Live Action Akira to be PG-13

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That's the thing though. Yop lives in Denmark. I'd be surprised if he's ever seen more than 3-4 black people in his entire life.

That doesn't matter. He's known a lot of us for a while, and we're black.

Being on the internet doesn't change that. Even with all that, it's no excuse for basing a judgment of an entire race off media bullshit.
 

Makoeyes987

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I never take white people seriously. Unless they're wearing white hoods and capes.

No one should.
 

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Because "The Magnificent Seven" was just so fundamentally different from "Seven Samurai," huh? Fuck Yul Brynner, amirite??

And "The Departed"? Wtf was that shit? Not worth watching the minute Matt Damon and Leo were cast.
Those were remakes/adaptations, though. Like all the Asian horror remakes which take the premise and basic story of the original and retelling it in a different setting with different character.

Is Akira supposed to be a remake/retelling, or is it supposed to be a live action version of the original? (Because I honestly don't know :monster: )
 

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by the way, Yop doesn’t live in Denmark. He lives in the Netherlands.
 

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Those were remakes/adaptations, though. Like all the Asian horror remakes which take the premise and basic story of the original and retelling it in a different setting with different character.

Is Akira supposed to be a remake/retelling, or is it supposed to be a live action version of the original? (Because I honestly don't know :monster: )

Even when dealing with a "live action version" of something we're dealing with a remake/adaptation. Even the film versions of "Watchmen" and "V for Vendetta" are adaptations, with some things emphasized, some downplayed, some omitted, some added, etc.

That should be the assumption we take with anything like this. Did anyone really expect the "X-Men" movie to be an exact recreation of any particular comic or storyline?

If anything, remaining too true to source material is a bad thing. It's not only a waste of a potential new vision of the older material, and it's not only inherently less interesting, but it also means you aren't saying anything new.

And, again, if you want to say something poignant and speak to a different culture than before, while not always necessary, it doesn't not make sense to adapt the material to the other culture.

Why Dacon takes offense to that suggestion I don't understand. I'm not saying that one should completely disregard every last thing about the source material and still slap the same title on the new product if they so wish. I'm saying that if one has remained true to the spirit and relevance of the original work and reuses plot elements or characters while saying something similar to a different culture and adapting the work to that context, I don't see a problem with reusing the title.

Obviously there are different standards to be met depending on the nature of the work. You're going to have a different idea of what "remaining true to the source material" means with "Dragonball" than you are with "Akira." One lends itself to nerdrage over changes more than the other, as one really doesn't have anything to say beyond the geek details of what it is.
 

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Even when dealing with a "live action version" of something we're dealing with a remake/adaptation. Even the film versions of "Watchmen" and "V for Vendetta" are adaptations, with some things emphasized, some downplayed, some omitted, some added, etc.

That should be the assumption we take with anything like this. Did anyone really expect the "X-Men" movie to be an exact recreation of any particular comic or storyline?

The X-Men movie? Here's a better example: The Wolverine anime where Wolverine is some bishonen with long hair who fights against demons in old Japan or something.

Is that still Wolverine? Not really.
 

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Even when dealing with a "live action version" of something we're dealing with a remake/adaptation. Even the film versions of "Watchmen" and "V for Vendetta" are adaptations, with some things emphasized, some downplayed, some omitted, some added, etc.

You can only deviate so far from the source material before it alienates fans and wastes the time of viewers expecting to get a glimpse of what the franchise in the title is supposed to be. It doesn't have to be perfectly parallel with the original but for God's sake, make it something similar.

That should be the assumption we take with anything like this. Did anyone really expect the "X-Men" movie to be an exact recreation of any particular comic or storyline?

No that should not be the expectation. Yes, changes will occur but when you go to see Akira, you should be prepared to see a reasonable facsimile of the story on the big screen. Not some diatribe that loosely borrows elements and themes from the original and uses them as an excuse to expound their own weak or nonsensical story.

If they want to do something unique so bad, make an original film. Its so damn tiring seeing filmmakers cash in on franchises because they're safe, and using them as springboards to launch their own fail ideas wrapped in the safe cushion of whatever is popular.

