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Annoucnment regarding Social Groups: Use em' or Lose em'

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Dashell

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Just don't make it outright, graphic porn or something, since that's not allowed.
How would a story of me taking him against his will NOT be this .... but I don't have a story like that it was just an example anyway.

I'm assuming you don't have something guro like Cloud being put in a suitcase missing his limbs or him being repeatedly cut open and bleeding all over the place, while naked.
.... i do not



do you


:awesome:
 

A

Great Old One
Dedicating a whole thread to a character you dislike will just bring drama. There are people here who are against bashing and clubs/threads dedicated to characters of the game. Why would we need those threads when they're likely to create drama? Not everyone here approves of an anti-/hate club, and I doubt that the majority of them even want one or care whether or not there is one. Is there even an advantage/contribution to getting one? I don't want to bring it up, but the CxA forum has a notorious reputation for even starting a thread like the anti-Tifa thread, where all they do is complain and whine endlessly about the 'flaws,' of Tifa. And I understand that there would be 'guidelines,' but sometimes when you're talking about the flaws of a character you can go as of too far into just pointing fingers at other people and talking about them, just like what happens sometimes in the LTD and what happens when you have a forum dedicated to the hate of a character. We already have a perfectly fine thread where you can vent out which characters you dislike, why would we need a club/thread dedicated to them when you already have that? It's just better to be on the safe side rather than creating anti-threads and increasing the forum's chances in creating drama.

$ 0.02
 

Cat Rage Room

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Mog
You like missed the pages of how we discussed how they are not all the same. Your thread MOG is one that expresses your critique intelligently and promotes discusion. We're talking about threads like "Tifa's a whore and she sucks." Read the thread moar :@ (I'm not really angry, I just like this smilie a lot)

Hey! I just so happened to read the entire thread before I posted that. I just singled out a snippet that V said that struck out to me.

Here's what I think. Threads intelligently discussing a dislike for a character or why you think they're poorly written or designed are fine by me, and in a way, they're actually good for the fandom, because they put things in perspective, and allow us to see faults and the not so good side in a franchise we all enjoy. This helps us better understand it more.

But threads like 'TIFA IS A SLUT' are pretty dumb and asinine. I mean, how long could a discussion like that go on, anyway?
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
LOL what's with this social group hate? To be honest it seems they're finally getting some good activity now. Can't we just get used to them?
Not really, it's a bunch moar stuff to click every time I log into the forum. If vBulletin listed social group discussions from the groups you were a member of in New Posts I'd be a lot happier with them. As it is I forget they're there 80% of the time I log into the forum and thus don't post in them nearly as much as I would otherwise. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

If we let every type of club in the club section it's gonna get so cluttered and filled with all manners of clubs and shit. It's good to have it somewhat organized based on the site's focus and content. Social groups can catch everything else and still allow people to discuss what they like and all.
Is that really a problem though? Just stick non-FF-related topics in a General Clubs area and people who don't want to pay attention to it can ignore it. A General Folk/Black Metal thread probably wouldn't work too well in the music/entertainment forums because it'd just fall off the front page, but in the clubs sections where activity becomes more concentrated across a small number of specific threads people check regularly, it'd probably work quite a bit better.
 

Makoeyes987

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Smooth Criminal
We already agree with you there, MOG. We don't mind threads like that. At all. This is about clubs and shit, really. :monster:

"A" brings up awesome points.

@Quexinos

....You have a story about how you rape Cloud? If you did have one, that would belong more in the creative forum section, rly.

And no, no I don't. I despise guro. It creeps the shit out of me. Everytime I even think about or say the word, my right eye twitches and feels funny because the first experience I had with guro was wandering 2chan looking for spoiler pics for Bleach and Naruto and wandering onto the guro board and seeing a young girl get skull fucked while alive.

Guro freaks the shit out of me. :monster:

@V

If we did that, then there would truly be no reason to keep Social Groups at all then. They'd be the epitome of redundant.
 

Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
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Mog
We already agree with you there, MOG. We don't mind threads like that. At all. This is about clubs and shit, really.

I know. I was just tossing my two cents in. So what's the current subject of discourse here? Are we all in agreement that hate threads are stupid?
 

Makoeyes987

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I think we are in agreement, and if not, the dissenters will be summarily round up and shot. :monster:

stalin.jpg
 

A

Great Old One
Is that really a problem though? Just stick non-FF-related topics in a General Clubs area and people who don't want to pay attention to it can ignore it. A General Folk/Black Metal thread probably wouldn't work too well in the music/entertainment forums because it'd just fall off the front page, but in the clubs sections where activity becomes more concentrated across a small number of specific threads people check regularly, it'd probably work quite a bit better.
There's bound to be some people who'll protest against the forum having threads dedicated to the hate of characters they dislike. How much can you hate a character to the point point about all their flaws in a thread?

</Stalin>
Hahahaha.
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
If we did that, then there would truly be no reason to keep Social Groups at all then. They'd be the epitome of redundant.
To be honest, they're pretty redundant as it is anyway, since more than half the content in them is Final Fantasy discussion. They do seem to be better methods of organising stuff than Xbox hueg pairing threads, but the Xbox hueg pairing threads have a sort of forward momentum that the social groups currently lack, probably due to the shitty integration of social groups with the rest of vB.

