That feels like a waste - looking at it from SE's point of view. Developing the entire character, all the battle animations, equipment, interactions, etc... all for just that short escape segment? I dunno.
Thoughts on how to expand the Midgar scenario
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That feels like a waste - looking at it from SE's point of view. Developing the entire character, all the battle animations, equipment, interactions, etc... all for just that short escape segment? I dunno.
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H0512, the confrontation with President Shinra, the night in prison, the Trail of Blood, the confrontation with Rufus, the elevator fight, the lobby scene, the motorcycle chase, the fight with motorball, and the denouement after. It's a very long segment that comprises the climax of Act 1, and if the remake's Scorpion Sentinel is any indication, this climax is going to be much expanded and epic. I don't see a problem introducing Red XIII at the point in which he was introduced before.
I don't have a personal problem with it, but I'm worried SE will.
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Me too. But I'm super precious about FF7, as most fans are. Everything they change I'm gonna be like "Whyyyy doesn't Seventh Heaven have saloon doors?" lol
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Several of those moments, though, are just different beats of the same moment.
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If I'm being honest I think SE would be banking on Nanaki having a short time in the game, if only to work out how his mechanics for down the line. The company has always been rather ambivalent around him. No surprise he was the last playable non-human(oid, Kimahri doesn't count) in the series.
What's the cobalt and indigo plot?
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He could be AI-only for the end of part 1 as a tease for part 2 if it's too much work to fully design his mechanics, as Claymore suggests.
I wonder if the Hundred/Heli gunner fight will be the same, he would be restricted to purely magic, Barret and Aerith (as her attacks seem to be ranged now) would be able to fight fine.
I wonder if the Hundred/Heli gunner fight will be the same, he would be restricted to purely magic, Barret and Aerith (as her attacks seem to be ranged now) would be able to fight fine.
They could also make SOLDIERs more important to the story(not only in Midgar). I remember Cloud hyping them up at the start of the game and telling the party how dangerous they were, so I was very surprised to find they were just normal enemies(not even bosses) with no importance to the plot.
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Kept you waiting, huh?
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I dunno how much we'd get in the way of Compilation "easter eggs", but say you (Cloud) gets to explore the Upper Plates this time around and it's post-Sector 7, you see a certain someone aimlessly wandering around...
Also, I dunno how likely this would be, but assuming Remake is a modern style gaming experience of random little missions/side quests you can complete (even Crisis Core had this), I could easily see some kind of flashback of Slums Sector 7 post-Train Station Reunion, so the first time players' are left utterly confused why Cloud's so "tired" while Tifa's oddly concerned. You could run around the Sector doing little tasks/small missions for her? Interesting mystery and relationship building, IMO
Also, I dunno how likely this would be, but assuming Remake is a modern style gaming experience of random little missions/side quests you can complete (even Crisis Core had this), I could easily see some kind of flashback of Slums Sector 7 post-Train Station Reunion, so the first time players' are left utterly confused why Cloud's so "tired" while Tifa's oddly concerned. You could run around the Sector doing little tasks/small missions for her? Interesting mystery and relationship building, IMO
Maybe Sector 7 Train Man will get an expanded story!!
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Kept you waiting, huh?
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Heh, I'm sure he had lots of stories to tell, witnessing things like the Tifa/Cloud reunion, and far back when of Aerith losing her mother.
On that note, if my idea of some "mini-missions in flashback form" post-train station reunion isn't within the realm of possibility, potential easy content could be:
Overall though, I'm more than happy to take the Remake project as it comes, since it's in place of work for FF16 (or whatever).
On that note, if my idea of some "mini-missions in flashback form" post-train station reunion isn't within the realm of possibility, potential easy content could be:
- While Cloud falls into Sector 5 Slums: Obscured, rapid-style, jump cuts of 7-8 year old Cloud and Tifa falling off the bridge before text(?) by "mystery voice" while Cloud's utterly confused about "that time" and "scarred knees" would be *Chef kiss*
- During Midgar exploration: optionally returning to Aerith's house or Slum Church with your Party Members to rest would be a super nice touch. The group's White Mage has gotta look out for her party!
- If Barret's in your party, we'd see him and Marlene happily chatting
Tifa and Aerith would probably check in with her (+ maybe Aerith could sit and have tea with Elmyra). - Aerith could give Tifa a tour of her garden outside, too!
- If Barret's in your party, we'd see him and Marlene happily chatting
- Taking the Stairs (canon option according to 25th Ultimania Vol 2
) vs busting into Shinra HQ. - During that first Shinra raid ^ , Cloud and co actually encountering(?) some of the Shinra staff—Reeve included for dat delicious foreshadowing.
