Did Cloud and Aerith ever get it on?

[Channy]

CloudxMukki ftw.

 

[Tennyo]

CloudxMukki ftw.

I concur.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yes. It's possible.

It is also possible that Aerith is a serial murder and that she leaves a trail of dead waitresses in motel rooms from Midgar to Bone Village, but that neither makes it likely nor a part of the story.

Also, Cloud grieves for Zack as well. ZOMFG true love?

In short, Fenrir, this entire topic, while interesting, is either pure speculation and should be given only the respect such deserved, or getting far too ahead of itself.

Also, the game takes place between Dec 9 sometime close to midnight, and Last third of January, some time in the early morning.

 

[Tennyo]

I also just thought of something else. In Case of Tifa, when everyone goes to the Fogotten City to pay their respects to Aerith, Tifa breaks down and bawls her eyes out, not Cloud. Does that mean Tifa loves Aerith romantically?

Also, Tifa and Barret hold on to immense guilt for their actions as members of AVALANCHE. Does that mean they have romantic feelings for all the people who died in the reactor bombings or when the Sector 7 plate fell?

 

[A]

I also just thought of something else. In Case of Tifa, when everyone goes to the Fogotten City to pay their respects to Aerith, Tifa breaks down and bawls her eyes out, not Cloud. Does that mean Tifa loves Aerith romantically?

Also, Tifa and Barret hold on to immense guilt for their actions as members of AVALANCHE. Does that mean they have romantic feelings for all the people who died in the reactor bombings or when the Sector 7 plate fell?

That was my point in my... last-last post. Having feelings of sadness or guilt can't commute to feelings of love.

 

[Channy]

I dunno guys, he may be onto something. I squishes a bug earlier today, only to realise too late that we were truly meant for eachother. It was heartwrenching.

 

[wayfarer]

I wasn't talking to you (BBM) specifically, i quoted you and addressed the issues that you brought up.

Some more reasons: The plot was slanted in the direction of the relationship, Cloud practically lived in Aeirth's church for a LONG time, and if you say that Cloud's depression over Zack's death is the same it's not. Cloud forgot who Zack was for years, even when he was referred to by name. It had been years afterward, and Cloud didn't live in a place that had centimental value concerning Zack. If he felt the same way he did about Zack as he did Aerith, he might've stayed in Shinra Tower, reminiscing about old times with his fallen comrade. Anyway (here's the big one) the writers killed Aerith off. If Cloud was gonna be with Tifa, it would've been Tifa who was killed by Sephiroth. Alas, these really belong in the LTD thread. However, I already presented spare time in which Cloud and Aerith could've gotten it on.

PS I heard you Isabella, I guess it kinda is. What I was really driving at in the first post was that in the events that weren't covered, anything could've happened. Keep in mind that throughout the game, characters are constantly shifting positions on the world map. All of the members of Shinra bounce around between different regions, and even continants of Gaia. What happened to other characters like Barrett, Red XIII and Yuffie if you had Cloud Tifa and Vincent in your party.

EDIT: The grief was just a very small part of it. Obviously Tifa doesn't love Aerith, and grief doesn't always equal love. Cloud and Aerith are a rational couple as is Cloud and Tifa, Vincent and Yuffie. I doubt that any character in FFVII is homosexual or bisexual.

 

[A]

I wasn't talking to you (BBM) specifically, i quoted you and addressed the issues that you brought up.

Which includes me grilling you up...?

Um, I suggest you look into it a bit more, Fenrir. First off, Cloud lived in Aerith's church for a few days, a week at most - the reason? To hide from everyone because he had his Geostigma. Looking at your statement: if Cloud loved Aerith, he lives in the church. So Tifa loves Barret because she recreated a church, which she first lived with Barret.

Also, Cloud forgot about Zack because he thought he was Zack, and that the Jenova mimicking cells caused him to mix his thoughts up - thus, suggesting that Aerith never knew the real Cloud anyways. This is a huge plot in the game Fenrir, I think everyone who plays it would know why Cloud forgot about Zack...

Your statement of Aerith being killed by Sephiroth = true love does not commute. Just because I can suggest that the writers killed off Aerith, so that way Tifa and Cloud could get together, no?

This is starting to look like the LTD thread.

EDIT: The grief was just a very small part of it. Obviously Tifa doesn't love Aerith, and grief doesn't always equal love. Cloud and Aerith are a rational couple as is Cloud and Tifa, Vincent and Yuffie. I doubt that any character in FFVII is homosexual or bisexual.

Then... possibly, what else?