There's bound to be some people who'll protest against the forum having threads dedicated to the hate of characters they dislike. How much can you hate a character to the point point about all their flaws in a thread?
yeah I'm not really arguing for "hate threads" anymore. Non-mainstream artwork threads, maybe. :monster:
 

Munatik

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I feel the need to elaborate on my opinion a little, so here goes.

The only way I might be alright with a "hate" club is if the discussions were such that they were critical and thoughtful of why a character was either ill-conceived, poorly presented, or just didn't function well in the story. Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening. And besides, you don't really need a club for that. Feel free to start a thread for it in the FF sections if you think you have a strong case and put your venting to good use. What MOG referenced is case in point.

On the other hand, I do see the point where the love or pro clubs have a lot of nonsense associated with them. Hate clubs would also serve the same purpose of giving members a way to discover things in common with one another. The difference, though, is that a mutual hate for a character is a pretty shitty thing to have in common with someone, if only because there are more positive associations we could be making with one another.

Let's say I wanted to start a hate club for the color red, but I'm a huge fan of blue and green. Yeah, it would be nice to meet other people who also hate red, but I think I would be better served if I could just meet other fans in pro-blue and pro-green clubs instead. That's more positive, and to me it makes more sense to encourage that.

BTW I'm starting a hate club for hate clubs. Who's with me?
 

Makoeyes987

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Smooth Criminal
If Quexinos doesn't post truly disturbing, gross crap of Cloud and its clearly sexual in nature and not something Dahmer and Albert Fish would appreciate, I don't see why she couldn't post it in the applicable Cloud thread as is.

Eh, I think we should discuss what we're gonna do with the social groups a bit more before eliminating them. They seem to be getting some activity here and I'd hate to kill it off now that it seems to actually be catching on. That'd be rather schizophrenic, lulz.

@munatik

That wouldn't be a club though, that'd go into the applicable discussion board, since that's intelligent discusssion. We allow that here. :monster:

And I see what you did thar :awesome:
 

A

Great Old One
I should get my eyes checked, :monster:

BTW I'm starting a hate club for hate clubs. Who's with me?
Totally. :awesomonster: Promoting no negativity for this forum will just bring the forum's reputation as a more positive, welcoming forum. Starting anti threads would most likely just ward off people who don't agree with that.
 

Dashell

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@Quexinos

....You have a story about how you rape Cloud? If you did have one, that would belong more in the creative forum section, rly.
I said I don't have one, I was just using it as an example.... but now I wanna write one :awesome:

And no, no I don't. I despise guro. It creeps the shit out of me. Everytime I even think about or say the word, my right eye twitches and feels funny because the first experience I had with guro was wandering 2chan looking for spoiler pics for Bleach and Naruto and wandering onto the guro board and seeing a young girl get skull fucked while alive.
Well I don't blame you for hating things like decapitation or what you just mentioned... that IS creepy, but someone being whipped and bleeding, or cut up a bit isn't that bad. It just depends on how bad it is.

Screw your hate club, I'm starting a FUN club, no no fun allowed :monster:
 

Makoeyes987

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That's another good reason too, "A." You're on a role tonight :monster:

@Quexinos

Well if its clearly sexualized and stuff, then you can post it in the Cloud club and talk about it there. Just no outright pr0n. Basically, no anal, penis and ballz please. :monster:
 

Dashell

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What about tits? :awesome:

EDIT:
and how do I post a story about me raping someone without balls and penises involved? XD (I just won't post it if I ever write it, don't worry)
 

Munatik

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@munatik

That wouldn't be a club though, that'd go into the applicable discussion board, since that's intelligent discusssion. We allow that here. :monster:

And I see what you did thar :awesome:

Lawl, can't get anything past you, comrade. :monster:
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
I think for social groups we just need to upgrade to vB4 where hopefully they won't suck anymore. Which means Jelsoft need to get off their arse and finish the next version of vBulletin.

For now I think turning the most successful social groups into SocialForums might be a way to handle things, but what do I know. :awesomonster:

You can never discuss tits too much.

QFT :awesomonster:
 

Dashell

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dang it guys quit posting so fast:
Also did you see my edit? I mean you say posting a story about Cloud getting raped is okay but I can't mention penises and stuff... that's kind of a contradiction.
 

A

Great Old One
Why is it that every thread in this forum eventually will somehow move to the discussion of tits...?
 

Makoeyes987

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Smooth Criminal
It's strange, isn't it "A"? :awesome:

I don't think we have a rule against erotica. Written smut...Uh...I don't think that would be as bad as long as it's clearly stated as being erotica and NSFW. It's pictures we're talking about. If...you felt so inclined to write a story, you could share it if you wanted.

And yeah, V. We should upgrade our VB as soon as possible.
 

Dashell

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It's strange, isn't it "A"? :awesome:

I don't think we have a rule against erotica. Written smut...Uh...I don't think that would be as bad as long as it's clearly stated as being erotica and NSFW. It's pictures we're talking about. If...you felt so inclined to write a story, you could share it if you wanted.
Well now I have to. if that doesn't get me an ED page nothing will
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
Why is it that every thread in this forum eventually will somehow move to the discussion of tits...?

All life began with Nu tits and ends with Nu tits. [/Chrono Trigger]

But seriously, it's because some of us don't get to see enough tits. :no:
 
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