If anything, remaining too true to source material is a bad thing. It's not only a waste of a potential new vision of the older material, and it's not only inherently less interesting, but it also means you aren't saying anything new.

Waste of potential? No the waste of potential are filmmaker hacks being too chickenshit to write something new AND original. That's the waste of potential. If you're gonna do an adaptation of something already made, then stick to it. Vary it up a bit, but goddamnit if I'm going in to see Akira, show me Akira. Not some US cultural appropriation bullshit wrapped up in an anime story. That's PG-Fuck You Fans-13.

And, again, if you want to say something poignant and speak to a different culture than before, while not always necessary, it doesn't not make sense to adapt the material to the other culture.

Why not take that poignant message and make something new instead?

Why Dacon takes offense to that suggestion I don't understand. I'm not saying that one should completely disregard every last thing about the source material and still slap the same title on the new product if they so wish. I'm saying that if one has remained true to the spirit and relevance of the original work and reuses plot elements or characters while saying something similar to a different culture and adapting the work to that context, I don't see a problem with reusing the title.

THAT'S WHAT HOLLYWOOD DOES TRES! I can count on my hands how many good film adaptions of franchises there have been within the last 5 years, and that's sad. Most of the time, they suck. Hard. Hollywood has no talent at all adapting shit to the silverscreen that wasn't intended to be there. You're speaking as if we haven't had to watch through dregs like Dragonball Evolution, X-Men Origins, the X-Men Trilogy, Hulk, Catwoman, Street Fighter: The History of Chun-Li, and the other mounds of horseshit that get shoveled out of Hollywood.

Obviously there are different standards to be met depending on the nature of the work. You're going to have a different idea of what "remaining true to the source material" means with "Dragonball" than you are with "Akira." One lends itself to nerdrage over changes more than the other, as one really doesn't have anything to say beyond the geek details of what it is.

Which is why some things shouldn't be adapted by Hollywood in the first place. If I want to watch a Dragonball movie, I'll look at one of the 15 damn movies that have already been made and stay true to the franchise. Its superfluous.
 

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I think Tres has already agreed with you that this movie will almost assuredly suck. It seems to me that what he is countering is your collective apparent point that an adaptation is impossible. That changing things while keeping the same message - especially if those changes change who the story appeals to - is essentially blasphemy.

His point is that such an adaption is entirely possible and not by definition offensive. That fact that this adaptation will suck isn't the point.

Take every Disney movie ever, for example, they adapt an existing story (frequently shakespeare), and make changes to appeal to a different audience (children) but deliver essentially the same message. Over the years they have done this with varying degrees of success, but there have been successes.

It looks to me that everyone is always so quick to jump on the racism bandwagon that you completely steamrolled Tres' actual point.
 
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The amount of black people I ever shook hands with is two.

The amount of black people I've ever spoken a few words with in real life is one.

I don't know any of you guys, just your posts on the internets, which makes your ethnicity a minor detail.

Denmark.

Movie will suck. Perhaps not as much as Airbender, but at least as much as DBZ Evolution, which I've refused to watch. (Most likely as much as I'll refuse to watch DBZ again, :monster: ).
 

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I don't know any of you guys, just your posts on the internets, which makes your ethnicity a minor detail.

Yes, you do. Some of us have known you for years, and we have spoken at length. Being on the internet doesn't change that we are black.

That's enough for you to know we aren't stereotypes purported by movies, television, and the media.

Take every Disney movie ever, for example, they adapt an existing story (frequently shakespeare), and make changes to appeal to a different audience (children) but deliver essentially the same message. Over the years they have done this with varying degrees of success, but there have been successes.
Those weren't adaptations, they were retellings, just like the aforementioned films Tres brought up.
It looks to me that everyone is always so quick to jump on the racism bandwagon that you completely steamrolled Tres' actual point.
Where in the blue hell did you get racism from? That's not even what we're talking about any more. Jesus man. We're talking about the shitty nature of american adaptations of foreign properties( hell they couldn't even adapt an american property right). The racefail thing is a part of that, but the underlying point isn't about racism.

Also, I thought all of the X-men movies are fail. But when it comes to adapting comic books, I don't so much mind a few changes as long as the characters and spirit of story is the same. With comic books, there have been so many alternate dimensions, different universes and worlds with the same characters but different plots, stories and history that a film adaptation has the same leverage.
 
