Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
I know I'm double posting, but it's been a while... :P

Seriously, though, with how Bhunivelze's award is entitled "Very Rare" and with the ambiguity that surrounding him and the (let's face it, it's true) entire story's plot (unless it's just saving souls, but you've got to be kidding me if you think I'm believing that), I am also wondering if we're not supposed to win the game.

In otherwords, in the end, everyone's dead, life passes, and the only one(s) left are Bhunivelze (and the fal'Cie.) Also, whatever life not human that escaped the chaos or who Bhunivelze actually really saved. Bhunivelze was returning the cosmos to how it was before the fal'Cie, before he went to sleep.
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
So... thinking more. Does anyone know if anyone associated with the the story of FFII (not just the game, but also the novel that based off the game) is involved with LR? Reason why I ask is because I can see major character plot connections between the Emperor and Bhunivelze.


  • The Emperor and Bhunivelze both got rid of their mothers - except the Emperor did not kill his, while Bhunivelze did (or had it done for him.) The Emperor banished his mother.
  • Both the Emperor and Bhunivelze seem to have issues with female family members - not just the mother as already spoken about, but also (possible)sister/(definite)daughter. While it's not stated specifically how, Leila in II was in some way connected to the Emperor's mother, and Paul was the one who saved a princess from her imprisonment by a past Emperor; Bhunivelze had issues with his daughter and condemned her to a life without purpose or power, in which was only pervertedly freed from by committing suicide due to her wish to attract attention from Bhunivelze (and in which Mwynn corrected, be it purposely or the fact that Etro was the only one who reached her in time.)
I thought I had more, but I don't - or I can't think of them right now. I wonder if it would be safe to say that Bhunivelze is a selfish prick. If II's Emperor is any sign to Bhunivelze... I think it probably is.


But then, I was also further thinking: Perhaps Bhunivelze and Lindzei are at odds, and LR is really a chess game between the god and his youngest? For me, to me, that would say Lumina is Lindzei.


In XIII-2 we are given the crystal fragment named "Lindzei's Desire." Thinking on it, it would make sense if humanity was created to solve the problem of continuity for a fal'Cie. In other words, I don't think Lindzei wished to live and then die for Bhunivelze's sake - because it would be as if nothing of the fal'Cie (or at least him/her) never existed, never mattered, never did anything. (Also, I feel for Lindzei, and wonder if Lindzei also thought: The only reason why s/he lives is because Bhunivelze was not pleased with Etro's appearance. S/he lives because of a mistake, and that is all. How heavy a thing to know?)



Humans were created to be separate, to live on, as fal'Cie have purpose, but do not die (for as long as their duties are needing attention), humans have no purpose other than to live, and then to die, to live again. If the fal'Cie are all connected as I am thinking, and if one dies (meaning the parent fal'Cie (Pulse and/or Lindzei), they all die. As if they were never truly separate from their parent fal'Cie. Yet, they are living creatures, with their own personalities.


This leads me to Barthandelus and the Cocoon fal'Cie. I feel that they knew things that perhaps Lindzei did not mean for them to know. And this ruined them. Sadly, with what I just said, if Lindzei was thinking more about fal'Cie in whole, not just his/her own self, with wanting to die, Barthandelus gave humanity a bad taste of fal'Cie. Still, I can't help but thinking Barthandelus and the other Cocoon fal'Cie knew things that just were unbearable to know. Stuck in their nature, having to do their duties, as I said before, the only way out was death.


Back to a possible Lightning Returns plot: Lightning is really a bit player in a larger struggle. Lindzei is trying to save humans, and in so save himself/herself. Bhunivelze is trying to reign in a wayward fal'Cie (which would also speak volumes to me as to why Lindzei did not interfere with Barthandelus' plan) and deal with the "mess" created. Humans are of no consequence; at least, not many if any.


I don't buy this "I can't make humans" statement that Toriyama, et al. claimed Bhunivelze is supposed to have been working under.




... Okay, enough. I'm tired and I don't know if I'm making sense ...


PS: Can you tell I'm excited again. :P
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
A look at some rejected logos for the game:

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Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/04/final-fantasy-xiii-project-originally-called-colors-world/
 

Blade

That Man
AKA
Darkside-Ky/Mimeblade
There's a saying "Running on Buddha's Palm".

