SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[abzy1200]

Whenever y'all mention this Margot person I get a mixed image of Live Action Harley Quinn and the girl from The Shadow in my head. So, deranged and screaming. Sound accurate at all?

They had quite a visceral reaction to a thread Shady made recently, so not too far off.

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Something else I'd like to mention is that in a recent interview with Cody Christian, he describes Cloud as "loveable" and "loyal".

So, if this is supposedly a jealous kiss, wouldn't that make Cloud simultaneously unloveable and disloyal? And the guy who's being paid to act the character is just lying? A real head-scratcher, I think.

To me, Cody saying that Cloud is loveable and loyal puts a metric ton of Clerith "arguments" six feet under: No, "I think I can meet her there" is not romantic in nature. No, Cloud does not lead Tifa on during the events of OTWTAS and Advent Children in favour of yearning for Aerith.

To still argue these points would be to argue that Cody is straight up lying.

Oh! And something else about Margot, if I remember correctly, she gave out to Cody after he posted something that Cleriths perceived as "pro-Cloti" from him...it was a meme about the "TIFAAAA!!" moment in Gongaga.

 

[Ryeleigh]

To add on to Aerith searching for Zack in Cloud, and that she is not over him before or during the events of ff7:

I saw it on Shady's thread and I was reminded of it's existenceView attachment 17008

In what world is this about Cloud? Sure, the last 4 probably are, but she's not speaking of him in the way she is about her feelings for Zack.

Yeah, I figured that Zack references end in 8 and Cloud references start in 9. Though, there are lines that are curious, mainly 2 and 3.

Also, considering how most people seem to straight-up ignore Zack's presence in Re-Trilogy in favour of, well, sort of hyperfocusing on CA moments, CA does kind of feel like a giant red herring. I mean, Aerith's ex-boyfriend is there, lol. He basically defied death and fate and is currently fighting to get back to her. The ex-boyfriend she kept seeing in her "new flame".

 

[ViolaaFox]

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damm they really don't like us here huh XD

Where did you even find this, haha?
I only know about the passive TLS hate from stories and it's mainly because this place is a "Cloti based forum" or something like that. Ah and there are a few tweets about certain members being toxic because they disagreed on nonesense.

i seem to have run into margot who was trying to tell me NPTK is a love song only for Cloud
only to then show them the many interviews we now have disproving it. They even made a cute little video cutting out certain parts
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I think I blocked her after the 2nd Tweet or so that made it in my TL... But yeah, the day the interview was released and the developers confirmed that NPTK was about multiple people, parts of the fandom had a bit of a mental breakdown. It was kind of block fest to me.

Yeah, I've butted heads with Margot a couple times, simultaneously miserable to speak to and a huge liar: "Cloud and Tifa can't have been in a relationship because Cloud never opened his heart to her"

Buddy, not only is there a quote addressing this exact thing, it also says that she's the only person he's opened his heart to.

I think she's the first person to spread the idea that "it's a jealous kiss", or one of the first. I remember I tried to take her up on it since it was basically my first time interacting with the "fandom".

Anyway, basically I said it was crazy to assume it was a jealous kiss, a completely unreasonable interpretation, simply put, the reply I got was "Real Cloud would never do this, you're an idiot if you think so, just because I said it's a jealous kiss doesn't mean I said it's within his character", I reply with: "If Cloud's actions during his SOLDIER persona don't represent his character, then what does that say for his moments with Aerith?"

...never got a reply, lmao.

Not to mention that most of these takes don't fit so well with the interviews or Ultimania. But hey, what do the devs know?

Yeah, I figured that Zack references end in 8 and Cloud references start in 9. Though, there are lines that are curious, mainly 2 and 3.

Also, considering how most people seem to straight-up ignore Zack's presence in Re-Trilogy in favour of, well, sort of hyperfocusing on CA moments, CA does kind of feel like a giant red herring. I mean, Aerith's ex-boyfriend is there, lol. He basically defied death and fate and is currently fighting to get back to her. The ex-boyfriend she kept seeing in her "new flame".

Also the entire date in chapter 14 is a whole Zack reference.

 

[Sacky]

They had quite a visceral reaction to a thread Shady made recently, so not too far off.

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Something else I'd like to mention is that in a recent interview with Cody Christian, he describes Cloud as "loveable" and "loyal".