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I think Tres has already agreed with you that this movie will almost assuredly suck. It seems to me that what he is countering is your collective apparent point that an adaptation is impossible. That changing things while keeping the same message - especially if those changes change who the story appeals to - is essentially blasphemy.

It is impossible. Or rather, impossible in the sense that it is beyond the skill level of Hollywood and thus impossible practically. No. They can't adapt it into something worthwhile. Get real. Most Hollywood adaptions of films are at best mediocre, while generally piss poor. And honestly, I'm unsure what other message you could make with a statement on Japanese youth culture post WWII in fantasy, futuristic setting. There are some aspects of stories that are inherent to its telling. Some aspects that cannot be changed without destroying the fundamental root of said narrative.


His point is that such an adaption is entirely possible and not by definition offensive. That fact that this adaptation will suck isn't the point.

On that note, peace in the Middle East is possible too.


Take every Disney movie ever, for example, they adapt an existing story (frequently shakespeare), and make changes to appeal to a different audience (children) but deliver essentially the same message. Over the years they have done this with varying degrees of success, but there have been successes.

Simple fairy tales, fables, and bed time stories are nowhere near as detailed, fleshed out or insular as works of fiction that have already been created and ended. Comparing Snow White to V for Vendetta, for example is ridiculous. Simplistic stories lead themselves to adaptation. Works of media such as novels, OTHER movies, comic books, and video games, do not.

It looks to me that everyone is always so quick to jump on the racism bandwagon that you completely steamrolled Tres' actual point.

Calling a spade a spade steamrolled his point? lol, no. The fact we all disagreed steamrolled his point.
 

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Street Fighter: The History of Chun-Li,

As a literal lifelong Street Fighter fan, this movie literally offended me. On a personal level.

However if you can't look back and watch the old Street Fighter movie with Van Damme ("Are you man enough to fight with me") and Raul Julia ("OF COURSE") and have a good time, you have no soul.

That movie was so bad it's good. The Legend of Chun Li, however, was just insulting.

It looks to me that everyone is always so quick to jump on the racism bandwagon that you completely steamrolled Tres' actual point.

Calling a spade a spade steamrolled his point? lol, no.

lol

okay that was fucked up
 
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I only like the comedy in the old SF film, but I literally cannot watch that film, it is so bad.

I hate it tbh.
 

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that legend of chun li shit is an outright atrocity

it's like they didn't even try for their supposed "faithful adaptation"
 

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Why did you even watch it? Did you expect anything else? I haven't seen any of these moves (SF, Dragonball), nor do I intend to see this one.
 

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Because I have the idiotic opinion that most things deserve at least one chance
 

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Oh come on Dacon. I understand giving certain movies a chance. But one look at just the movie poster would have told you either of those would have sucked.
 

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I know man, a lot of these movies are gonna be terrible from first sight, it's just a bad habit.
 

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Even when dealing with a "live action version" of something we're dealing with a remake/adaptation. Even the film versions of "Watchmen" and "V for Vendetta" are adaptations, with some things emphasized, some downplayed, some omitted, some added, etc.
I don't except this (or any other film based on something else) to be an exact retelling. Akira is 6 books long, which is a bit much for 2 hours. You can do a lot more with a book or serialised media (comics/TV) than you can with film so there's bound to be some kind of change when adapting it.

That should be the assumption we take with anything like this. Did anyone really expect the "X-Men" movie to be an exact recreation of any particular comic or storyline?
But comic series like X-Men keep updating their characters and stories, whereas Akira has just the one version of the story with just the one version of the characters. So it'd be nice if they went with those :awesome:

And, again, if you want to say something poignant and speak to a different culture than before, while not always necessary, it doesn't not make sense to adapt the material to the other culture.
I agree with Mako on this. If something already has its own message, what's wrong with bringing that to the big screen? Should you be changing it because you want a different message?

I do get that what might have been revelant to present day Japan in the 80's might not be relevant to America today (or even Japan).

Then again, a large percentage of profits for films do come from foreign martkets, so maybe they should think what's poignant to the rest of the world :awesome: (and this is assuming they're even a message behind PG-13 Akira)
 
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