was probably reffering to before AC.

He was killed twice (when he fell in the reactor and at the end of FFVII), but remnants of his agression continue to exist on the Planet (Geostigma and the SHM).

I don't think that it's an indication that Sephiroth is still alive post AC.

 

[Makoeyes987]

That statement on Sephiroth isn't a post FFVII description of his character. That's just a general introduction paragraph of his character in the Compilation and how it ties into FFVII and AC...the two Compilation titles that feature him as an antagonist. His remnants are the remnants that appear in AC, and the two times he died were when he got flung into the Lifestream and then when he died in FFVII.

He was already returned to the planet in AC when he finally got killed and Geostigma was cured. Due to his will being destroyed, the Negative Lifestream was destroyed, and Geostigma ceased being a fatal disease without Sephiroth's will causing it to happen. His will is already gone.

 

[strode78]

BUT remember that in DOC hojo is collecting non-geostigma infected subjects, meaning that geostigma still exists after AC and therefore sephiroth's will may still be active.

edit: AND the guide was published AFTER AC and AFTER CC even, so it is up to date with current affairs.

2nd edit: sephiroth's last words even after omnislash V are "i will never be a memory" so clearly he's confident that even though he's leaving kadaj his will won't be eradicated.

 

[Alex]

first of all, sephiroth is still not dead

I only read this first sentence and that killed any and all potential interest I had in your post. It would also go on to kill any interest I would have in the sequel and my trust in SE to tell a compelling story.

 

[Makoeyes987]

[quote author=strode78 link=topic=488.msg16727#msg16727 date=1234306184]
BUT remember that in DOC hojo is collecting non-geostigma infected subjects, meaning that geostigma still exists after AC and therefore sephiroth's will may still be active.[/quote]

They don't have Geostigma. They only have Jenova cells. Geostigma ceased being a threat after AC. It's a continuity error. They call anyone carrying Jenova cells, as having Geostigma. In the FFVII 10th Anniversary, they list Geostigma as only appearing in Advent Children. What's seen in DC isn't Geostigma.

If they aren't dying, then its not Geostigma.

edit: AND the guide was published AFTER AC and AFTER CC even, so it is up to date with current affairs.

That doesn't change the fact that it's not talking about Sephiroth in terms of post AC. It's an introduction. A brief synopsis of his character.

2nd edit: sephiroth's last words even after omnislash V are "i will never be a memory" so clearly he's confident that even though he's leaving kadaj his will won't be eradicated.

Yeah, and Zeromus said the same thing but he sure wasn't the next antagonist in the FFIV sequel. So did Neo-ExDeath and every single other FF villain. Last word bravado is hardly indicative of them actually coming back.

 

[strode78]

IF sephiroth's will is really gone (big if in my opinion) then just substitute his name with jenova's in the synopsis and it still all makes sense and would be a cool game.

edit: it actually makes MORE sense, as ALL of the suggested party characters have direct conflict with jenova. And te struggle to finally id the planet of her once and for all is certainly a story worth telling.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Jenova is already gone too. Jenova SYNTHESIS was the most complete form of Jenova in FFVII. It was killed.

Then the last remaining pieces of her were used in AC to create Sephiroth's new body. That was lost too.

There really is no more Jenova. It's gone.

 

[strode78]

the only way to make a full blown FF VII-2 is to extend and develop the central conflict. otherwise it's just a spin-off game. a different conflict in the same world ie DOC and CC. in order to really make it feel like FF VII-2 this is the path they must take. if genesis was the final boss it would feel like crisis core 2.

All of compilation adds so many facets to the characters and stories of FF VII, that i do believe it's justified to further develop the central conflicts. otherwise its just "the further adventures of (insert character here)"
and there's no way to give a feeling of completion to the compilation.

do you really want to see our heroes fight genesis with nothing in the past to make it personal? or on the other hand do you really want to see genesis fight a nameless enemy?

Square ALSO knows that even though not everybody saw AC or played CC, DOC, or BC they'll certainly come out of the woodwork for a full FF VII-2. The selling point then obviously has to be a conflict that is developed from the original game.

 

[Max Payne]

NO. To your entire post.

 

[strode78]

watch and see, there is no other way they can cap off the compilation. they know this. i promise you sephy/jenova WILL be back in the next installment. maybe in a different form. maybe with a different face. but in the end, if they really believed the central conflict was resolved, they wouldn't be building momentum towards an ending like they have been.

Leaving a cliffhanger and then delaying its resolution with a whole game just to explain it is building a whole lot of tension into the plotline.

Its also clear that they went out of their way to make genesis and sephiroth rivals. wings on opposing sides and all. where else could the story go? they simply HAVE to cross swords. otherwise Genesis can never become the hero that he wants to be by defeating sephiroth. it's the only way to end a genesis story.

 

[Alex]

can't we just give Sephiroth a rest? He's a very tired plot device at this stage