So, if this is supposedly a jealous kiss, wouldn't that make Cloud simultaneously unloveable and disloyal? And the guy who's being paid to act the character is just lying? A real head-scratcher, I think.

To me, Cody saying that Cloud is loveable and loyal puts a metric ton of Clerith "arguments" six feet under: No, "I think I can meet her there" is not romantic in nature. No, Cloud does not lead Tifa on during the events of OTWTAS and Advent Children in favour of yearning for Aerith.

To still argue these points would be to argue that Cody is straight up lying.

Oh! And something else about Margot, if I remember correctly, she gave out to Cody after he posted something that Cleriths perceived as "pro-Cloti" from him...it was a meme about the "TIFAAAA!!" moment in Gongaga.

That's what the comment is a post on a repost I made. I just sent them a picture of Cloud saying you have been weird all day and they haven't replied but sure are subtweeting about the thread being shady claiming to be a lore master. When he said take this with a grain of salt XD

 

[Yoru]

Oh! And something else about Margot, if I remember correctly, she gave out to Cody after he posted something that Cleriths perceived as "pro-Cloti" from him...it was a meme about the "TIFAAAA!!" moment in Gongaga.

If I remember correctly, it was they who unleashed Cody's legendary TedTalk.

Imagine being so delulu and unbearable that you get the official voice actor to confess without too much ambiguity that your ship has never been to sea...

It should have been the trigger to return to reality. But looking at your screen, it apparently wasn't enough. Rather telling about the initial intention of this kind of person.

Clout reaching and spreading nonsense like any other conspiracy theorist -> In the block list you go.

 

[abzy1200]

If I remember correctly, it was they who unleashed Cody's legendary TedTalk.

Yes, it was. I don't think what he said was in reply to them directly, though.

Not to mention that most of these takes don't fit so well with the interviews or Ultimania. But hey, what do the devs know?

What's new? They never have.

Also, considering how most people seem to straight-up ignore Zack's presence in Re-Trilogy in favour of, well, sort of hyperfocusing on CA moments, CA does kind of feel like a giant red herring. I mean, Aerith's ex-boyfriend is there, lol. He basically defied death and fate and is currently fighting to get back to her. The ex-boyfriend she kept seeing in her "new flame".

Like I've always said: Zack is doing for Aerith right now what Cleriths have been begging Cloud to do for nearly 3 decades at this point.

 

[ViolaaFox]

If I remember correctly, it was they who unleashed Cody's legendary TedTalk.

Imagine being so delulu and unbearable that you get the official voice actor to confess without too much ambiguity that your ship has never been to sea...

It should have been the trigger to return to reality. But looking at your screen, it apparently wasn't enough. Rather telling about the initial intention of this kind of person.

Clout reaching and spreading nonsense like any other conspiracy theorist -> In the block list you go.

Yup, that was Margot. It's possible that this was also the tweet that lead me to block that account. To even bother a VA with this disrespect was too much. I'm glad that Cody spoke up against this kind of behavior.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Yup, that was Margot. It's possible that this was also the tweet that lead me to block that account. To even bother a VA with this disrespect was too much. I'm glad that Cody spoke up against this kind of behavior.

Bugging VAs about shipping stuff will always get an oof from me, regardless the ship or if it’s canon or not.

The writer/author makes more sense because that’s how you can find neat trivia about how/why they went a certain direction over others… but if it’s a “why didn’t you validate my ship” type question then it’s to the oof bin with thee

 

[abzy1200]

@Ryushikaze, there's a certain translation that I'm curious about, and I would be thankful if you could help clear up my confusion here:



So, is this translation correct? I see it circulate twitter a lot, but I've seen two different versions of it, one is the one I've posted here, which is seemingly referring to Tifa, or atleast used to refer to her.

But I've also seen translations that refer to Aerith/Zack here, or at least I think I have.

So, I'm just wondering what this actually says, thanks.

 

[Eerie]

How can he protect Zack and Aerith, they're already dead. Of course Nojima is referring to Tifa and the kids there.

Edit: and Tifa is referred to by name too, I see her name in Japanese. I'm utterly confused lol.

 

[abzy1200]

How can he protect Zack and Aerith, they're already dead. Of course Nojima is referring to Tifa and the kids there.

hmmm, now that I think about it I might have been confused on whether or not it said "his important person" or "those important to him", probably the latter.

