Bashing of either Tifa or Aeris.

Obsidian Fire

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Part of the point of both Aerith and Tifa is that their personalities go against the stereotypes they first look like. Aerith looks like the calm, quiet, sweet girl, but she's the one flirting with Cloud and Zack. Tifa looks like the tough, flirty, bar girl, but she's only loved one guy and isn't sure of what she should do or say to him.
 

Gym Leader Devil

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If Aerith was the kind of girly-girl pure angel of pureness some people like to make her out to be, she'd have never survived for 22 years in the Midgar slums. Keep in mind that for most of that time, she was regularly travelling through thief and monster infested areas to get to and from her church. Chick had to be tough and sassy.
 

Lym

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I love the part in Corneo's mansion when you go to check on Aerith before trying to rescue Tifa(if Tifa got picked, anyway)and she pushes that guy Kotch down the stairs. You don't get to see what Tifa did though I'm sure it was martial arts.

It was awesome, she's like "I'm so sorry!", pushes, and he rolls all the way down. lol Aerith I love you, lady. xD
 

Obsidian Fire

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If I remember correctly, you can go downstairs after you meet up with Tifa and the guy is tied down to the table. I believe the table is hooked up to the generator. There's also the furnace in the room...
 

Celes Chere

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Noctis
I see both girls getting bashed, recently though it seems Tifa has taken over the spot light. It used to be pretty equal, but lately all I see is Tifa hate on the net. 8I In any case, all reasons for hating both girls are pretty damn stupid. I get disliking a character just because they aren't the type of character you like, but hating a character for reasons that make no sense? Nah. Explain yourself and do it right, or gtfo. (meaning, back up your reasons) I don't think you should have to explain why you like or dislike something, but if someone's genuinely asking you because they're curious, if you get all huffy and defensive it's kind of a sign that your reasons are bs.

For Tifa it's because she's a slut, a liar, treats Cloud like crap, is jealous of Aerith, and is desperate.

For Aerith it's that she's annoying, a stalker, a boyfriend stealer, overly flirtatious, clingy.

None of those things ever made sense to me.
 

Elisa Maza

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I think that Aerith bashing is lower because she died. You know, the whole "tragic heroine" and stuff.

Tifa is bashed more because she's the "winner" of the LT and she has big boobs.
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
For Aerith it's that she's annoying, a stalker, a boyfriend stealer, overly flirtatious, clingy.

As an Aerith hater, I can tell you that yes, she god damn annoyed me with her overly flirtatious ways in FFVII. It was so damn ridiculous, I raged a lot. XD The rest makes no sense though. She was forced down my throat and that's something I will always hate with characters (ask Sera, fuck I hate her so much XD).

I still wouldn't bash her though. Not only do I have friends who love her, but I also hate it when people bash senselessly :monster: The difference between good criticism and bashing may be non-existant for some people, but for me, it exists and its important. I also don't like to strip characters off their good sides, even when I hate them. I respect Aerith for some points, but in FFVII, the farther away she was from me, the best I felt, really.

Hating a character because of a LT is even more stupid IMHO.

On the other hand, I enjoyed Tifa who was more intriguing to me, because she seemed to hold a part of the plot linked to Cloud and his strange acting.
 

Mariketsu

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Razael
I see both girls getting bashed, recently though it seems Tifa has taken over the spot light. It used to be pretty equal, but lately all I see is Tifa hate on the net. 8I In any case, all reasons for hating both girls are pretty damn stupid. I get disliking a character just because they aren't the type of character you like, but hating a character for reasons that make no sense? Nah. Explain yourself and do it right, or gtfo. (meaning, back up your reasons) I don't think you should have to explain why you like or dislike something, but if someone's genuinely asking you because they're curious, if you get all huffy and defensive it's kind of a sign that your reasons are bs.

^ This. I absolutely hate when people do this. Sure, I may not like some characters but I don't automatically write them off over one thing. Evangelion for example (which I recently became a huge fan of), I hated Asuka's haughty and arrogant personality, but at the same time, I like her too, largely because she has a deep backstory and explains why she's the way she is and she's not all-talk. She's an amazing Eva Pilot.

