The Twilight Mexican
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- TresDias
I don't know. Her Crisis Core model is pretty well-endowed for a 15 year old. Not that it doesn't happen. Just seems to me like the developers weren't exactly exercising restraint with her there.
An off-shoot from the cancelled FFVII web series?
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Wolfhart
embraces her dreams
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- Monik XIII
Well, not sure if it's better but at least it's different!
Gym Leader Devil
True Master of the Dark-type (suck it Piers)
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Happily.
Shademp
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I'm getting a sort of "Dark-Knight-Christopher-Nolan"-vibe from these videos. The videos aim to make the FFVII world feel more real to us. On one hand, it works great. The Tseng video made me feel close to the world and it makes sense to scrap Zangan's red cape in the Tifa video. On the other hand, this won't work in the long run. Characters like Cloud and Sephiroth are, by character design and fighting styles, ridiculous and beyond any vibe of what could be real.
From the style of these videos, I can't see a character glowing or throwing energy balls when using limit breaks or magic. These fantastical elements are essential to the FFVII-feel, but I am convinced that if a magical element appears in one of these videos, it will clash with the sense of realism expressed so far.
But because this is a privately funded matter, I doubt we'll see magic effects. If we do, then the low-budget will be clearly visible and we'll still be jaded. In my opinion, all we should get is a few more videos just to see more of this concept, then have it officially end.
From the style of these videos, I can't see a character glowing or throwing energy balls when using limit breaks or magic. These fantastical elements are essential to the FFVII-feel, but I am convinced that if a magical element appears in one of these videos, it will clash with the sense of realism expressed so far.
But because this is a privately funded matter, I doubt we'll see magic effects. If we do, then the low-budget will be clearly visible and we'll still be jaded. In my opinion, all we should get is a few more videos just to see more of this concept, then have it officially end.
Riruka
Rookie Adventurer
I agree that having too much fire-blasting and limit-breaking would look ridiculous given the tone they have going, but having a little here and there might work as long as they ground the magic mechanics in a way that better reflects reality. They might be able to get away with materia and stuff if they frame it as more SCIENCE! and less MAGIC! Or if only SOLDIERs were given materia and it was scarce elsewhere. Normal citizens shooting fireballs = bad news for the establishment.
I also found it odd that Tifa was fighting with a robot, but not that she told Zangan about Cloud. She presumably trained with Zangan on a regular basis and it was bound to come out at some point.
I also found it odd that Tifa was fighting with a robot, but not that she told Zangan about Cloud. She presumably trained with Zangan on a regular basis and it was bound to come out at some point.
Alex Strife
Ex-SOLDIER
Told you. It gets old.
Not dismissing their work. To each their own, but I honestly thought the first videos were kind of like "advertising" some project they had. Seeing it's not the case and they only go on with these videos... I've lost interest, sorry.
Not dismissing their work. To each their own, but I honestly thought the first videos were kind of like "advertising" some project they had. Seeing it's not the case and they only go on with these videos... I've lost interest, sorry.
The Twilight Mexican
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- TresDias
I'm with you guys. Disappointing that there apparently is no chase to be cut to.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
I thought this is explicitly what they were doing because they weren't allowed to get funding for the whole thing. Were they ever building towards something after the kickstarter got shut down?
And I thought summoning Ifrit was kinda cool.
And I thought summoning Ifrit was kinda cool.
LicoriceAllsorts
Donator
Yeah, but... summons don't kill their summoners. Unless that shrieking at the end was not, as I assumed, Dr William Morris screaming in agony as he met his richly-merited fiery end (serve him right for a) tampering with nature and b) working for Shinra), but merely his gleeful laughter.
His acting wasn't a patch on Tseng's.
His acting wasn't a patch on Tseng's.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
I figured it was just because he didn't know what he was doing?
S and G
FFVII books and stuff
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The production team plan to do 12-15 of these 'teasers' before starting on the real thing.
Alex Strife
Ex-SOLDIER
If true, that's a bit more interesting.
Roger
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- Minato
What exactly was Tifa whining about? Cloud said he'd be gone a long time. It's only been two years.
Anyway other then their portrayal of Wedge (hopefully this is very early days and he mans up a little in subsequent depictions) I like what I've seen so far. I do hope they don't hold back on portraying Cloud is a one-man army.
Anyway other then their portrayal of Wedge (hopefully this is very early days and he mans up a little in subsequent depictions) I like what I've seen so far. I do hope they don't hold back on portraying Cloud is a one-man army.