- I could easily see something like an hour's worth extra content of fleshing out Red as a party member, assuming the motorcycle escape/standing in Midgar's outskirts is where Part 1 ends. (I guess idea # 2 couldn't really fit there, since the party's trying to hightail it outta Midgar proper.)
Overall though, I'm more than happy to take the Remake project as it comes, since it's in place of work for FF16 (or whatever).
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Sidequest to try and find bring medicine to this guy who are very sick.
But really though, I want to have you be able to spend more time helping random people out in the slums – especially once you meet up with Aerith, before you're start getting lured off to Wall Market. On top of that, getting to spend time on the plate, so that you get acquainted with the Slums, as well as feeling the differentiation in what life is like above and below. Start to feel WHY Barret is driven and that his collateral damage view is believable, but Tifa's misgivings are still significantly valid. You should feel the struggles of everyone, so that the act of dropping the sector is just so UNFATHOMABLY EVIL beyond the pulls of the "necessary" ends-justify-the-means struggle you'd been facing that it utterly obliterates the scope of what you've been doing – even with the full scale of an explorable Midgar.
This is how and where I want to expand things the most, but I think that even the process of breaking in to the ShinRa HQ could be expanded. When you see Cloud running through in the trailer, you can see that there are regular employees working there in the backgrounds. I want it to feel like ShinRa has all of the machinations of a massive corporation, but that so many people there just have regular jobs and you don't want to interfere with them, but also feel completely fine to go in guns blazing once you get to Hojo. That area has a lot of misc puzzles and things that are likely to be adapted into some sort of experience that's more than just content padding from the OG.
That will also help to inform what it's like when you have to go escape the HQ and also try to get out of Midgar completely, which has plenty of layers that it can expand upon – especially since that's when you'd be likely to be bringing Nanaki in to the mix, and there're a lot of interesting things you might be able to do with him.
Related: Just seeing how they deal with Nanaki & ladders is gonna be interesting in and of itself.
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But really though, I want to have you be able to spend more time helping random people out in the slums – especially once you meet up with Aerith, before you're start getting lured off to Wall Market. On top of that, getting to spend time on the plate, so that you get acquainted with the Slums, as well as feeling the differentiation in what life is like above and below. Start to feel WHY Barret is driven and that his collateral damage view is believable, but Tifa's misgivings are still significantly valid. You should feel the struggles of everyone, so that the act of dropping the sector is just so UNFATHOMABLY EVIL beyond the pulls of the "necessary" ends-justify-the-means struggle you'd been facing that it utterly obliterates the scope of what you've been doing – even with the full scale of an explorable Midgar.
This is how and where I want to expand things the most, but I think that even the process of breaking in to the ShinRa HQ could be expanded. When you see Cloud running through in the trailer, you can see that there are regular employees working there in the backgrounds. I want it to feel like ShinRa has all of the machinations of a massive corporation, but that so many people there just have regular jobs and you don't want to interfere with them, but also feel completely fine to go in guns blazing once you get to Hojo. That area has a lot of misc puzzles and things that are likely to be adapted into some sort of experience that's more than just content padding from the OG.
That will also help to inform what it's like when you have to go escape the HQ and also try to get out of Midgar completely, which has plenty of layers that it can expand upon – especially since that's when you'd be likely to be bringing Nanaki in to the mix, and there're a lot of interesting things you might be able to do with him.
Related: Just seeing how they deal with Nanaki & ladders is gonna be interesting in and of itself.
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Kept you waiting, huh?
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Awesome idea!
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I mean, the battle animations, character design, etc., won't completely be wasted, since I'm sure they would reuse assets in the second remake game.
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I want there to be more hints and situations that make it clear that Cloud indeed used to be in Shinra, just not as a Soldier (,, just hints mind me. I don't want a dramatic change in the story,). In one of the first trailers in the scene where Cloud jumps on the train after being surrounded by Shinra troops, there is this one trooper who looks really concerned, as if he recognizes Cloud as a former colleague. He reaches out his arm when Cloud jumps and you can see his face, which is the only moment you ever see the face of a simple trooper, which makes it so significant in my eyes.
They could expand on this and give some hints and remarks along the way, e.g. during fights. I can't imagine that none of the troopers recognize Cloud. How long had he been with Shinra?
They could expand on this and give some hints and remarks along the way, e.g. during fights. I can't imagine that none of the troopers recognize Cloud. How long had he been with Shinra?