As for Tifa and Aerith bashing, I agree, they judge them too much by appearance. I heard a lot of bashing for both characters myself, but I think the reason Tifa's getting more bashing now is because the LTD was confirmed as CloTi and the Pinkers are probably going nutter-butters over it xD. I personally like both characters fairly evenly.

~ Raz
 
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Celes Chere

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Noctis
Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention Aerith is cray cray and can't tell the difference between Cloud and Zack, and is a whore that toys around with multiple men. 8D Even though one of them is erm, dead... so yeah.
 

Frostwave

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and is a whore that toys around with multiple men. 8D

While Cloud was getting "poiked" and "squished" by Mukki inside the Honeybee Inn, Aerith was outside selling her "flower" to a group of guys. For as high as 500 gil.

So this one's ttly backed. :awesome:
 

Tifabelle

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Actually she only sold it for 1 gil cause she's a cheap whore :awesome:
 

Frostwave

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Elizabeth, Selda
Only for Johnny. :3

(Didn't she actually give him a gil? Or was it a case of weirdo translation and he was thanking her for only charging him 1..

This matters btw.)
 

Roger

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Minato
Yeah, Cloud just doesn't know how to bargain, he could've probably deflowered her and acquired a pretty new dress for himself all in a days work if he stopped to put some effort into it.
 

Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
Or her 'flower' was, :monster:

No, Aerith paid Johnny for his own 'flower.'

Never let it be said the woman wasn't a compassionate soul.


She even took Johnny's inferior merchandise and helped him start a new life, get off the stuff, and become a legitimate businessman.

The DTs were killer though. Late Game Johnny needed a fix badly, but finally managed to quit cold turkey.
 

EurAsianGirl

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Or her 'flower' was, :monster:

And I don't see why fans even ship her and Cloud together, she was clearly a yaoi shipper and saw that Cloud was secretly gay, why else would she urge him so much to crossdress and go to the Honey Bee Inn :monster:

Aeris Gainsborough: Closet Yaoi fangirl.
 

EurAsianGirl

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Yase, this is the main reason why I left this fandom for so many years. Because I couldn't stand seeing my two favorite characters getting bashed all the damn time.

I've seen them bashed mostly equally.. though years ago I came across more Aerith bashing than anything else.
Everyone has their own opinions, that's cool, but when you start calling a character a slut for how they act (which isn't even slutty at all) or how they dress ( LOL skirt/tank top and pink and dresses are TOTES SLUTTY GUISE!!) it gets annoying. I don't care too much for throwing the words 'slut' and 'whore' around. So yeah.

It's insane after all these years it's just as bad as when I first got the internet. I mean really bad lol. Try to ignore it but it seems to be everywhere.

They are both awesome and kickass ladies in different ways. And they don't deserve the bashing they get. Cloud gets away mostly without nothing being said about him >__> I've seen some ofc, but not as bad as girls. Then again that's how it always seems to be ;w; I guess that's because GIRLS HAVE TEH BOOBIES AND THEY ARE TEH EVIL lawl

Hmm really, I always came across more Tifa bashing for some reason. Aeris is mostly worshipped by the fans and they think she's such a angelic, super-speshul, magical, Jesus girl.

Tifa mainly gets bashed because she's the winner of the LTD, she's not "special" like Aeris. (Even though she's more important to Cloud's plot than Aeris lol) She didn't tell Cloud the truth when he wasn't "in his right state of mind," she didn't notice him until after he joined Soldier, she bullied him/let him be bullied in their childhood. She only starts returning Cloud's feelings once Aeris gets in the picture, she's more jealous of Aeris than Aeris is of her. (Of course god forbid Aeris is jealous at all or has one humane flaw about her, after all she's FF7 Jesus, she's perfect and loving and selfless and is a BEAUTIFUL PERSON!!11)

And of course the biggest and most common Tifa bashing, she dresses slutty and her boobs are too big.