S and G
FFVII books and stuff
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Hi folks, sorry to go back to an earlier part of the thread, but I have only just stumbled upon this conversation regarding the "bad blood" between the two productions (I am Mo btw, as referenced by Lex). Given that I was part of everything that went on, I think I owe it to everyone to have a better idea so that you can make up your own minds.
Below is the convo in question, edited slightly so that only the relevant points are included:
Basically a couple of months after our project began to build momentum, there appeared a competitive Facebook page which took us all by surprise. As to be expected, the initial reaction by many was that this rival project (Roth Rind Productions) was trying to hitch a ride on our coattails. We felt it was too much of a coincidence that two web series had been put into production at the same time.
In early 2013, our fan base on Facebook was around 12,000 (bear in mind that it had been over 10,000 before we even came together) in comparison to their meagre 30. In addition, our proof of concept trailer had amassed more than half a million hits on YouTube (again, prior to our team forming) while they had no footage of any sort. Originally it was not a big deal, more of a bone of contention for one particular influential individual who had taken the matter very personally, and a number of snide jokes were made at Mr. Rind's expense. I will hold my hands up and say that, regrettably, I did participate in some of these and will take responsibility for that.
However, things changed when a renowned artist we had been pursuing was hired by Roth Rind Productions. Suddenly, the "bad blood" ascended to a new level because they had denied us talent we believed would have been a huge asset to us. Our producer made his displeasure known in a number of unprofessional ways, including bad mouthing Mr. Rind to said artist during a formal meeting. As expected from a professional, the artist declined to comment on the matter. The producer soon after notified the team that Mr. Rind had contacted him to propose joining forces because he could offer years of industry experience. Laughing off the possibility, our producer didn't reply to him.
To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Rind at no time approached any member of our team before or during their association with our project.
Admittedly, Roth Rind Productions were an unknown entity, and those of us at management level were uncomfortable with the idea of sharing our ideas (screenplay, artwork, direction, etc) with what had already been established as a rival in our view. Every time the 'other' web series made a post on their Facebook page, our producer would make a big song and dance about it, stirring up more negativity. I left the project months before the ultimately-destructive Kickstarter fundraiser was launched and thus have no access to any online correspondence as it was denied to me within minutes of my departure. Any of my former colleagues who may still have access to that will be able to confirm that my public stance on the matter was the following:
Neither party own the intellectual property of Final fantasy VII. If Roth Rind Productions has the resources to make a web series, we cannot stop them. If they do not have the resources, there is no threat. Either way, why concern ourselves with it?
EDIT- In the interest of fairness to support Prince Lex's comments and to ensure that blame is not all placed at one person's door, I have added the following paragraph:
During the first quarter of 2013, there was an increase in "bad blood" as a result of online comments made directly by Mr. Rind and/or his affiliates on our Facebook fan page or indirectly via his own page. While I acknowledge more examples exist, I will give two which come to mind. First, Mr. Rind made reference to "cartoon characters" in a status which we felt was a specific criticism of our proof-of-concept trailer. Secondly, I can remember at least one occasion when he passed comment on our promotional material in what felt like an antagonistic manner. Our producer used this as justification to ban Mr. Rind. I cannot recall any direct argument or exchange with Mr. Rind in that public forum, but that is not to say it did not take place. One thing to consider, however, is that people are entitled to their opinions and to tolerate everyone but him suggests that we made Mr. Rind's criticism special, not him. To summarise, in my opinion, neither party can claim not to have antagonised the other. I also will not absolve myself of any wrongdoing and will gladly apologise to any individual who I may have offended.
While I do not wish to get into a war of words with any former colleagues, what I will say is that Tres' and Ite's respective quotes of "Near as I can tell, "lots of douchery" and "stupid" summarizes the entire history of the failed Web Series" and "In addition, there were many people on the *other* Web Series who were interested in a vanity project, and that is in my opinion the singular reason the project is not moving forward" sum up my views on the matter perfectly.
The biggest problem that has arisen is the same as the one I have pointed out in other threads which is that a despicable level of misinformation and downright lies has been fed out by certain members of our web series for reasons known only to them. This has in turn influenced the opinions of TLS-based web series members and subsequently influenced the opinions of the members of TLS. Please note at this point that I am not referring to any TLS member, but individuals from outside the community.
I would also like to point out that I am in regular correspondence with Mr. Rind because I am in interested in his project. I am not an employee or contractor and am not affiliated with him in any way but to occasionally consult on background story elements of the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII. I have even opened up channels of correspondence between Mr. Rind and former colleagues so that they may continue their work on another web series if they so choose. I have nothing to gain from his production and can therefore tell you this without bias. What I will say is that our personal interactions have shown him to be nothing other than polite, respectful and professional.
