Avatar: The Last Airbender & Korra (SPOILERS)

Tennyo

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So I only ever watched the first season but I have heard all the spoilery bits about the finale.

Good on Bryke for sneaking that past the Nickelodeon censors. Or has Nick grown a pair and purposely allowed this?

Are they better developed than Makora? Because that ship was a wreck.

Damn now I wish I had kept up with this show.
 

Lex

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So I only ever watched the first season but I have heard all the spoilery bits about the finale.

Good on Bryke for sneaking that past the Nickelodeon censors. Or has Nick grown a pair and purposely allowed this?

Are they better developed than Makora? Because that ship was a wreck.

Damn now I wish I had kept up with this show.

Nickelodeon approved it, but it was told in subtle ways according to their guidelines about what they were allowed to show.

Basically when you're watching just observe the interactions between Korra and Asami in Books 3 and 4 without your hetty glasses on lol
 

Lex

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http://popinsomniacs.com/2014/12/the-legend-of-korra-series-finale-is-revolutionary-but-at-a-cost/

This article explains a lot of my frustrations with the finale well, while also giving praise for what the series did good.

I read all of that (it was quite long) Tbh I rolled my eyes a bit at the breakdown/buildup of Korra in books 3 and 4, if only because they'd already regressed her during book 2. But unlike book 2, what occurs at the end of book 3 and the start of book 4 I feel actually serves a purpose to her long term character development, whereas the crap that happens in the first half of book 2 was just needlessly dramatic.

Did they not have time to flesh out Kuvira enough? I'm not sure about that one. She had a lot of screen time and again I liked how things were revealed about her, including her relationship with Batty batty boom boom. The good thing about Kuvira is that she's less one-dimensional than the other characters.

Overall I feel like the story and charfacter development in Books 3 and 4 were told in a more mature nuanced way so I can actually understand why people feel like they've been done out of something because they're used to the show being well... less subtle.

Also this person says that Korra and Mako have romantic development through books 3 and 4 which is an absolute illustration of what I said about being unable to take off the hetero glasses, because Korra and Mako very very clearly undergo a distinct shift from romance to friendship over the course of books 2, 3 and 4. The vast majority of the audience assume from the very beginning that Makorra is the OTP and will end up together (again), and I'm glad they decided to be mature about it and have them stick to what they said to each other in Book 2, which is "this, us, just doesn't work" rather than dragging out some bullshit will they, won't they storyline.

This person disagrees with Kuvira being the final villain, and tbh I can see that too. You could have switched around any of the other villains and had the same character development for Korra at the end of Book 4. I've said numerous times that something as big as the overarching story during Book 2 would have functioned better as a finale season, but then you don't have all that world development with the spirit portal and stuff.

As for the final scene being inappropriate as the last ever scene, well you could say the same of ATLA couldn't you. This one I think has more meaning to the show as a whole though, because this show has been about Korra's development and the show makes a very strong point about Korra having "only just begun", so for her to end the series going backpacking with Asami makes a very strong connection with the idea of going on a journey and finding yourself.

Also:

She absolutely did not have to go through pain and suffering to undergo "character development"

Utter bullshit. People seem to think that pigheadedness = badassery when it comes to Korra, and it's not true. No one is saying that she was never compassionate but as most teens are, she's pissed off with everything most of the time. Very often in the show this clouds her judgement, and it's repeated over and over again to really hammer the point home. She goes "YOU BAD, BAM PLOW AVATAR MAGIC" then fails repeatedly and yes, I do essentially believe she needed to be taken down a peg or two to realise that it's not always about hammering down the bad guy until they stop. The villains of this series are real people who aren't diabolical and crazy like Ozai (aside from maybe Unalaq who is a bit nuts).
 

Carlie

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I cba to reply to the full post right now but there's almost nothing I agree with it there. There's two things I'm going to reply to quickly:

The portal in Republic City opened because Korra used energy bending, I thought that was rather obvious.

Person that wrote the post apparently doesn't know what a Kaiju is, hint the Colossus is not one.
 

Carlie

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I imagine Asami going "Challenge Accepted!" to Varrick.
 