Methinks Lightning will be doing this for Bhunivelze
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
The ones on the left are not bad, only because they look like they are suppose to be the two Cocoons. The one in the middle looks like a highschooler did them.
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
Well,
Cid Raines
will be making an appearance.

Famitsu gave the game a 47 out of 50, too.

(Thanks to Nova Crystallis for this information.)
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
Famitsu gave FFXIII-2 a perfect score last time, didn't it? While I liked XIII-2 it's really hard to take them face value. But I suppose gaming journalism is a lot like that across the board, it's about finding the one reviewer that has your same tastes.

That said, it was given a score less than XIII-2. By two points. I don't think I know their scoring pattern to know if that even means anything.

*mumblegrumblegamingjournalism*
 

Mwynn

Tenderness
For me it means LR will be the best game in the XIII series.

Idk, they gave P4G a 35 and I just.

Whatever, numbered scores mean nothing to me lol.

Famitsu reviewers stated that the game was hard even on Easy Mode and that's really good.
 

Hisako

消えないひさ&#
AKA
Satsu, BRIAN BLESSED, MIGHTY AND WISE Junpei Iori: Ace Detective, Maccaffrickstonson von Lichtenstafford Frabenschnaben, Polite Krogan, Robert Baratheon
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/13/nora-wont-return-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/

"This game takes place far into the future after the events of Final Fantasy XIII-2 (500 years after the events of Final Fantasy XIII-2, to be precise), and so unfortunately members of NORA will not make an appearance," producer Yoshinori Kitase said to Siliconera. "But, there may be tidbits that pertain to various sub-characters hidden within the episodes of the various side quests."

Cites time skip as reason for not bringing NORA back in
Brings a whole bunch of other characters back in, including ones dead since the events of the first game

/wat
 

Mwynn

Tenderness
Well

I guess because unlike Team NORA who were normal humans, Cid's existence was more special because he was a Lindzei l'Cie. Not to mention he was able to control himself in cieth form..
 

Hisako

消えないひさ&#
AKA
Satsu, BRIAN BLESSED, MIGHTY AND WISE Junpei Iori: Ace Detective, Maccaffrickstonson von Lichtenstafford Frabenschnaben, Polite Krogan, Robert Baratheon
I'm sure there's a perfectly legitimate reason for it, I just think it's much less ironic than "It's been 500 years in the plot so we can't do dat" :monster:
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
For me it means LR will be the best game in the XIII series.

Idk, they gave P4G a 35 and I just.

Whatever, numbered scores mean nothing to me lol.

Famitsu reviewers stated that the game was hard even on Easy Mode and that's really good.

I've been debating whether or not I wanted to do on easy mode or hard mode. Normally for the XIII series I'd skip straight to hard mode, but considering that the element that is punished is actually time in game, I'm not sure if I want to go that route.
 

Lex

Administrator
That looks like one of Orphan's forms, or as I read somewhere "it appears like that because that's the way Dysley envisions Linzei" - so I'd have to say yes yes yes yes yes!
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
*Ahem*

TRANSLATIONS!!!

*Cough*

Please. Thank you.

I want my fal'Cie... :'(

Also, Team NORA... :puppy:
 

Mwynn

Tenderness
Yeah, no doubt it's Bhuni. Even he is a pretty boy.

Should we make a new spoiler thread? Anyway, more Famitsu translations and scans via NovaCrystallis (I'll only put the translations below) :

Characters

Lightning: As the Savior, Lightning is tasked with guiding all souls to the new world prepared by Bhunivelze. However, with growing suspicion over her master and his divine plan, Lightning soon finds herself wanting to save the dying world instead. But this desire goes against the will of Bhunivelze. Is Lightning prepared to go up against a god…
Bhunivelze: The mythological god who defeated his mother to gain control over the world. He calls upon Lightning and guides her fate. However, he will also be the one to deceive and sever her.
Cid Raines: The dead have chosen Cid Raines to be their advocate, and through their strong will, he appears once again before Lightning with a request.
Lumina: Lumina appears throughout the story, helping and hindering Lightning. But what is this mysterious girl’s true wish? Why does she resemble Serah so much? With tears streaming down her face, Lumina cries, “Please don’t leave me alone…”
Snow: After 500 hundred years of despair, Snow seems to be showing a glimpse of his former self. Has he finally returned to the heated Snow we know and love!?
Hope: Similar to Lightning, Hope has also been robbed of emotion. In this scene, a bit of that stolen emotion has returned. But is he expressing relief or sorrow?
Sazh, Vanille, and Fang have conflicts of their own that only Lightning can solve. Yeul’s wish may have something to do with Noel and Caius.

