Character Directions Post-DoC

[Captain Jack Harkness]

they was his adoptive parents, that because he kill them and say that "they have always bertrayed me".

 

[minimosey]

Since reading about the idea of an Aerith cult I am tempted to see Cloud in the background with it. I don't know how well it'd work out, but just some of the things I see going on with it:

1) some people, including those who know him, think/worry he's been totally taken in. and honestly OGC establishes Cloud's naivete pretty well so I think it'd be something where he at least thinks they have good intentions at first, even if he can't completely mesh with how they operate, then starts to get wise about something darker going on.

1b) a few might also think he's a little out of whack if he thinks Aerith wanted him to check this out. The game could leave it ambiguous, maybe it was a good hunch Cloud had that he attributed to her, or drop a major hint that yes, Aerith still occasionally communicates with people. (Though I think they should avoid any direct appearances by her.)

2) because people know about his time traveling with Aerith, and because he has some natural leadership of his own, when things start really heating up with the cult's plans he manages to tip the scales toward the protagonists again by ...well, first being himself (LEVEL 99--okay not that high but he really shouldn't be low-leveled), and by getting the less radical of the crew who respect him to quit and come with him. He's only a leader in crisis though, and after the dust settles the faction ends up either led by Elmyra or more likely, a new NPC. They're deeply concerned with spirituality and respect the Cetra and Aerith's legacy, but don't worship her as a goddess or anything like that. Not after someone let that whole bit about Wall Market slip.

2b) I kind of want Nanaki to play a part in this somehow; probably not as a leader, but I think Cosmo Canyon would play a big role in the cult/surviving faction developing and maturing as it's already established as a place for spirituality and exploring connections to the Planet.

3) Cloud could be keeping an eye out for Elmyra after she gets drawn into the cult. I see it as fairly natural for Cloud with how they visit her after everything to make sure she's all right and apologize again for Aerith's death, plus the later deliveries.

4) I don't see a problem with him leaving home, temporarily. He's always seemed like a roaming type even without AC's problem. He did secretly start deliveries and all. But I would want the game to make it clear that at least Tifa (if not others) is in on what Cloud's doing at all times. He's over the fear of losing people or letting them down and stays in touch with her/visits throughout the game. This could also be a way of showing their relationship getting deeper in multiple ways: short teasing conversations between them, a plot-relevant bit where Cloud confides that he's worried something strange is going on in the cult, and toward the end, him apologizing for getting wrapped up in the action (at which point Tifa should wryly point out he's not the only one busy in this plot) and hinting to her that he has something to ask, but it has to be done in person. The answer is, of course, "I do", and then "Did it really take us this long?" and the ending might not have their actual wedding but someone mentioning that it's coming up real soon. I cannot imagine them having a long engagement once they actually decided they were getting hitched.

Alternatively? With a slight twist on this-- have the teasing jokes, the confiding, and something that seems like a set-up for them getting engaged, but when Tifa and Cloud meet up at the end, she takes his hand and it's shown that they already have wedding rings and have been married for a couple years already. It just didn't change their dynamic, except for them being more confident and comfortable with each other.

I don't think a declaration after one of them has been injured would have quite the same impact because they've always been very protective of each other when they're in danger/hurt. Tifa reaching out for Cloud and their hold on each other as they're dangling, him cradling her in the flower patch, etc. It'd be hard to distinguish it as a level-up in the romance without veering into...well, cheesiness with them making declarations when they have something life-threatening to worry about.

I think there's good points about Tifa staying home and she would want to, but that might also make it fun for her to solve the "empty nest" of Denzel and Marlene taking off for their own adventures + Cloud being Cloud by helping out children displaced by what goes on in the plot/helping people in Edge better defend themselves. Or if all of her friends are doing something for this, I don't think it'd be that odd for her to decide to close the bar for a little bit and go with to help out. It'd pretty much depend on how the plot as a whole shakes out.

 

[Octo]

While I find the Aerith cult a plausible idea, y'know given how fucking stupid people are, the idea that Cloud would be taken in by it or whatever sticks in my craw. A) Because he actually knew Aerith, he shouldn't be mythologising (?) her like that. He knows her as a real human being with all the quirks and flaws that entails and B) It would basically be back to square one with the 'us or a memory' thing, and I just can't see (and wouldn't want) Tifa to tolerate that.