Wolfhart

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My thoughts on the ending of The Legend of Korra:

I wasn't expecting the pairing Korra-Asami at all. I believe Lex explained very well what happened to me, and I've realised maybe I'm less open-minded than I thought. I always saw their interactions as friendship, nothing more. To be honest, I'd prefer a different ending, and I'm not talking about that particular pairing now. Even if it was Korra-Mako, I'd prefer a non-romantic ending. And it kind of bothers me that (almost) the only thing that people talk about is Korrasami. It's like it has overshadowed the rest of things that happened during the last episode.

So, yes I've liked the series but the ending not so much.

One of my favourites moments of the final episode:
 

Carlie

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There's a reason why we're talking about
Korrasami
so much though,
is not simply because it was a fan preferred couple that was made canon. It's historic, the first openly gay couple in Nickelodeon history. One of the first in an animated series that's not mature and most animated series that have gay/bisexual characters and couples are not the protagonist and the couple is no the main one.
 

Theozilla

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Overall I feel like the story and charfacter development in Books 3 and 4 were told in a more mature nuanced way so I can actually understand why people feel like they've been done out of something because they're used to the show being well... less subtle.
I actually feel the exact opposite, I personally feel Books 1 and Book 2 were told more mature and nuanced compared to Book 3 and 4.

Also:

She absolutely did not have to go through pain and suffering to undergo "character development"
Utter bullshit. People seem to think that pigheadedness = badassery when it comes to Korra, and it's not true. No one is saying that she was never compassionate but as most teens are, she's pissed off with everything most of the time. Very often in the show this clouds her judgement, and it's repeated over and over again to really hammer the point home. She goes "YOU BAD, BAM PLOW AVATAR MAGIC" then fails repeatedly and yes, I do essentially believe she needed to be taken down a peg or two to realise that it's not always about hammering down the bad guy until they stop. The villains of this series are real people who aren't diabolical and crazy like Ozai (aside from maybe Unalaq who is a bit nuts).
I think like with Book 2, this one of those issues that we're just going to have vehemently opposing viewpoints on and just have to agree to disagree on.
 

Carlie

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I actually feel the exact opposite, I personally feel Books 1 and Book 2 were told more mature and nuanced compared to Book 3 and 4.


I think like with Book 2, this one of those issues that we're just going to have vehemently opposing viewpoints on and just have to agree to disagree on.

Romantic plot tumor aside I thought Book 1 was really good. Amon to me is still the best villain in LoK. Had they gotten a full season to properly developed their storylines and not had to rush through certain things it could've been something truly great.

As for Book 2 lets get real with the exception of Beginnings and the introduction of Varrick is a load of crap. At this point even Bryke agree it sucks with it getting the same treatment "The Great Divide" eventually got in ATLA. With moments like Toph calling it a bunch of nonsense in Book 4, many jokes being made at its expense in "Remembrances" and Unalaq not being allowed into The Legion of Doom because he sucks and the other villains can't stand him.
 

Theozilla

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As for Book 2 lets get real with the exception of Beginnings and the introduction of Varrick is a load of crap. At this point even Bryke agree it sucks with it getting the same treatment "The Great Divide" eventually got in ATLA. With moments like Toph calling it a bunch of nonsense in Book 4, many jokes being made at its expense in "Remembrances" and Unalaq not being allowed into The Legion of Doom because he sucks and the other villains can't stand him.
As as stated previously regarding Book 2 we'll just have to agree to disagree on it, I already stated my opinions on long ago. And Bryke making jabs at Unalaq being their least intersting villains does mean that they think their entire Book 2 sucks. Also Toph didn't call it nonsense just the civil war, and that line was more a jab to people in the fandom who had been complaining/asking why Katara wasn't fighting more in the series.
 

Carlie

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- Book 3, massive improvement on Book 2.
- I really liked Zaheer, complex villain that has some valid points. However his incredibly fast learning airbending was kind of ridiculous no matter how much of a fanboy he was beforehand.
- I still feel like the series would've been so much better had they had a full 22 episode order. There's so much more they could've done with the Red Lotus.
- That last fight between Zaheer and Korra was pure animation porn.
- I think Asami either already had or started developing feelings for Korra during Book 3, especially evident with the way she hesitates to say "or anything" in the Book 3 finale. While I think Korra started developing hers during their 3 years apart.
- I spent like 5 seconds trying to figure out who the bald kid next to Korra was when she was leaving for the Southern Water Tribe before I realized that was Jinora. Btw where did that ship take Kya exactly?
- Toph should've been back in Book 3.
- Kuvira was also a really interesting villain. She could've used an episode that went into her backstory. Again the seasons are too short for this to happen.
- Where the hell was Kai all season? He was in the first episode and a blink and you miss it moment in the finale.
- Bataar Jr is worse than Book 1 and 2 Mako, I have no idea how that is even possible.
 