Because like you say, Women are TOTES NOT ALLOWED TO DRESS THE WAY THEY WANT, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S THEIR BODY OR ANYTHING, IT BELONGS TO MEN SO THEY BETTER COVER UP SO THEY DON'T LOOK SLUTTY!! AND ONLY THE MAN WHO THEY"RE SUPPOSED TO MARRY IS ALLOWED TO SEE THEIR GOODS SO THEY'RE TOTALLY NOT ALLOWED TO WEAR WHATEVER THEY WANT AND THEY HAVE TO BE HIDDEN LIKE GOOD LITTLE SINFUL OBJECTS, LIKE OMG!!11 :awesome:

Seriously, I just find some of these basher's comments so offensive, it's like we're still living in the 18th century and the Women's Movement never happened.
 

Mariketsu

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Razael
I never thought Tifa was slutty in the least. I mainly thought, well, she lived in the slums so, she prolly had a reason to dress the way she did (plus I think a skirt is easier to maneuver around in for her type of physical combat). In fact, I always thought she was as smart and strong as she is beautiful, which gives a lot to her character. Her shyness adds to her personality as well. Btw, I actually prefer Tifa's original outfit because, as someone said, her AC/C one is kinda.. boring. (I'm gonna add, I also prefer Cloud's AC/C outfit cuz I think it suits him rather well, tho the half-skirt and sleeve do bug me a bit xD.)

As for Aerith, I see her more as pretty and cute. Her dress gives a cuteness to her, tho her personality and boldness give her a slight edge too. I never thought of her as a Mary-Sue and felt she became a good character, even if she lost her life not too long after.

~ Raz
 

EurAsianGirl

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I never thought Tifa was slutty in the least. I mainly thought, well, she lived in the slums so, she prolly had a reason to dress the way she did (plus I think a skirt is easier to maneuver around in for her type of physical combat). In fact, I always thought she was as smart and strong as she is beautiful, which gives a lot to her character. Her shyness adds to her personality as well. Btw, I actually prefer Tifa's original outfit because, as someone said, her AC/C one is kinda.. boring. (I'm gonna add, I also prefer Cloud's AC/C outfit cuz I think it suits him rather well, tho the half-skirt and sleeve do bug me a bit xD.)

As for Aerith, I see her more as pretty and cute. Her dress gives a cuteness to her, tho her personality and boldness give her a slight edge too. I never thought of her as a Mary-Sue and felt she became a good character, even if she lost her life not too long after.

~ Raz
Honestly, I'm going to be honest and say that even though I'm a Cloti I actually like Aeris's character better than Tifa's. I don't know she just seemed
really sweet and caring.

However while there are some aspects of Tifa's character I don't like, I find her to be an EXTREMELY well-developed character who had to face her own personal demons and overcame them. I actually think she has the most character development out of anyone in the game (more than Cloud even.) She's a really well-crafted character with lots of flaws and good points and I just honestly love those types of characters. Again, seeing as how such a well-developed character Tifa is, I don't see why she gets so much hate. I guess people prefer 2-dimensional characters after all huh....


Again while I do like Aeris a bit better than Tifa, there are some things about her I found pretty annoying. I HATED how she didn't really change or grow as a character at all. (Granted she wasn't alive long enough in the game to develop but still...) Her personality remained completely static throughout the whole game and the Compilation.

Another thing I hated about Aeris was how SHE. WAS. ALWAYS. GETTING. FUCKING. KIDNAPPED!!!! I honestly hate it when the creators have one of the heroines be a damsel in distress and always get kidnapped, it's just so annoying and really seems to demean women. Plus it's always the girly heroines that get kidnapped.

For once I'd like to see a tomboy heroine (Like Tifa for example) get kidnapped and the girly-girl in the party is the tough one that has to save her along with the party.

STOP PIGGEONHOLING WOMEN SQUEENIX!! Seriously!!
 

Celes Chere

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@EurAsianGirl

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only BlackMage is allowed to do that :awesome:

OT: How was Aerith always getting kidnapped? I recall... one time?
 
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