I'd rather see someone else manipulating the 'cult of Aerith' for their own ends, and Cloud and Co trying to put a stop to it. It would be kind of interesting if Shinra were responsible, because Tseng wouldn't stand for that one!

 

[penandpaper]

While I find the Aerith cult a plausible idea, y'know given how fucking stupid people are, the idea that Cloud would be taken in by it or whatever sticks in my craw. A) Because he actually knew Aerith, he shouldn't be mythologising (?) her like that. He knows her as a real human being with all the quirks and flaws that entails and B) It would basically be back to square one with the 'us or a memory' thing, and I just can't see (and wouldn't want) Tifa to tolerate that.

I'd rather see someone else manipulating the 'cult of Aerith' for their own ends, and Cloud and Co trying to put a stop to it. It would be kind of interesting if Shinra were responsible, because Tseng wouldn't stand for that one!

I second this. I wouldn't mind Cloud investigating the cult for example, but being taken in by it is another issue and I feel a bit like that would send his character backwards as far as his characterization goes. He's made peace with his past. I could see him being concerned about the cult, especially given that he'd probably realize that Aerith wouldn't want anything like this about her (At least I don't think she'd approve of the idea.) and his looking into it could lead into the deeper plot as his realizes things are worse then he thought, so he and the others have to deal with the new threat. Or if we'd rather focus on Tifa more, then she could also take on this role. She too cared for Aerith and wouldn't want her friend's memory sullied by something shady.

Shinra being responsible would be interesting because it would give some decent chance for conflict among that portion of the cast, but that also seems kind of predicable by this point, at least in my opinion. They seem to have a hand in most of the issues the world has both directly and indirectly.


Still, Rufus could be using this to try to regain his former influence through other means.

And I talk too much, so I'll stop now.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

I figured I'd hop in to this thread and toss around some of my ideas for what characters who weren't involved in my post-DoC story conclusion article could be up to.

I've always liked the idea of Nanaki maturing a little bit, and trying to learn how to hear the Voice of the Planet. He'd obtain guidance from Bugenhagen's research, and start learning more about his past in the process. It'd also be interesting to get into the idea of Undeath in the FFVII-universe, with Gi Nattak's tribe and some of the other things that happen there taking a somewhat sinister role in a subplot looking at bringing things back from the Lifestream.

During this subplot, we have Vincent pull a "surprise appearance in the moment of danger, and spout off scientific information" moment. Between Vincent's background and Nanaki's heritage, especially given their brief friendship shown in OTWTAS, it makes sense that these grounds are somewhere that they'd experience a brief, but strong journey together, that could also provide a lot of interesting depth to the mythology. Afterwards, Vincent goes back off to assisting Shelke, and Nanaki starts his own personal search for Deneh.



That's it for now, but I'll try to carve out a little time to post in here again soon.



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[Octo]

I second this. I wouldn't mind Cloud investigating the cult for example, but being taken in by it is another issue and I feel a bit like that would send his character backwards as far as his characterization goes.

Exactly, and thats like the main thing that fucked off so many fans about AC, so for any sequel that kind of stuff has to be avoided like the plague.

I can sort of see Marlene becoming involved in such a cult though.

 

[penandpaper]

I figured I'd hop in to this thread and toss around some of my ideas for what characters who weren't involved in my post-DoC story conclusion article could be up to.

I've always liked the idea of Nanaki maturing a little bit, and trying to learn how to hear the Voice of the Planet. He'd obtain guidance from Bugenhagen's research, and start learning more about his past in the process. It'd also be interesting to get into the idea of Undeath in the FFVII-universe, with Gi Nattak's tribe and some of the other things that happen there taking a somewhat sinister role in a subplot looking at bringing things back from the Lifestream.