 

[Yoru]

@Ryushikaze, there's a certain translation that I'm curious about, and I would be thankful if you could help clear up my confusion here:

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So, is this translation correct? I see it circulate twitter a lot, but I've seen two different versions of it, one is the one I've posted here, which is seemingly referring to Tifa, or atleast used to refer to her.

But I've also seen translations that refer to Aerith/Zack here, or at least I think I have.

So, I'm just wondering what this actually says, thanks.

If you want to share it for people to translate :

クラウドはもともと決してカラ ッとした性格でもないし、ティファと 暮らし始めて仕事も始めたんだ けど、今まで体験したことのない平 和な暮らしを手に入れて、逆に不安 になったんです。そんな中で自分も 星痕症候群 にかかってしまい、大 事な人を守るどころか、自分が死に 直面しなければならなくなり、逃げ 出したと。

Romaji: kura udo wa motomoto kesshite kara tu to shita seikaku de mo naishi, tifa to kurashihajimete shigoto mo hajimeta ndakedo, ima made taiken shita koto no nai hira wana kurashi o te ni irete, gyaku ni fuan ni natta ndesu. sonna naka de jibun mo hoshikon shōkōgun " ni kakatteshimai, dai kotona hito o mamorudokoroka, jibun ga shini chokumen shinakerebanaranaku nari, nigedashita to.

The english translation seems faithful. Cloud never had a bright personality, he started to live with Tifa and work. It was a peaceful life, something he never really experienced and started to feel anxious. Then he contracted geostigma. He had to face death and chose to run away instead of protecting the people he cared about (They're not named, but it's obviously Denzel/Marlene/Tifa as told in ACC. He wanted to protect and cure Denzel, but he ran away when he got sick too)

 

[pxl_pushr]

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If you want to share it for people to translate :

クラウドはもともと決してカラ
ッとした性格でもないし、ティファと 暮らし始めて仕事も始めたんだ けど、今まで体験したことのない平 和な暮らしを手に入れて、逆に不安 になったんです。そんな中で自分も 星痕症候群 にかかってしまい、大 事な人を守るどころか、自分が死に 直面しなければならなくなり、逃げ 出したと。

Romaji: kura udo wa motomoto kesshite kara tu to shita seikaku de mo naishi, tifa to kurashihajimete shigoto mo hajimeta ndakedo, ima made taiken shita koto no nai hira wana kurashi o te ni irete, gyaku ni fuan ni natta ndesu. sonna naka de jibun mo hoshikon shōkōgun " ni kakatteshimai, dai kotona hito o mamorudokoroka, jibun ga shini chokumen shinakerebanaranaku nari, nigedashita to.

The english translation seems faithful. Cloud never had a bright personality, he started to live with Tifa and work. It was a peaceful life, something he never really experienced and started to feel anxious. Then he contracted geostigma. He had to face death and chose to run away instead of protecting the people he cared about (They're not named, but it's obviously Denzel/Marlene/Tifa as told in ACC. He wanted to protect and cure Denzel, but he ran away when he got sick too)

double checked my understanding of “candid personality” and it’s basically the opposite of Cloud, especially when he’s curled inwardly during an emotionally charged situation such as depression.

Cloud has a bad habit of suffering in silence and even when he does speak, he’s frustratingly vague/deflective because he doesn’t want his baggage to impact others… and that’s counterintuitive to a committed relationship where the other party is very interested in your thoughts/emotions.

What frustrates me though… is that Cloud doesn’t behave like that in the original game after he’s put back together again. He’s clumsy with his expressions, but he does express himself. Enlightened Cloud, I like to call him.

 

[Yoru]

What frustrates me though… is that Cloud doesn’t behave like that in the original game after he’s put back together again. He’s clumsy with his expressions, but he does express himself. Enlightened Cloud, I like to call him.

That's why I never liked the Cloud in CoT or AC. For me, he's not at all the character I knew in FF7. And I don't know where they got the idea that the only memory people have of Cloud is this “tortured” person.

Once again, it makes sense to lose hope because you're trying to protect a sick child, you can't find a solution and you start to doubt yourself all over again, until you break down completely when the disease hits you too.

But dodging Tifa? Afraid to tell her that you've been to Aerith's graves in the same way that you go to see your mistress or ex? That's just poor drama I'm sorry.

 

[Yoru]

I double checked my understanding of “candid personality” and it’s basically the opposite of Cloud, especially when he’s curled inwardly during an emotionally charged situation such as depression.