Please let me state as clearly as possible that I am privy to a lot of information that went on behind the scenes of the now-ceased web series and am thus all too aware of the inaccuracies that have appeared in media articles about the project, particularly the second Kotaku one where at least a quarter of the statistics and figures given are false. They were an ill-advised attempt at a promotional drive which has since backfired.
I signed no non-disclosure contract and have no problem in getting the record straight without naming names and compromising the integrity of those who have not participated in any wrongdoing. If anyone has any questions relating to any of this, feel free to ask in public or in private and I will endeavour to give you as full and accurate an answer as possible.
I hope this has helped to explain the situation a bit better.
EDIT - there is one final development
I had previously opted to keep this to myself as it is neither my business nor my concern but, upon reflection, it is actually relevant to my post. To my former colleagues, it may interest you to know that a number of weeks following the cessation of our project, the individual to whom much of this article relates contacted Mr. Rind to offer terms for a joint production. To the best of my knowledge, this not only directly contradicts any and all previous comments and actions he made towards Mr. Rind, it actually compromises the terms of the C&D issued by Square-Enix.
Below is the convo in question, edited slightly so that only the relevant points are included:
Basically a couple of months after our project began to build momentum, there appeared a competitive Facebook page which took us all by surprise. As to be expected, the initial reaction by many was that this rival project (Roth Rind Productions) was trying to hitch a ride on our coattails. We felt it was too much of a coincidence that two web series had been put into production at the same time.
In early 2013, our fan base on Facebook was around 12,000 (bear in mind that it had been over 10,000 before we even came together) in comparison to their meagre 30. In addition, our proof of concept trailer had amassed more than half a million hits on YouTube (again, prior to our team forming) while they had no footage of any sort. Originally it was not a big deal, more of a bone of contention for one particular influential individual who had taken the matter very personally, and a number of snide jokes were made at Mr. Rind's expense. I will hold my hands up and say that, regrettably, I did participate in some of these and will take responsibility for that.
However, things changed when a renowned artist we had been pursuing was hired by Roth Rind Productions. Suddenly, the "bad blood" ascended to a new level because they had denied us talent we believed would have been a huge asset to us. Our producer made his displeasure known in a number of unprofessional ways, including bad mouthing Mr. Rind to said artist during a formal meeting. As expected from a professional, the artist declined to comment on the matter. The producer soon after notified the team that Mr. Rind had contacted him to propose joining forces because he could offer years of industry experience. Laughing off the possibility, our producer didn't reply to him.
To the best of my knowledge, Mr. Rind at no time approached any member of our team before or during their association with our project.
Admittedly, Roth Rind Productions were an unknown entity, and those of us at management level were uncomfortable with the idea of sharing our ideas (screenplay, artwork, direction, etc) with what had already been established as a rival in our view. Every time the 'other' web series made a post on their Facebook page, our producer would make a big song and dance about it, stirring up more negativity. I left the project months before the ultimately-destructive Kickstarter fundraiser was launched and thus have no access to any online correspondence as it was denied to me within minutes of my departure. Any of my former colleagues who may still have access to that will be able to confirm that my public stance on the matter was the following:
Neither party own the intellectual property of Final fantasy VII. If Roth Rind Productions has the resources to make a web series, we cannot stop them. If they do not have the resources, there is no threat. Either way, why concern ourselves with it?
EDIT- In the interest of fairness to support Prince Lex's comments and to ensure that blame is not all placed at one person's door, I have added the following paragraph:
During the first quarter of 2013, there was an increase in "bad blood" as a result of online comments made directly by Mr. Rind and/or his affiliates on our Facebook fan page or indirectly via his own page. While I acknowledge more examples exist, I will give two which come to mind. First, Mr. Rind made reference to "cartoon characters" in a status which we felt was a specific criticism of our proof-of-concept trailer. Secondly, I can remember at least one occasion when he passed comment on our promotional material in what felt like an antagonistic manner. Our producer used this as justification to ban Mr. Rind. I cannot recall any direct argument or exchange with Mr. Rind in that public forum, but that is not to say it did not take place. One thing to consider, however, is that people are entitled to their opinions and to tolerate everyone but him suggests that we made Mr. Rind's criticism special, not him. To summarise, in my opinion, neither party can claim not to have antagonised the other. I also will not absolve myself of any wrongdoing and will gladly apologise to any individual who I may have offended.
While I do not wish to get into a war of words with any former colleagues, what I will say is that Tres' and Ite's respective quotes of "Near as I can tell, "lots of douchery" and "stupid" summarizes the entire history of the failed Web Series" and "In addition, there were many people on the *other* Web Series who were interested in a vanity project, and that is in my opinion the singular reason the project is not moving forward" sum up my views on the matter perfectly.