 

[Tennyo]

First of all, Cloud only forgot who Zack was because he started to think that he WAS Zack, and it was only a couple of months.

Cloud was only in Aerith's church for a a week or two.

Cloud is seen visiting the site where Zack died. He has placed the Buster Sword there as a grave marker and he talks to Zack while he is there.

And no, Aerith dieing does not make her Cloud's true love. This is where plot twists come in. We were supposed to think one way but it is later revealed to us that something else was the real truth. Many stories do this all the time.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Some more reasons: The plot was slanted in the direction of the relationship, Cloud practically lived in Aeirth's church for a LONG time, and if you say that Cloud's depression over Zack's death is the same it's not. Cloud forgot who Zack was for years, even when he was referred to by name. It had been years afterward, and Cloud didn't live in a place that had centimental value concerning Zack. If he felt the same way he did about Zack as he did Aerith, he might've stayed in Shinra Tower, reminiscing about old times with his fallen comrade. Anyway (here's the big one) the writers killed Aerith off. If Cloud was gonna be with Tifa, it would've been Tifa who was killed by Sephiroth. Alas, these really belong in the LTD thread. However, I already presented spare time in which Cloud and Aerith could've gotten it on.

This is, of course, if he really WAS angsting over it for two years as you came. However, according to Case of Tifa, that just isn't true. I believe the AC prologue book also mentions he's only been there for a week or two (correct me if I'm wrong.)

What happened with Zack was his mind was completely shattered, he believed he was Zack, that Zack never existed, all just to cope with his friend dying. We had to wait until the Lifestream scene to even realize who the real Cloud was. I'd say that's pretty dramatic, personally.

 

[Makoeyes987]

This topic just got magical.

Cloud mourns Zack clearly by visiting his grave and putting flowers there.

And Cloud didn't live in Aerith's church because he loved her. It was because he was depressed. Depression is not love.

FFS, can someone lay the truth down here? Ryushikaze, would you like to do it? I cba to take this seriously cause its too old and I'm hungry.

 

[Celes Chere]

Cloud practically lived in Aeirth's church for a LONG time, and if you say that Cloud's depression over Zack's death is the same it's not.

Cloud stayed in Aerith's church, for like three weeks tops. That doesn't mean he loves her. Even so, how does this relate to Cloud sleeping with Aerith? He very well can't sleep with her when she's dead, unless you believe her spirit can somehow... nevermind. And yes, it is the exact same. I doubt Cloud could live at the place Zack died, considering it's on top of a cliff, and devoid of nature. =/ Not to mention that Cloud's mind shattered when Zack died, it mentally fucked him up.

Cloud forgot who Zack was for years, even when he was referred to by name. It had been years afterward, and Cloud didn't live in a place that had centimental value concerning Zack.

Centimental? *throws hands up in the air* Cloud forgot who Zack was, because Cloud HAD Zack's memories. Jenova/Hojo/Sephiroth/Zack dying screwed Cloud up, and that's why he didn't remember Zack, or a lot of things from his past.

If he felt the same way he did about Zack as he did Aerith, he might've stayed in Shinra Tower, reminiscing about old times with his fallen comrade.

That would be just plain awkward. Aerith's church is an actual place, and it radiates peace.

Anyway (here's the big one) the writers killed Aerith off. If Cloud was gonna be with Tifa, it would've been Tifa who was killed by Sephiroth.

Please explain how the hell that works. If they wanted Cloud to be with Aerith, they would've said Cloud opened his heart to her, that she understood him and supported the mentally weak side of him, and that he was meant to live with her.

Cloud and Aerith are a rational couple as is Cloud and Tifa

Not really, no.

 

[A]

FFS, can someone lay the truth down here? Ryushikaze, would you like to do it? I cba to take this seriously cause its too old and I'm hungry.

I concur with this statement.

 

[Fighter]

Some more reasons: The plot was slanted in the direction of the relationship, Cloud practically lived in Aeirth's church for a LONG time,

No he did not. The compilation timeline puts his departure for the church at approximately the time AC begins. He lived for two years with Tifa, and if you are going to argue about this, we are told specifically in several SE interviews that he was happy with her. He became depressed because he was afraid to loose what he has like he did throughout his life (his hometown, Zack, Aerith). and he got geostigma. Aerith is only a part of the puzzle.

...and if you say that Cloud's depression over Zack's death is the same it's not. Cloud forgot who Zack was for years, even when he was referred to by name.

Huh? You do remember he lost his memories, right?

