"You wouldn't understand even if I told you."

[Cat Rage Room]

Cait Sith: Is that all? How 'bout the Black Materia?

Cloud: You wouldn't understand even if I told you.

...seriously?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Let me clarify; did Cloud really know about the Black Materia, or was he just postulating that he did? If he did, why withhold that information from everyone? Or was it a mistranslation?

 

[Max Payne]

Maybe he just wanted to be a dick to Reeve.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I always assumed he didn't know, but his own mind was so foggy on that point (what he knew and didn't know) that when he brushed Cait Sith off he actually believed that what he was saying was true. (That makes more sense in my head than it does written down).

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Maybe he just wanted to be a dick to Reeve.

I can imagine Reeve with his ear to the two way radio in a bathrobe, in his condo in Midgar going "GODDAMMIT CLOUD YOU SON OF A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH"

 

[Neo Bahamut]

Wait, where does this even come from?

 

[Cat Rage Room]

The conversation right before the date at the Gold Saucer, and before the Temple of the Ancients.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

It's from this conversation:

http://members.fortunecity.com/sephkatana/ff7stuff/ff7disc1.txt

Tifa
"So Sephiroth is traveling the world because he's searching for
the Promised Land? Is that it?"

Aerith
"That, and one other thing he's searching for."

Cloud
"The Black Materia..."

Cait Sith
"I heard from Dio that a man in a Black Cape was lookin' for the
Black Materia."

Tifa
"I don't even know what the Black Cape is..."
"How many men with Black Capes and number tattoos are there?"

Red XIII
"...you know, of course... My tattoo is number 13."

Cloud
"How did you get that tattoo?"

Red XIII
"...Hojo put it on me. Everything else is just war scars, but the
number was done by Hojo."

Tifa
"So there are at least 13!?"

Aerith
"...You know......"
"I think Hojo did something to those men in the Black Capes."
"But I don't know what it has to do with Sephiroth though..."
"That's why I think we should just go after Sephiroth himself."

Barret
"Yeah, me too! It's all just to damn confusin'."

Aerith
"And..."

(She puts her hands to her face)

Aerith
"I'm sorry, forget it!"
"I think I'm tired. I'm going to bed now."

(She runs upstairs)

Cait Sith
"What was that, all of a sudden!?"
"Is that all? How 'bout the Black Materia?"

(Cloud shrugs)

Cloud
"You wouldn't understand even if I told you."

Barret
"Now all we gotta do is take action! We're startin' tomorrow!!"

This is the Japanese line, by the way: 話したって何もわからないさ

The impression I get of it is that Cloud was saying he himself didn't get it well enough to try explaining it. Which, of course, he wouldn't. They hadn't gone to the temple yet.

 

[Neo Bahamut]

When exactly did they find out about the Black Materia, anyway?

 

[Dashell]

I took it as "Even if I knew and explained it to you, you wouldn't get it." Makes sense to me.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

When exactly did they find out about the Black Materia, anyway?

They first learned about it when Dio brought it up. One of the black-cloaked people had asked him about it shortly before Cloud met him.

 

[Neo Bahamut]

You know, I'm at a loss as to how to explain that line.

Also, that link doesn't work. It didn't before, either.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

You know, I'm at a loss as to how to explain that line.

The line itself lacks pronouns, so I don't think Cloud was saying that it was Cait Sith who didn't understand. I'm pretty sure he was talking about himself. He shrugged while answering the question, after all.

Also, that link doesn't work. It didn't before, either.

It's working for me.

Anyone else having trouble?

 

[DLPB]

basically it is a relatively poor translation again....

 

[linegenrou]

It's from this conversation:

http://members.fortunecity.com/sephkatana/ff7stuff/ff7disc1.txt


This is the Japanese line, by the way: 話したって何もわからないさ

The impression I get of it is that Cloud was saying he himself didn't get it well enough to try explaining it. Which, of course, he wouldn't. They hadn't gone to the temple yet.

Forget that.
What's with Aerith?

 

[Neo Bahamut]

The way I take that line, Aerith had the right idea: Just act natural. Barret isn't really the type to receive sympathy well. What he needed was to brood on his own.

 

[minimosey]

Forget that.
What's with Aerith?

Really late for a response, but I was talking this over with a friend one time and realized that given what they had just been talking about, she might have been about to suggest that Hojo had done something to Cloud as well. After all, she knew that Cloud wasn't acting like himself. But then she can't bring herself to say it (especially in front of the others), so she blurts out the tired excuse and runs off instead.

 

[Ite]

I figured that she was starting to realize that the goddamn white materia in her hand is Chekhov's Gun.

 

[minimosey]

That was actually my thought previously, but it's a little strange since Holy wasn't necessary at that point. Aerith didn't even know what the Black Materia did (she's baffled at the whole thing about "injuring the planet" in the temple), so Holy as a counter is rather irrelevant as far as she knows. And there's not any evidence she knew what Holy could do by that point, as far as I can recall.

 

[Ite]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if there's a special black materia, the special white materia she has might be relevant.

 

[Tennyo]

But they all don't find this stuff out until they go to the temple. I think minimosey may be on to something there.

 

[Ite]

What I'm saying is that you don't need to know anything about the FF7 plot to know that Black is the opposite of White.

Aeris knew she had a funny white materia when you met her in Midgar. She's had it for her whole life and puts it in her hair every morning. Maybe she didn't say anything because she wasn't sure what the connection meant. But that doesn't mean that she was ignorant of the connection.

Holy and Meteor have nothing to do with Aeris' ability to colour-coordinate.

 

[Makoeyes987]

The materia is a pale green actually.... It's not white.

 

[Ite]

That is incorrect. It glows a pale green when it's activated - that's how the party knows that she used it already. If it was always pale green, that waterfall video wouldn't have been a big deal.
The Black Materia - when used - glows a deep purple. That doesn't mean it's not clearly a black materia.