During this subplot, we have Vincent pull a "surprise appearance in the moment of danger, and spout off scientific information" moment. Between Vincent's background and Nanaki's heritage, especially given their brief friendship shown in OTWTAS, it makes sense that these grounds are somewhere that they'd experience a brief, but strong journey together, that could also provide a lot of interesting depth to the mythology. Afterwards, Vincent goes back off to assisting Shelke, and Nanaki starts his own personal search for Deneh.



That's it for now, but I'll try to carve out a little time to post in here again soon.



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I really like this idea. Nanaki is in desperate need of more attention, given how little he actually shows up throughout the Compliation, so it would be nice to give him some meaningful interaction finally.

Exactly, and thats like the main thing that fucked off so many fans about AC, so for any sequel that kind of stuff has to be avoided like the plague.

I can sort of see Marlene becoming involved in such a cult though.

See, personally I didn't have any real issues with the fact that he's clearly still struggling to come to terms with everything that happened and his feelings about it in ACC because I didn't feel like it did take him backwards there given that I thought that he really needed to deal with some of his issues more then he had in the original game and while I go back and forth on how well this was actually handled by the movie, I did like that they made of an attempt confronting it rather then hand-waving it away or just assuming that everything would be all better without reason. I thought it was justified in the movie, but I agree that going back to those issues would be hard to explain from that point on given that that was a big focus of the movie.

I was actually thinking about either Marlene or Denzel (or both) getting involved in it, whether directly as in joining it or indirectly as in hearing about more and more from friends. This would also add a personal element to it (or more personal anyway) and give both Tifa and Cloud (also Barrett if it involves Marlene) more reason to get involved. It could even be the thing that makes them decide that they need to seriously investigate it.

 

[Unlucky]

Shinra being responsible would be interesting because it would give some decent chance for conflict among that portion of the cast, but that also seems kind of predicable by this point, at least in my opinion. They seem to have a hand in most of the issues the world has both directly and indirectly.


Still, Rufus could be using this to try to regain his former influence through other means.

I see it the other way. With this issue at hand I can picture Shinra and his Turks being like they were in AC-- they got Cloud's back but they definitely have a different agenda. As I've mentioned in my previous post, I can imagine Rufus getting rid of new organizations that may threaten his power, and this cult seems to fit the description. So instead of Rufus being behind this, he might want to get rid of it for a reason different from Cloud & Co's.

 

[Ghost X]

As far as game structure is concerned, if they want to mirror the success of western RPGs in recent times, I think things should be mission-based, and that actions have a permanent effect. Say for example you're given 6 missions to choose from to begin with, and you select one, you can no longer select the other 5. I think this could be a way to bring in compilation characters, playing supporting role cameos, and completing their storylines along the way.

 

[minimosey]

While I find the Aerith cult a plausible idea, y'know given how fucking stupid people are, the idea that Cloud would be taken in by it or whatever sticks in my craw.

Oh, I don't think he'd be getting in it all the way. The bit about his naivete was just that he might think uh, they're kind of skewing things, but they mean well and people need something to get by, so maybe it's okay...? And then he finds out more going on under the surface and it's a whoa no we're stopping this right now.

The idea was also that others might be worried he's been taken in by it, because of past events, but like you said, he's overcome that. It'd be sort of a little 'gotcha' with players being led to believe Cloud might be doing something really stupid and then it turns out no, actually, he's got things under control this time.

Granted it is kind of difficult to think of how it'd work out, so maybe it's not a viable idea anyway. But to me Cloud's stance on the cult would depend a lot on what they're doing on the surface. While I don't think he'd ever be a dyed-in-the-wool convert or whatever you call it, I can't see him being all gung ho about stopping it unless it was an established threat. He does idealize Aerith himself, and I think he'd understand others doing it especially after everything that's happened. He'd probably be uncomfortable with how far it goes since he did actually know her, but unless they're supposed to be obviously dark from the beginning (in which case why is Elmyra getting taken in by them??? She's a fairly smart lady) I think trying to check it out more closely makes sense for him. Or maybe just leaving it alone (until the harmless facade comes off, that is).

 

[Roger]

Oh, I don't think he'd be getting in it all the way. The bit about his naivete was just that he might think uh, they're kind of skewing things, but they mean well and people need something to get by, so maybe it's okay...? And then he finds out more going on under the surface and it's a whoa no we're stopping this right now.