The biggest problem that has arisen is the same as the one I have pointed out in other threads which is that a despicable level of misinformation and downright lies has been fed out by certain members of our web series for reasons known only to them. This has in turn influenced the opinions of TLS-based web series members and subsequently influenced the opinions of the members of TLS. Please note at this point that I am not referring to any TLS member, but individuals from outside the community.
I would also like to point out that I am in regular correspondence with Mr. Rind because I am in interested in his project. I am not an employee or contractor and am not affiliated with him in any way but to occasionally consult on background story elements of the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII. I have even opened up channels of correspondence between Mr. Rind and former colleagues so that they may continue their work on another web series if they so choose. I have nothing to gain from his production and can therefore tell you this without bias. What I will say is that our personal interactions have shown him to be nothing other than polite, respectful and professional.
Please let me state as clearly as possible that I am privy to a lot of information that went on behind the scenes of the now-ceased web series and am thus all too aware of the inaccuracies that have appeared in media articles about the project, particularly the second Kotaku one where at least a quarter of the statistics and figures given are false. They were an ill-advised attempt at a promotional drive which has since backfired.
I signed no non-disclosure contract and have no problem in getting the record straight without naming names and compromising the integrity of those who have not participated in any wrongdoing. If anyone has any questions relating to any of this, feel free to ask in public or in private and I will endeavour to give you as full and accurate an answer as possible.
I hope this has helped to explain the situation a bit better.
EDIT - there is one final development
I had previously opted to keep this to myself as it is neither my business nor my concern but, upon reflection, it is actually relevant to my post. To my former colleagues, it may interest you to know that a number of weeks following the cessation of our project, the individual to whom much of this article relates contacted Mr. Rind to offer terms for a joint production. To the best of my knowledge, this not only directly contradicts any and all previous comments and actions he made towards Mr. Rind, it actually compromises the terms of the C&D issued by Square-Enix.
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Lex
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Well as I mentioned several times, I didn't have all that clear a picture of what was going on anyway. My main impression was that the man himself was constantly commenting on everything that was posted in an attempt to sabotage the project and divert attention to his. I know myself that you and others retaliated in comments, but I was never involved because I had no reason to be.
I really don't know enough about this person to make an overall judgement, but I do know that I have zero respect for his attitude or the way he went about things at the early stages of the other web series, so I don't think:
My impression of his previous "douchebaggery" has not been reduced at all, and I don't think my previous posts were misinformed either. You know yourself that I had a billion issues with the project itself and various people on it. Such issues are well documented here. My previous posts are not in defence of them, they're simply stating that what I know about Roth Rind is in no way positive.
And seriously, I do know how fucked up TWS was, but that post shifts the entirety of the blame on to them and doesn't explain the numerous situations which he himself instigated. I'm not asking for an explanation for those - I don't actually care. But I'm not exactly happy with your post insinuating that I'm dredging up lies in an attempt to sabotage Roth Rind's production.
There's being "professional" and then there's turning a blind eye to people being assholes and calling it "professional". I'm not targeting the aforementioned artists here, but I'm saying that in a real workplace, when something has nothing to do with you, you probably shouldn't get involved unless you have a reason to - that's professionalism. This was my position on the previous arguments featuring this guy when I was there. I was aware of it, I ignored it. But when it was posted here, I felt it was my absolute duty to make it known that this person has not behaved well in the past with the web series, because inevitably there were going to be questions raised about whether the other web series had a clue about it, who was this person etc. It was not an attempt to defame his character, but simply provide everything I knew about the situation (which is admittedly limited).
All I'm saying is I can't really argue with you S and G, because I avoided that situation when I was there whereas you became directly involved so you would certainly know more. And I would never in a million years dream of placing all of the blame on this Roth guy either (everyone knows I've had a few choice words about TWS myself), but I don't think it's right to shift all the blame elsewhere when you know yourself that he instigated a lot of those situations. And if the first bad move was someone on the other side, then trolling the comments to poach fans isn't exactly "professional" either.
It boils down to this - if he makes cool stuff, we'll post about it. But there is no universe in which I'm ever becoming involved in another web series debacle, because that was just one huge unfunny joke towards the end. I thought I'd washed my hands of this crap a long time ago.
I really don't know enough about this person to make an overall judgement, but I do know that I have zero respect for his attitude or the way he went about things at the early stages of the other web series, so I don't think:
My impression of his previous "douchebaggery" has not been reduced at all, and I don't think my previous posts were misinformed either. You know yourself that I had a billion issues with the project itself and various people on it. Such issues are well documented here. My previous posts are not in defence of them, they're simply stating that what I know about Roth Rind is in no way positive.
