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No! Cloud got infected when he was away from Tifa. Therefore it was the LACK OF TIFA that caused him to fall victim to Geostigma! Seriously, though, is someone actually saying that? How the heck would Tifa have caused his Geostigma?

The only thing here is that Tifa's mother's death wasn't the thing that brought her to hate Shinra. It was her father's brutal murder, her friends' and the destruction of the entire town, and those happened when she was 15. So, yes, I think their ages did have quite a bit to do with it.

The first time she mentioned it, I was a bit puzzled as to why she'd feel the need to bring up the subject of her first love to the new guy she was very obviously interested in and it made me aware that there may be something deeper at work here. The other times she mentioned it only served to...

I've been seeing those arguments around since AC came out, though perhaps they might be used more now since there's nothing else to counter the story with.

Ah, but you see, in the script written by the Cleriths, Cloud left the family to be with Aerith. And while leaving his family to romance a dead woman like that would normally be the act of a despicable asshole, we must remember that it is still an act of true love. And Aerith, knowing this, will...

She's running her own business and she's got two kids, who are certainly hurting just as much as she is, to raise. I think she just didn't see herself as someone who had the luxury of taking time out to cry herself a river.

Deliberate ignorance, stubbornly and determinedly applied. Likely they already know the canon's not going their way, but they'll try their level best to reject the canon or muddy its conclusions using any excuse they can think of to create a gray area, and then insert their interpretations.

Out of curiousity -- and I forget if it's been asked and answered before -- did any of the Ultimanias ever say which of the three was Don Corneo's choice? Or was that one of those things that was left entirely up in the air? EDIT: To those celebrating and to those who aren't, Happy New Year...

I think that's a weird thing to ask for. I do see this matter as Cloud's choice more than the developers'. Sure, they wrote Cloud to be the character he is, and his feelings, thoughts are due to how his story unfolds and how the developers themselves perceive and shape his character. But there...

Half canon, since Cloud would be the only douche in the relationship. On the other hand, Clerith would be wholly canon because both Cloud and Aerith have to be douches in order for the pairing to become reality.

Heck, some Cleriths might even start to argue that true love means being able to love someone despite his obvious douchery.

You mean their credibility somehow managed to survive the monkeys, the koi-that-might-not-be-a-koi, the claims of 'high affection Highwind scene means rejection', and koi bito? I thought 'man stealing whore' was Tifa's role.

True love is blind. But, seriously, would Aerith actually want to subject herself to be with someone like that?

And though he can't stand to be with Tifa, this Cloud will stay with her simply because it's convenient for him; she'll cook, clean and make sure he's got a roof over his head. Plus he's got her paying for his motorbike by giving free food for life to whoever it was that sold it to him. This...

I don't think so. But don't be surprised. This is Clerith Cloud we're talking about.

"Brick Windows" by Ministry.

Loved NWN2 and KotOR2, so chalk me up as one who's eagerly awaiting New Vegas' arrival. Just mentioning the name 'Obsidian' is enough for me to want to get the game. Now if only Troika were still around...

I'm not sure which is more amusing: The ones who keep shifting their goalposts (going from "If Cloud and Tifa are truly in love, they'd have had sex," to "Just because they've had sex, it doesn't mean that they're in love"); Or the ones who keep their goalposts in exactly the same place but...

No, Aerith is the flower. And the ribbon. And lens flare, rain, monkey, twinkle in Cloud's eye...

Sure, there's plenty of those everywhere. I've even seen some patients behaving like that: "This is MY body, I'm the one who's paying you, you're just a glorified mechanic, so when I say that I'm sick and I need surgery you'd better damned well operate!"