Developer Interviews

Director, Toriyama Motomu: The story of Lightning, which began with “FFXIII”, is finally coming to a close. With this being the first trilogy in the Final Fantasy Series, we have indeed walked a long road with her. Personally, I kind of feel like a father walking his beloved daughter down the flowery aisle – it’s both happy but also lonely to see her go. In this final game, players will have the opportunity to create their very own Lightning. Outfits have a wide variety of options, ranging from a beautiful wedding-like dress to a sharp suit. We hope you will enjoy the many different sides of Lightning. Let us celebrate the grand finale of Lightning and the “FFXIII” trilogy together.
Producer, Kitase Yoshinori: As Lightning’s journey reaches an end, we hope all the fans will enjoy it together with the new social applications we have developed. Please use them to share battling hints, thoughts on the story, and such. Of course, these can be posted through popular networks like Twitter and Facebook, as well as within the game exclusively. It’s the last big festival before the new generation consoles! Let us all purchase the game on its release day and raise the excitement!
Game Design Director, Abe Yuuji: In this installment, players are free to enjoy whatever they please without much worry over the main plot. Lately, games have been strictly divided into the “JRPG” and “Western RPG” categories. However, I believe this installment is a well-balanced mix between the two. Also, I personally recommend taking the game nice and slow. And after completing it once, please replay the game a second and even a third time because there will still be many things to find and do. I would be especially happy if players went through EASY mode first and just enjoyed the world before them.
Art Director, Kamikokuryou Isamu: The long journey with Lightning and her friends will end with this final installment. The world has many new cities and locations, and I highly recommend all players to use the map while exploring. Even in reality, a person who is merely scrambling around for the correct path and a person who has predetermined their destination on a map can have very different views of the same scenery. In this game, time is essential and players must learn how to use it well. The map will prevent you from becoming terribly lost and wasting precious time. It really feels like you are on an actual quest! I believe the map will be a strong help on your journey. But of course, it’s sometimes fun to get lost and run around too!
Character Design, Nomura Tetsuya: I remember feeling a strong reaction within myself when I first sketched Lightning. I really felt like a great character had just been born. I hardly feel such powerful impressions. I desired for her to be carefully developed and loved for a long time, like Cloud. And look at her now after eight years! But I want people to remember and love her for five, even ten more years. I believe she has what it takes to stay in people’s hearts. With this game, Lightning’s long fight will finally come to a close. To me, it kind of feels like my daughter is finally coming home after many years away. I would like to thank everyone for enjoying this series and I hope Lightning will continue to be remembered.
 

Arianna

Holy, Personified
AKA
Katie; Seta.
After looking at the image again, Its Bhuni. :wallbanger::(:rage:

Another possibility: His staff has faces. The female face is, I think, is the top of the staff. Which makes me wonder if Pulse is the bottom face...??? Then again, it could be Bhunivelze (as well). (Which if correct, further fuels my thinking that Barthandelus knew things he wasn't supposed to/shouldn't have.)

Speaking of which, Bhunivelze's staff seems to have a "Beauty and the Beast" type of symbolism. That could represent his Yin-Yang nature. Let's remember, he didn't want anything to die - this is before humans, before the fal'Cie. I don't think his intentions are truly completely dark; just dark for humanity and the fal'Cie, because they were never in the original universe.

I desired for her to be carefully developed and loved for a long time, like Cloud.

I'm sorry, but every time Cloud is mentioned by Nomura, I laugh. Poor Cloud. :D
 
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Fangu

Great Old One
Yeul’s wish may have something to do with Noel and Caius.
That's hot. :desu:

Also did someone post the new Lightning render yet? Edit: Guess not, so
Scan-1.jpg

Sauce: novacrystallis.com
 
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