The idea was also that others might be worried he's been taken in by it, because of past events, but like you said, he's overcome that. It'd be sort of a little 'gotcha' with players being led to believe Cloud might be doing something really stupid and then it turns out no, actually, he's got things under control this time.

Whether he actually IS taken in or not is irrelevant. Point is that Cloud still doesn't have Barret, Tifa's ect. trust after all these years. Which makes him NOT being gullible as all getout character development for THIS game, rather then imply he's learned his lesson during the past titles.

 

[penandpaper]

I see it the other way. With this issue at hand I can picture Shinra and his Turks being like they were in AC-- they got Cloud's back but they definitely have a different agenda. As I've mentioned in my previous post, I can imagine Rufus getting rid of new organizations that may threaten his power, and this cult seems to fit the description. So instead of Rufus being behind this, he might want to get rid of it for a reason different from Cloud & Co's.

That would be interesting too. I suppose that the only thing that I wouldn't want to see from Rufus is becoming purely a good guy (Which I'm kind of worried about). He's an interesting character because he seems to have taken on this middle ground where he might be helping, but not for clear cut "good" reasons. He's more complex than that. Not purely good or bad in his intentions.

Oh, I don't think he'd be getting in it all the way. The bit about his naivete was just that he might think uh, they're kind of skewing things, but they mean well and people need something to get by, so maybe it's okay...? And then he finds out more going on under the surface and it's a whoa no we're stopping this right now.

The idea was also that others might be worried he's been taken in by it, because of past events, but like you said, he's overcome that. It'd be sort of a little 'gotcha' with players being led to believe Cloud might be doing something really stupid and then it turns out no, actually, he's got things under control this time.

Granted it is kind of difficult to think of how it'd work out, so maybe it's not a viable idea anyway. But to me Cloud's stance on the cult would depend a lot on what they're doing on the surface. While I don't think he'd ever be a dyed-in-the-wool convert or whatever you call it, I can't see him being all gung ho about stopping it unless it was an established threat. He does idealize Aerith himself, and I think he'd understand others doing it especially after everything that's happened. He'd probably be uncomfortable with how far it goes since he did actually know her, but unless they're supposed to be obviously dark from the beginning (in which case why is Elmyra getting taken in by them??? She's a fairly smart lady) I think trying to check it out more closely makes sense for him. Or maybe just leaving it alone (until the harmless facade comes off, that is).

I think that I still have an issue with the fact that his friends would automatically assume such a thing of him because this would indicate that his friends don't trust him and that he's apparently back to keeping things to himself. Given that his big revelation in ACC is that he's not alone and that he doesn't have to suffer in silence anymore, it would seem odd that he's reverted to hiding things again to the point that his friends would believe that of him rather then speaking with them on the topic so that they know his stance.

In truth, I don't think that Cloud will ever become a chatty or a particularly expressive person. That's just not who he is, but presumably he's learned his lesson that he can and should confide in his loved ones and friends, so when he's becoming interested/having concerns/etc about the cult, I'd hope that he'd bring it up to at least Tifa if not his other friends as well.

And with Tifa, I'd like to believe that, after the whole Geostigma thing, she'd have learned that sometimes things need to be confronted head on rather then just worrying about them. After all, it was only after she did confront him about his attitude in ACC that any real change started to happen. Would she really sit and worry about him in silence or would she ask him about it in which case they could presumably talk about it? I'm not saying that either Cloud or Tifa is the best at communication because they're not, but they've also learned a lot over the course of the Compilation and while I'm sure that they're still likely to have issues, this just feels like they're both starting back at step one as individuals and as a couple. At least to me it does.

I do agree with some parts of what you suggest though, especially in that I'm not sure that Cloud would automatically assume that any harm is meant by the cult and he might think that they're just mislead in their intention so he might not be in a rush to shut them down, but that wouldn't stop him from investigating it whether he does it out of loyalty to Aerith's memory, worry for his children (who may or may not be getting involved in it), or both. I'd like to believe that he'd realize that she wouldn't want this kind of attention.

