Who's the sexiest in Dissidia?

[Makoeyes987]

Oh you probably aren't looking at Schala's community on LJ where she posts the scripts for each of the character's Destiny Odyssey's huh? I was referring to that. She did Tidus, Cecil, and Cloud's Destiny Odyssey's.

http://community.livejournal.com/ffchaoticcosmos/45013.html#cutid1

Plus there are subs on youtube of each of the storyline cutscenes as well.

 

[Strangelove]

The original Japanese profiles do just say 'original work [=game]', rather than 'world'.

I thought they changed stuff around for Dissidia, without it necessarily having to match up with the originals? Did they ever say they were meant to be?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well they do reference coming from their original worlds in Dissidia, and Schala translated them as "world" so... And what stuff was changed around? I'm not sure I follow cause so far, Dissidia seems pretty consistent.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I had only read Cloud and Zidane's before.

Going through Cloud's Text only bits now.

This bit "Cloud: It's not a heavy sword. It's an important sword."

First thing that popped into my head: "He's not heavy, he's my brother.", which I think was the thing they were going for, myself.

I'm not quite sure where in Tidus's story mode you're getting that it's post 10. I think Jecht thought he could be free of Sin if they defeated Cosmos and that's why he was talking about going back with the unnamed but rather obvious individual.

There are several running themes throughout FFII, IV, VII, and X (thought X lacks a highwind... Unless it's Cid et kinder, which would be all sorts of hilarious), as someone noted on the LJ, though they do miss a step by having Mateus and not Leon in Dissidia to complete the 'has prior emotional hangup with this guy' the other three have (and IX does).

 

[Makoeyes987]

The Cloud bit, is a obviously a reference to Zack and you know...the whole handing off the Buster Sword at Zack's death.

Ah, but Jecht never mentions ever wanting to be free of Sin. He says he wants to return home. Sin is never mentioned. And his EX form is obviously a nod to his form as the Final Aeon. So going by that, and his acceptance of returning to Spira, it only makes sense to conclude that Sin has finally been beaten, and its only a matter of returning home and being at peace.

 

[Strangelove]

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Well they do reference coming from their original worlds in Dissidia, and Schala translated them as "world" so... And what stuff was changed around? I'm not sure I follow cause so far, Dissidia seems pretty consistent.
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"World" was to give it a more in-universe, immersive effect, but it originally just referred to them as 'works'.

I just thought they took the characters in their most recognisable state, and reworked things to make things more interesting for Dissidia (making Cecil know Golbeza is his brother, giving characters their end game forms for Ex-Modes, etc.), rather than them being strictly taken from a specific point of time in the original games.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well that's probably true but at least they gave the game consistency and continuity to make it make sense and fit, rather than just splosh them all together ala Kingdom Hearts.

 

[Super Mario]

I think from II - X that they're all pulled off from their worlds after their adventures and I before WoL begun his. Tidus' makes sense as he left X and returned in X-2. Just in time for dinner

 

[Makoeyes987]

Yeah, Garland does remark that its impressive Tidus broke himself from the karmic spiral.

I guess he'd have plenty of first person experience regarding karmic spirals

 

[Super Mario]

Yeah. And I'm wondering why Garland and Chaos aren't the same beings. Well... Garland becomes Chaos. But whats the difference between FF Chaos and Dissidia Chaos?

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's the mystery.

But Garland says cryptically "You and I carry the same burden."

And Chaos says to Garland, "The Perpetual cycle is now closed."

I have my own ideas, but I think someone more familiar with FF1 should take a crack at it. I'd hate to be wrong

 

[Strangelove]

Garland says to Chaos that 'I am you, and you are me', then talks about how at the brink of death he used the power of Chaos to travel back 2000 years.

But I've not played FFI, so I don't really know what that's all about. I assumed it was a reference to that

 

[Makoeyes987]

Okay, no one can argue there being continuity in this game now. Wow.

Garland just flat out says that? When and where, plz?\

I'm so confused, is Dissidia in the past of FF1, or...something?