And seriously, I do know how fucked up TWS was, but that post shifts the entirety of the blame on to them and doesn't explain the numerous situations which he himself instigated. I'm not asking for an explanation for those - I don't actually care. But I'm not exactly happy with your post insinuating that I'm dredging up lies in an attempt to sabotage Roth Rind's production.
There's being "professional" and then there's turning a blind eye to people being assholes and calling it "professional". I'm not targeting the aforementioned artists here, but I'm saying that in a real workplace, when something has nothing to do with you, you probably shouldn't get involved unless you have a reason to - that's professionalism. This was my position on the previous arguments featuring this guy when I was there. I was aware of it, I ignored it. But when it was posted here, I felt it was my absolute duty to make it known that this person has not behaved well in the past with the web series, because inevitably there were going to be questions raised about whether the other web series had a clue about it, who was this person etc. It was not an attempt to defame his character, but simply provide everything I knew about the situation (which is admittedly limited).
All I'm saying is I can't really argue with you S and G, because I avoided that situation when I was there whereas you became directly involved so you would certainly know more. And I would never in a million years dream of placing all of the blame on this Roth guy either (everyone knows I've had a few choice words about TWS myself), but I don't think it's right to shift all the blame elsewhere when you know yourself that he instigated a lot of those situations. And if the first bad move was someone on the other side, then trolling the comments to poach fans isn't exactly "professional" either.
It boils down to this - if he makes cool stuff, we'll post about it. But there is no universe in which I'm ever becoming involved in another web series debacle, because that was just one huge unfunny joke towards the end. I thought I'd washed my hands of this crap a long time ago.
S and G
FFVII books and stuff
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I've been offline for a few hours but have a couple of edits to put in to back up what you've said as well as a more recent development. I only realised after I went away that it doesn't show anywhere that you have a lot of solid founding as to why you raised the point. Which I will address in an edit in the next 20 minutes.
Also, the last line wasn't aimed at you, so apologies for that. I simply used your wording to bring the whole thing together. I also know that neither you, Ite, or anyone else from this forum has lied about the subject. Anything that is inaccurate have been things that you were told rather than something you made up. I certainly had no intention of painting you in a bad light as you were an ally of mine, so if you could point out the wording or phrase that you feel insinuates that, I'll amend it.
Also, the last line wasn't aimed at you, so apologies for that. I simply used your wording to bring the whole thing together. I also know that neither you, Ite, or anyone else from this forum has lied about the subject. Anything that is inaccurate have been things that you were told rather than something you made up. I certainly had no intention of painting you in a bad light as you were an ally of mine, so if you could point out the wording or phrase that you feel insinuates that, I'll amend it.
The Twilight Mexican
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Well, this has been an interesting couple of hours. In the absence of anything more valuable to say, I'll just reiterate my previous sentiments of lots of douchery and stupid.
Thanks for the illumination, gentlemen. And the honesty, even where it would have been easier to avoid.
Thanks for the illumination, gentlemen. And the honesty, even where it would have been easier to avoid.
S and G
FFVII books and stuff
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- MJ Gallagher
Lex is right, those in the know have the duty to share so that everyone can come to their own fair and unbiased conclusions.
He is also right that it's a real shame this all has not yet been put to bed (albeit I brought it up again) and we can just appreciate these teasers for what they are. Maybe it's time just to draw a line under the whole thing.
He is also right that it's a real shame this all has not yet been put to bed (albeit I brought it up again) and we can just appreciate these teasers for what they are. Maybe it's time just to draw a line under the whole thing.
Lex
Administrator
I just... I believe in being as honest as possible, and I believe that everyone should know anything that might affect their opinion on something (unless it's a sworn secret from a friend or whatever). This has landed me in trouble before, and it's not always the best course of action or the most "professional" but in the spirit of what I've just read... it's the one thing I've always believed and I have a real problem with having knowledge that might affect people that isn't shared because of imaginary levels we've drawn between groups of people. I don't like withholding information because it might make me look bad, or because it's unprofessional etc. I believe in honesty, even though it's actually not "always the best policy".
Sanctimonious though it inevitably sounds, that's how I feel. And S and G and I have discussed this and it's likely I responded defensively where it wasn't required, but I feel like I've adequately laid out where I stand on this now so I'm done moaning
Sanctimonious though it inevitably sounds, that's how I feel. And S and G and I have discussed this and it's likely I responded defensively where it wasn't required, but I feel like I've adequately laid out where I stand on this now so I'm done moaning