Overall, it's an interesting idea though. I'm just being picky, so ignore me.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

More sidestories....

Shalua: (going by some interviews, she might not be dead so I'm going with it) Shalua is the lead scientist/researcher in the WRO (equivalent to Hojo's position). Unfortunately, a lot of data is missing because the Shin-Ra Tower fell and the internet went down. This means that the only way to get the data is to experiment on people and Shalua doesn't want to have anything to do with that. This isn't just because of Shelke; the Turks have informed her that Rufus doesn't take too kindly to human experimentation as it was the cause of the whole Sephiroth problem.

Naniki & Vincent: I really like X-SOLIDER's idea for this.

I should probably put this up in some other thread but anyway... Life, death and the Lifestream. Exactly how do they relate to Vincent? It's easy to say that he's immortal and can't die, but what does that mean when dieing really means: "becoming one with the Lifestream"? Not being able to die then means: "being unable to join the Lifestream", which is what Sephiroth wants to do. From what we've seen, ghosts are people who don't want to join the Lifestream just yet. I don't know how you would work this in, but it would be an interesting point for someone to bring up.

The only problem I have with the Aerith cult idea is this: How many people know it was Aerith specifically who brought the rain/spring that cures geostigma? I get that AVALANCHE knows because they recognize her voice, but how is everyone else to know that it wasn't just some random woman, the Planet, a monster, a goddess?

What I see happening is Cloud going to the Church and finding a cult set up to whoever the people thought cured them and him getting mad that they're dishonoring Aeirth's place.

 

[Captain Jack Harkness]

about Denzel: obviolusy he want to became strong as Cloud so, after be denied by Reeve, he'll ask directly to cloud to be trained. i think that both Cloud and Tifa, but more Tifa, are quite apprensive with Denzel (because he lived in the sector 7 etc), so Cloud wouldn't train him. don't be understand by your hero isn't a good sensation, so maybe he would go in search of someone who'll train him, or run away from home or both of them.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

I should probably put this up in some other thread but anyway... Life, death and the Lifestream. Exactly how do they relate to Vincent? It's easy to say that he's immortal and can't die, but what does that mean when dieing really means: "becoming one with the Lifestream"? Not being able to die then means: "being unable to join the Lifestream", which is what Sephiroth wants to do. From what we've seen, ghosts are people who don't want to join the Lifestream just yet. I don't know how you would work this in, but it would be an interesting point for someone to bring up.

Although I hadn't thought about this initially, I think that Gi Nattak being undead is a perfect venue to explore this, and with Nanaki there, it'd tie in to the greater mechanics of the Planet much more easily. Nanaki & Vincent - Spirit & Science.


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[Obsidian Fire]

^^The life/death/Lifestream relationship has interested me ever since ACC revealed that Sephiroth does not want to join the Lifestream. It would seem that he can (will?) if given the right circumstances. Then there's Zack and Aerith who, while they aren't hanging on to life enough to be full on ghosts, haven't joined the Lifestream either and are helping Cloud and Co. out. I'm wondering what makes ghosts okay and what Sephiroth was trying not besides the obvious.

What I'm also curious about is Lucrecia. She says she's tried to kill herself and nothing's worked so I'm wondering if it's just that she heals too fast or that she can't join the Lifestream. (Conclusion to her story arc?)

My basis for the Lifestream not wanting certain beings to be a part of it is how the mako Chaos comes from is clearly mako (what the Lifestream is made out of), but is in its own little pool locked up in its own cave and not connected to the Lifestream proper. Lucrecia and Vincent might be other examples of this type of setup.

 

[Unlucky]

That would be interesting too. I suppose that the only thing that I wouldn't want to see from Rufus is becoming purely a good guy (Which I'm kind of worried about). He's an interesting character because he seems to have taken on this middle ground where he might be helping, but not for clear cut "good" reasons. He's more complex than that. Not purely good or bad in his intentions.

I agree with your idea. As far as helping Cloud, he still remains unpredictable and untrustworthy, and for his own gain, will resort to methods without much regard to Cloud and Co. Like, the only way you can say that he's 'helping' Cloud is because they both have the same goals, but at any moment he can become an enemy if they have different means to achieve it.