Lex

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- Book 3, massive improvement on Book 2.

Agreed

- I really liked Zaheer, complex villain that has some valid points. However his incredibly fast learning airbending was kind of ridiculous no matter how much of a fanboy he was beforehand.

Quasi-agree. Suspension of disbelief works for me in this case. That he's better than Korra after so little time doesn't surprise me too much.

- I still feel like the series would've been so much better had they had a full 22 episode order. There's so much more they could've done with the Red Lotus.

The obsession with the full episode order thing is kind of ehhhhhh. If they had a full episode order we'd have suffered filler episodes, and you know as well as I do the death that would have caused for the first say 15 episodes of season 2. The series would have been cancelled due to lack of viewership lol seriously think about it. Nah, shorter seasons worked wonders for Korra. More could have been fleshed out with book 3 but that's about it, and we didn't miss much let's be real *hand in your face emoticon*

- That last fight between Zaheer and Korra was pure animation porn.

Strongly agree

- I think Asami either already had or started developing feelings for Korra during Book 3, especially evident with the way she hesitates to say "or anything" in the Book 3 finale. While I think Korra started developing hers during their 3 years apart.

Agree.

- I spent like 5 seconds trying to figure out who the bald kid next to Korra was when she was leaving for the Southern Water Tribe before I realized that was Jinora. Btw where did that ship take Kya exactly?

She went back to the Southern Water tribe. Bryke confirmed this in a Q&A about her character some time ago. A lot of fans were disappointed by the absence of her character in Book 4, but it left room for more of our favourites and her arc was really over so I'm not too bothered by it.

- Toph should've been back in Book 3.

Lies, slander and treachery. Would have done nothing to serve the story. Her character is absent for very real and obvious reasons in Book 3 and Lin and Su are better for it. Her presence in Book 3 would have utterly annihilated the reparation of their family.

- Kuvira was also a really interesting villain. She could've used an episode that went into her backstory. Again the seasons are too short for this to happen.

Agreed on the backstory, disagreed about season length. They could have cut out some of the shit they showed and had her backstory told instead. The clipshow episode for one could have been happily lost in favour of this without losing any value to the season as a whole.

- Where the hell was Kai all season? He was in the first episode and a blink and you miss it moment in the finale.

Very true! Completely forgot about him 0_0

- Bataar Jr is worse than Book 1 and 2 Mako, I have no idea how that is even possible.

Agreed. Wish he'd died.
 

trash panda

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Hooooomaigahddddd. I put off watching season 4 for way too long. Then I came into this thread and spoiled everything for myself and I'm so glad I did because because BECAUSE....what an awesome pairing! I can't wait to see it. I'm on episode 8 right now.

MUCH EXCITE!!!! :excited:
 

Ami

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I finished season 2 recently and yes, I believe what I heard. I wasn't overly too impressed. :/

Just started season 3 now and hoping it does pick up now that
humans and spirits are living together in the same world. I just hope I do see the consequences of that and it's not just forgotten about.
 

trash panda

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- Where the hell was Kai all season? He was in the first episode and a blink and you miss it moment in the finale.

The fact that I had totally forgotten about him until I read this post says something about the impact his character had on me. :wacky:

I thought the ending was perfect. There were some subtle hints throughout the season that made me go "oh...ohhhh" as I watched Korra and Asami together, but to be totally fair I was looking for hints. Granted, the season was very short and so much more could have been explored but I liked everything that I saw. No gripes. It is an amazing show and I'll take whatever I can get. I really REALLY hope that we get to see at least one more season with an avatar from the Earth Kingdom.
 

Serah Farron

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KORRASAMI IS CANON

I might have to actually watch now. But I probably wont. I'll continue to enjoy the fanart and pairing from a distance, though. I never really needed to watch anyway- gifs on my tumblr dash is basically just like watching the show, lmao.
 

Carlie

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It's really not the same though, it's a really good series and most definitely worth a watch.

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