Chit Chat Thread 2.0

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Ⓐaron

Factiō Rēpūblicāna dēlenda est.
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The Man, V
@A: 'cause I just forget to close them :monster: And I'd like to change world politics in some way for the better. Preferably through making it moar ready for libertarian syndicalism/socialism. I haven't really worked out details on the rest yet.

@Omega: <redacted>.

Working at a book store is definitely nice for keeping on top of new releases + discounts on books.
 

Channy

Bad Habit
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Ruby Rose, Lucy
Totall blacked out on the thread, rly going to bed now.

Goodnight A, even if you have others D;

Goodnight Cleriibito Tiff. <3

OH I SEE HOW IT IS </3
 

A

Great Old One
@A: 'cause I just forget to close them And I'd like to change world politics in some way for the better. Preferably through making it moar ready for libertarian socialism. I haven't really worked out details on the rest yet.
My sister wants to work in politics as well, but then she said she'd become a greedy pig. That just spurred her more. :neom:

@ Tiff: I FEEL BAD FOR FORGETTING /WRISTS

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Nooo Channy> :(
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
I'm not motivated by self-interest at all. I'd make a horrible capitalist/politician. It's also a large part of the reason I haven't gotten laid in almost four years :monster:
 

Joker

We have come to terms
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Godot
Aaron: you BASTARD. I had to work for crappy Waldenbook's (bitch-child of Borders). I've always liked B&N best. I haet u :(

I really do miss working in a bookstore, though. It was so...relaxing.
 

Ⓐaron

Factiō Rēpūblicāna dēlenda est.
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The Man, V
There are good & bad things about working at B&N. Lately we're understaffed, though I suspect that's true of all book stores due to the recession. I can't rly compare it to other bookstores though, seeing as I've never worked at any of them. It does make me feel a bit uneasy to be a part of such a large corporate machine though, even if it's just a small one.
 

A

Great Old One
Then... to do better for the country? I dunno, it seems all people in politics take at least some advantages. The only one who (as of the past) I believe truly had their intentions at pure is Abe Lincoln, but eh. George Washington maybe.
 

Ⓐaron

Factiō Rēpūblicāna dēlenda est.
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The Man, V
Pretty much. If I ever acquire a fortune it'll only be for the purpose of using it to influence politics and/or assist the needy. I'm way too introverted to be a successful politician though, and I honestly feel the American political system is so antithetical to direct democracy that it's pretty much impossible for anyone with principles they are unwilling to compromise to get elected.
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
Thanks :monster: hopefully I will :wacky: at the moment my dream occupation is actually bestselling author of allegorical sci-fi/fantasy-ish works, but I need to cure my blocks about creating a plot before I can really make any strides towards that.
 

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Great Old One
Thanks hopefully I will at the moment my dream occupation is actually bestselling author of allegorical sci-fi/fantasy-ish works, but I need to cure my blocks about creating a plot before I can really make any strides towards that.
Hey, what do you mean by the system being unethical by the way?

Yup. And now I flee. XD
NOOOOOO DON'T GO FROSTY EVERYONE IS ABANDONING ME. D ;

@Ali- Uh, Hi.
Uh, hi back. :awesome:

HOW ARE YOU? :reptar:
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
Basically the system as it is structured encourages the selling out of principle for political gain, which is directly antithetical towards enacting the will of the populace since it effectively encourages politicians to engage in doublespeak. Simply put, politicians cannot get elected without the illusion of supporting the populace, but at the same time if they upset the ruling class too much (you're fooling yourself if you think politicians do most of the real ruling) they'll suffer a staged media backlash that will effectively end their time in office by the time the next election rolls around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model for more.
 

A

Great Old One
If it encourages politicians to engage in doublespeak, then why would you say that they'll suffer a staged media backlash if they upset the ruling class? If they engage in doublespeak, obviously when they end up doing/not doing what the ruling class wants/doesn't want, then wouldn't that mean that it discourages people from doublespeaking?

EDIT: Wait, so what you gave me is propaganda, right? The media giving out lies to the public? Or am I wrong?

GOOD THANKS, RATHER BORED AND GETTING SLEEPY.
NO DON'T LEAVE. :reptar:
 

Frostwave

lil' rice krispies
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Elizabeth, Selda
Ok I won't for a sec.

Heya, Tiff. :awesome:

Huh... Oh, a week ago me and my sis and her friend went to Sonic's and noticed that you can order a banana(for a dollar). Just a plain ol banana(guess they wanna sell em before they rot).

We thought it'd be funny if one of us would go there and just order a banana. Buzz the thing and when they ask for your order just say "Oh hell I need me a banana RIGHT NOW."

Ahm gonna go watch that show now. :)
 

A

Great Old One
Huh... Oh, a week ago me and my sis and her friend went to Sonic's and noticed that you can order a banana(for a dollar). Just a plain ol banana(guess they wanna sell em before they rot).
LOL, they sell.. bananas? Just... a banana? I find that incredibly amusing, haha. :monster: I wonder if they're keeping a monkey there.