I think that I still have an issue with the fact that his friends would automatically assume such a thing of him because this would indicate that his friends don't trust him and that he's apparently back to keeping things to himself. Given that his big revelation in ACC is that he's not alone and that he doesn't have to suffer in silence anymore, it would seem odd that he's reverted to hiding things again to the point that his friends would believe that of him rather then speaking with them on the topic so that they know his stance.

Seconded.

 

[ForceStealer]

I've always taken Lucrecia's inability to kill herself as simply stemming from the fact that Jenova-infused lifeforms are freakin hard to kill. (See: Zack, Cloud, Sephiroth, Hojo, etc.)

But then I also thought Vincent was immortal only in that he didn't age, but someone could still kill him like anyone, but according to Dirge he actually heals far more serious wounds than normal.

 

[minimosey]

What I see happening is Cloud going to the Church and finding a cult set up to whoever the people thought cured them and him getting mad that they're dishonoring Aerith's place.

I think people would know it was a woman and be able to guess it was Aerith--she contacted the children by phone, there's that child who specifically references that someone female told them Cloud would be here. Add in Aerith's association with the church during her life and I think people who were originally from Midgar, especially around sector 5, would be able to guess. (That girl in the new novella knew something was up with her, even before AC, didn't she? Maybe I'm misremembering the discussion.) Still, if they did anything that messed up the church or made it weird, yeah. Cloud would get pissed pretty fast.

 

[Octo]

Yep, there have been numerous real life 'miracles' that started with the rantings of a nutty kid/compulsive liar. I don't see why FFVII's universe should be any different

 

[Tennyo]

I have to echo that I don't understand why Tifa wanting to live a quiet life with a family is such a bad thing. She was never really the warrior type. She joined Avalanche out of a desire to save the planet, but also I think mostly because of what happened to Nibelheim. It's also only natural that she'd follow Cloud to go after Sephiroth. But after that, why would she keep going if there was no real need?

That being said, there's some very interesting ideas in this here thread. I really want to share mine now. I actually had this idea and thought about writing a fic, but I have too much to write. When will I have the time? lol

Basically, I want to see the world expanded. I want it to be vast and I want to see things that have more to do with the culture at large rather than just the individual characters.

Such as, who is in charge now? Wutai pulls itself together now that they are no longer under Shinra's thumb, and Cosmo Canyon has always had it's own thing going on so that could also be fairly stable, but what of the rest of the world? I would think that any government that had existed is gone now due to the fact that it was all for show. Like the mayor of Midgar. He wasn't really in charge of the city. Shinra just put him in that spot to be a figurehead.

So the WRO is in charge now? It would make sense. Reeve was basically running things at the end of the original game, and for the most part in DoC. The fact that he'd be a prominent leader now makes sense. But I can see people feeling apprehensive about this. What's to keep him from becoming a cruel dictator? What makes Reeve better from President Shinra or Rufus? I can't imagine that everyone in the entire world will be happy with his policies without question.

Bring in an elected council of sorts that would help run things and act as the voice of the people. It seems like a good idea. Reeve believes this will be progress for the good of the people. Avalanche will at first like the idea as well. Rufus and the Turks most likely won't, because I can see this council wanting to do harm against Shinra due to the past.

The council will do what it does in the name the greater good, however, what kind of story would this be if they weren't just a tad bit misguided.

The main issue with this council will be that they are afraid that history will repeat itself. The entire population at large could be afraid that recent events will come to pass again if something isn't done to squash things once at for all. This will be a good way to bring the idea of Sephiroth back without actually having to resurrect him. People are still afraid of him. Who is there in the world that is anywhere near being similar to what Sephiroth was?

So yeah, essentially, in a bid for more power and because he's a prick, one of the council members will play on the still lingering fears of the population and start some sort of crusade against Cloud. His thoughts would be something like, Sephiroth was once a hero, then went crazy and tried to destroy the world. What is to say Cloud won't suffer the same fate?

Of course, we, the players of the game, know that would never happen, but a lot of people in-game wouldn't. Perhaps documents of all of Shinra's shady dealings come to light, including information about the Sephiroth Copy project and how Cloud was an unwilling participant.