I think the idea is rather something “colorful”, which is why I used “bright” in my quick translation. He's not extroverted, nor optimistic by nature. Having a happy, peaceful life is therefore new to him, and he feels anxious. “Too good to be true” is his state of mind. I think that's what Nojima is telling.

 

[pxl_pushr]

I think the idea is rather something “colorful”, which is why I used “bright” in my quick translation. He's not extroverted, nor optimistic by nature. Having a happy, peaceful life is therefore new to him, and he feels anxious. “Too good to be true” is his state of mind. I think that's what Nojima is telling.

Which I like if you pair it with Elmyra’s words to him about SOLDIERs giving up a normal life in exchange for power.

But yeah, Cloud regressing to 9-year old Cloud ain’t it.

 

[eleamaya]

Even if that’s the case, Aerith is inherently insulated from it because the Turks act as her security detail. Far enough away to be ignored, but close enough to swat danger away from her.

I think she even refers to it as a cage herself, just big enough she can ignore it if she tries, but it is still there.

I wonder if they knew Turks are her real bodyguard. Do they read TOTP? Do they play Ever Crisis?
To them, her bodyguard is Cloud only, even though he fail that job.

Like I've always said: Zack is doing for Aerith right now what Cleriths have been begging Cloud to do for nearly 3 decades at this point.

They just ship Aerith with blonde Zack lol. This is why I dont always mock Cali's crazy prediction because it can be turned to Zerith.

Clerith Week is always held during April-May because they say it's "april shower bring may flower" theme? Zerith canonically met at springs.
They celebrate Clerith's Wedding Anniversary based on Airborne Brigade 2017 June Bride event? Zerith is the official chained pair.
They say Hojo ship Clerith? I bet Hojo would prefer Zack if he knew one of their 1st class SOLDIER has relationship with the Cetra.
They say about Clerith's blue alien baby? Wait for Zerith live in another universe separated from the main one and make baby there please.
They say the Gongaga's baby weapons represent Cloud & Aerith? Wait for Zack & Aerith's role under lifestream at the time of weapons uproar to surface maybe. Btw, Nojima said Zack's role is tied to how Planet work, not to hook up his beloved to his best friend.

etc.

 

[abzy1200]

They celebrate Clerith's Wedding Anniversary based on Airborne Brigade 2017 June Bride event? Zerith is the official chained pair.

Are you talking about the mobile game? Cause I swear that's got a Cloti one aswell, no?

Unless it's fake.

Is this the Zerith one you're talking about?

 

[Yoru]

They just ship Aerith with blonde Zack lol.

"Zack doesn't deserve Aerith. He's just a womanizer"

writes a thread to describe how Cloud is a womanizer and that everything is a build up to show that he is Aerith's soul mate

 

[eleamaya]

Are you talking about the mobile game? Cause I swear that's got a Cloti one aswell, no?

Unless it's fake.
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Is this the Zerith one you're talking about?

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Nope, this one. Your picture is from 2019

 

[abzy1200]

So, what exactly is the situation with these events? Cloud and Aerith had a wedding event in 2017 but it wasn't the main one being featured, is that it?

and then what's the situation with the Cloti one? was that just a once off? did that happen more than once?

 

[Ryeleigh]

So, what exactly is the situation with these events? Cloud and Aerith had a wedding event in 2017 but it wasn't the main one being featured, is that it?

and then what's the situation with the Cloti one? was that just a once off? did that happen more than once?

I thought CA didn't have a wedding event and it was photoshopped? XD

 

[abzy1200]

I thought CA didn't have a wedding event and it was photoshopped? XD

I should've known better by now.

I'd seen that artstyle before in another game(?) that had events that were kinda like this situation, which is why I thought it was real.

 

[eleamaya]

I thought CA didn't have a wedding event and it was photoshopped? XD

I think the Cloti one is a photoshop, too. In the image of Cloud cutting the cake, there's no shadow under Tifa's feet.

I may be wrong so please correct me, I dont play that mobile game.

 

[Ryeleigh]

I think the Cloti one is a photoshop, too. In the image of Cloud cutting the cake, there's no shadow under Tifa's feet.

I may be wrong, I dont play that mobile game.

Considering how much people lie about silly stuff like this as if it'll change the narrative in the main games, maybe they're all photoshopped. XD