:awesome:

They should sell more fruit and open a fruit enterprise: Sonic's Fruit Enterprise!

And okay, have fun. Tell me what you think, okay~?
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
If it encourages politicians to engage in doublespeak, then why would you say that they'll suffer a staged media backlash if they upset the ruling class? If they engage in doublespeak, obviously when they end up doing/not doing what the ruling class wants/doesn't want, then wouldn't that mean that it discourages people from doublespeaking?
The point is that they have to make it seem like they're furthering the interests of the populace, and as long as they don't upset the ruling class too much the media will go along with the farce and present them as being largely upstanding politicians regardless of what they do. However, if they actually piss off the ruling class (by say, nationalising banks or something) then the ruling class will engineer a 'grassroots backlash' like the one over Bush v. Gore in Florida where it turned out all the 'Floridian protesters' were flown in from other states.

Let's put it this way, if Obama actually wound down U.S. involvement in other countries he'd probably be assassinated, and certainly the media coverage of him would make the stuff running on Faux News right now look reverent. As it is he can take steps towards ending the war in Iraq while stepping up combat operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and thus to the media he's a dove. That's the flaming socialist (to the mainstream media) who got elected. If an actual socialist were in office the airwaves would be full of nonstop invective.

The wiki article does a much better job of explaining it than I'm doing at this late hour though. For perhaps an even more thorough explanation, look up Andrew Marr's interview of Chomsky on YouTube.

EDIT: Wait, so what you gave me is propaganda, right? The media giving out lies to the public? Or am I wrong?
Yeah basically. The media present themselves as "unbiased observers" when really, they are actively involved in influencing and shaping public opinion by excluding certain viewpoints from consideration. They may not even place any bias into their work consciously; the whole setup of the rewards and punishments is such that those who endanger the interests of the status quo are rewarded by having their jobs placed in jeopardy. So it's not necessarily that anyone working within the media has a cynical motivation (although people like Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck certainly do), but just that the system itself is set up to discourage people from entertaining certain points of view.
 
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Great Old One
Oh... Well, if you put it that way... D :

Actually, concerning fainting, I have to check up with a doctor - I've been having these lapses where I feel like I'm going to faint, or I black out momentarily. I don't know what's wrong. And also, if you want to sleep, go ahead... I won't stop you. *cries*

Okay, but seriously, if you want to sleep, you can go ~ Don't want someone like me keeping you awake. ;)

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The point is that they have to make it seem like they're furthering the interests of the populace, and as long as they don't upset the ruling class too much the media will go along with the farce and present them as being largely upstanding politicians regardless of what they do.
If they further the interests of the populace, wouldn't that mean they would have to actually act on it though?

However, if they actually piss off the ruling class (by say, nationalising banks or something) then the ruling class will engineer a 'grassroots backlash' like the one over Bush v. Gore in Florida where it turned out all the 'Floridian protesters' were flown in from other states.
I recall that's been done to another election... I think it was Abraham against I forget who?

Let's put it this way, if Obama actually wound down U.S. involvement in other countries he'd probably be assassinated, and certainly the media coverage of him would make the stuff running on Faux News right now look reverent. As it is he can take steps towards ending the war in Iraq while stepping up combat operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and thus to the media he's a dove. That's the flaming socialist (to the mainstream media) who got elected. If an actual socialist were in office the airwaves would be full of nonstop invective.
He's African American, and there are so many racist bastards here I can't even make up a number of it. He's already in danger of getting asassinated, much more than just the usual president. And it's not necessarily a bad thing if he takes steps towards the ending of the war in Iraq, so wouldn't that mean he DOES potray as a dove because he's helped America with this huge screw up? Are you saying that if he did something bad after that it wouldn't affect his reputation because of what's already been done?

The wiki article does a much better job of explaining it than I'm doing at this late hour though. For perhaps an even more thorough explanation, look up Andrew Marr's interview of Chomsky on YouTube.
Alright, sorry for asking. :monster: It's interesting talking politics with someone who's not a ding dong head, and I need to get a clearer view anyways. We should really be discussing this in GJ though.

Yeah basically. The media present themselves as "unbiased observers" when really, they are actively involved in influencing and shaping public opinion by excluding certain viewpoints from consideration. They may not even place any bias into their work consciously; the whole setup of the rewards and punishments is such that those who endanger the interests of the status quo are rewarded by having their jobs placed in jeopardy. So it's not necessarily that anyone working within the media has a cynical motivation (although people like Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck certainly do), but just that the system itself is set up to discourage people from entertaining certain points of view.
But everyone has a right to free speech, right? It's not like anyone's preventing us from speaking up, and it doesn't make much of a difference... right?
 
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