It also won't be just Cloud, either. Vincent and Shelke will also be targeted due to being results of Shinra's various science experiments in addition to their connection with Deepground.

So it would be the three of them versus the WRO's army. Reeve has his hands tied by politics now, but will do his best to influence and help how he can from above. In turn, the rest of Avalanche will try to help. We know that Cid and Yuffie are pretty much official members of the WRO now, aren't they? I think it would be cool if Barret was now as well.

This brings us to Tifa and the kids, and potential interesting development for her and Cloud. Cloud wants to go on the run and fight the new enemy, but it isn't someone he can just go after since he'd only be reinforcing everyone's fears. But unlike Vincent and Shelke who could probably just do whatever with no anchors to tie them down, Cloud has a family, and has a lot to lose.

Essentially, I can see Tifa pairing up with Reeve, trying to remain low-key but being up to something, not sure what.

Shinra and the Turks, will, obviously, be on Cloud, Vincent, and Shelke's side due to circumstance. They will have a common enemy, but have different agendas.

And to top it all off, at some point we'll have to bring in Genesis with Weiss. I had the idea that perhaps Genesis is the one who finds Shalua, and now she is with them. Perhaps Genesis could offer to help Cloud, and Cloud wouldn't quite realize who he was at first and/or not trust him. But Shalua very well could and try to convince him via Shelke to work with Genesis.

Not sure whether or not I'd want Genesis to be a villain. I think it would be good to find a way to make him into one, though.

I could also see Cosmo Canyon being willing to hide Cloud, Vincent, and Shelke from the council. Would be a good way to bring Red XIII in.

And that's that. It's a jumbled mess, I know. But just some ideas.

Oh, also, my head canon says that Shelke moved into 7th Heaven at the end of DoC. You can't shake me of this. <3

 

[Captain Jack Harkness]

and don't forget that Cloud give the Black Materia to Sephiroth, Vincent's girlfriend is Sephiroth's mother and he worked at the Procject S, Vincent is a monster with the only role of kill everybody and Shelke was a DG general .
Avalanche and some other apart, nobody know what real Chaos is and that Shelke was only used by DG. there're some witness who see Cloud give the black materia to Sephiroth, the fact that Vincent love Lucrecia isn't a secret and there'ra surely some report where appear his name near the word 'Project S'. damnit, Vincent is a monster who kill everithing and everybody, we have to kill him.
and then the vampire hunt begin.:count:
and this can be good for rufus. now he can count on some really strong allied and he has the opportunity of reinforce his ties with cloud too, and maybe try to appear a better person who he really is. be a Avalanche friend can be quite useful if he want to regain his power, and i think he want.

 

[Wolfmania]

Chaos returned to the planet with Omega at the end of DoC though. The large mako sphere that was seen in the atmosphere was the Omega Weapon's mako construct returning to the planet as Chaos ordered It to with himself.

Vincent is no longer the vessel for Chaos, so no one would come hunting him. That being said, I doubt Cloud would ever actually kill Vincent if the red gunslinger was actively trying to destroy the world as the Chaos Weapon. I'd reckon Cloud would just find him, beat him up until he reverted to normal, and take him to a secluded area to talk about being a puppet of someone's will and how it can break your mind, destory all that you love and is a huge disparity to who you are. You know, stuff Cloud is an expert at.

 

[Captain Jack Harkness]

yeah, you're right about chaos but:
1- like i said, Avalanche and some other apart, nobody know this things.
2-Chaos is returned to the planet, but what hojo did on Vincent will never disapear. and if somebody can be scared by a man with a gun instead the arm (CoB) what the folks can think about a man that doesn't age and can trasform himself in a big monster like Galian beast?

 

[Wolfmania]

Haha. Well I'm sure people would demand Vincent's head on a pike if he went around terrorizing cities and killing people, however, he is known as one of the heroes of the Meteor Crisis, and now the Omega Crisis, so people are wise to him being a benevolent force by now, since he is in full control of himself.

I'm not saying It could never happen, but It's highly unlikely.