 

[Super Mario]

I've browsed and read through. Apparently, GARland had 4 fiends (not Golbez's homies) use the power of time paradox to be in a 2000 year loop. With the WoL's group beating him in Chaos form by ending the time loop.

How Chaos/Garland got out of the loop to battle Cosmos for 9000 times is beyond me.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Depends? Because FF1's second half is in the past of FF1.

Okay, the thing is, in FF1, Garland is this strong, noble knight. And he gets infected with the only remaining fragment of chaos, making him go mad. Eventually, he goes back in time and apotheoses into Chaos himself, only to be defeated, so he send a fragment of himself to be hidden away so that yadda yadda Time Loop Yadda Yadda many times over yadda yadda break the cycle.

A scewy theory I had about dissidia, was that it was somehow the START of the cycle, but that hasn't particularly born itself out, though it might be part of the last or second to last cycle.

 

[Makoeyes987]

The time-loop is just utterly crazy but apparently the Chaos in Dissidia is the one that's from FF1? Is that the case, hitoshura?

Man, this is just confusing but interesting XD

I always find time-travel/time-loop plots confusing though

The only thing I'm thinking is, is that Dissidia is..the final, true outcome of one of the loops? But wait that can't be it, because FF1, broke the loop, right?

 

[Strangelove]

Apparently, GARland had 4 fiends (not Golbez's homies) use the power of time paradox to be in a 2000 year loop.

The 4 Chaoses (Lich, Marilith, Kraken, and Tiamat)?

I've never played FFI, so I don't know about its story much. I did recognise the little homage to its opening at the end of Dissidia, thought

@Mako: He tells Chaos that stuff in Shade Impulse 3, when he tells Chaos the truth. If I'm remembering this right, the world of Dissidia was created (like the game ) using various elements drawn from different dimensions, and crafted by Garland (based on the revelations of the Great Will) into a battlefield for Cosmos and Chaos in order to create the ultimate weapon (Shinryuu, which Chaos uses as a summon during his battle).

If I may go into some slight speculation , before Garland did all this, everything was peaceful and Choas and Cosmos ruled together (this is mentioned by Chaos as a vision/memory he had). Back then, everything was separate and as it was in the original games (that's my slight speculation )

 

[Super Mario]

My theory is after Dissidia, the 9000 times battle between Cosmos and Chaos stopped it and begun the first FF. Hereby, going through all the 10 worlds one by one. Dissidia is like a prequel to what started it all with all of the 10 heroes and baddies pulled out of their worlds after their respective adventures. So in a way... It's like a cycle in itself

Edit: Hito: yes, they're the ones that are required for GARland to become Chaos himself. Though I don't know if Dissidia Chaos and FF1 Chaos are the same beings.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Wow...

I guess that explains the fundamental truth of this entire game's plot. It really ALL is connected to FF1

So really, the true mastermind of it all...

IS GARLAND?!

Wow, I guess he really did knock them all down, LOL.

 

[Super Mario]

I, GARland, will knock you down.


Yeah. Garland is Chaos, and Chaos ultimately beats Cosmos.

 

[Strangelove]

Cosmos kind of defeated herself

She encouraged her team to collect the crystals, which were her source of power, which left her weak for Chaos to finish off.

I can't remember why she did that now

 

[Schala-Kitty]

Ahhh, thank you for clarifying the bit about Shinryuu. I was trying to figure out if I should refer to it by name, or by the less O_O! inducing Divine Dragon.

Wow, this topic got all serious on everyone. XD

 

[Strangelove]

I only call it Shinryuu because I don't know what the English games call it

It's been in some others, I don't remember which it said, though.

 

[Super Mario]

It's called True Dragon.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well in the FFV port for the DS that has a new, much more accurate translation, they call Shinryu...Shinryu. They just left it the same.

@Schala

And yes...yes it did. And that was my plan. The "sex" topic was merely the bait to get more discussion going!

SEX SALES BABY!!!

No but I do find hearing people's opinion interesting, lol.