If he felt the same way he did about Zack as he did Aerith, he might've stayed in Shinra Tower, reminiscing about old times with his fallen comrade.

We see him specifically visiting the spot where Zack died.

If Cloud was gonna be with Tifa, it would've been Tifa who was killed by Sephiroth.

What? I really want to know about this. I really really do. Please tell me more.

 

[Ⓐaron]

If Cloud was gonna be with Tifa, it would've been Tifa who was killed by Sephiroth.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

If he felt the same way he did about Zack as he did Aerith, he might've stayed in Shinra Tower, reminiscing about old times with his fallen comrade.

oh what the hell

 

[Strangelove]

Re: how long Cloud was gone

He can't really have been gone for long. It has to be long enough for people to worry, but not long enough that people would've accepted his being gone already.

So about a fortnight sounds about right.

 

[Suzaku]

Some more reasons: The plot was slanted in the direction of the relationship, Cloud practically lived in Aeirth's church for a LONG time, and if you say that Cloud's depression over Zack's death is the same it's not.

It was definitely NOT a long time. Probably no more than a couple weeks. He lived in Edge, with Tifa, Marlene, and Denzel, at Seventh Heaven for over a year and a half, and that doesn't include the time they spent together before adopting Denzel. There's only about two years between FFVII and AC.

Cloud forgot who Zack was for years, even when he was referred to by name.

Not true at all. Zack died only three months before FFVII began, and Cloud had been with him right up to the end, after which the Jenova cells in his body repaired his fractured psyche by incorporating Zack's memories and persona.

The events of FFVII took place over only about two months, and Aerith died well before it was over. Yeah, there was time for them to get it on, but it wasn't very likely.


And Cloud's grief over Aerith is roughly the same as his grief over Zack, which is to say that he blames himself for not being able to protect them. This is why the symbolic wolf appears at Zack's gravemarker, not just the Forgotten Capital and the Sector 5 Church, and why they both appear to him at the end of the movie and wave farewell as he moves on.

 

[ForceStealer]

So Tifa loves Barret because she recreated a bar, which she first lived with Barret.

heehee, when I first played FF7 all those years ago, and you first go to 7th Heaven and the way both Barret and Tifa talk to Marlene, I thought she was their daughter briefly

 

[Ryushikaze]

Some more reasons: The plot was slanted in the direction of the relationship,

Based on?

Cloud practically lived in Aeirth's church for a LONG time,

No. He literally lived with Tifa for a LONG time, and left that happiness and comfort for a short time for reasons relating to not wanting to lose that happiness.

and if you say that Cloud's depression over Zack's death is the same it's not. Cloud forgot who Zack was for years,

YEARS? Right, I'm sorry, but you fail the timeline here. Zack's death to Cloud's discovery of his own lie= 4-5 months. Tops.

even when he was referred to by name.

Because he was operating under a full personality delusion which placed himself for Zack in all of Cloud's memories.

It had been years afterward, and Cloud didn't live in a place that had centimental value concerning Zack. If he felt the same way he did about Zack as he did Aerith, he might've stayed in Shinra Tower, reminiscing about old times with his fallen comrade.

The very first time we SEE Cloud in AC is visiting the very grave HE MADE to honor the memory of Zack. The grave he visits and brings flowers to.

Anyway (here's the big one) the writers killed Aerith off. If Cloud was gonna be with Tifa, it would've been Tifa who was killed by Sephiroth.

This doesn't follow. If Cloud is to be with a woman, why would the writers kill said woman off?

Alas, these really belong in the LTD thread. However, I already presented spare time in which Cloud and Aerith could've gotten it on.

You've presented 'spare time' in which ANYTHING could happen, from hooker killings to orphan cannibalism, to Cloud and Tifa ALSO getting it on.
But none of that happened.
Cloud was oblivious to the advances of both women during disc 1 anyways.

PS I heard you Isabella, I guess it kinda is. What I was really driving at in the first post was that in the events that weren't covered, anything could've happened. Keep in mind that throughout the game, characters are constantly shifting positions on the world map. All of the members of Shinra bounce around between different regions, and even continants of Gaia. What happened to other characters like Barrett, Red XIII and Yuffie if you had Cloud Tifa and Vincent in your party.

They all had Sex with Aerith. Obviously. Because that's what you do with spare time.

EDIT: The grief was just a very small part of it. Obviously Tifa doesn't love Aerith, and grief doesn't always equal love. Cloud and Aerith are a rational couple as is Cloud and Tifa, Vincent and Yuffie.

Vin/Yu, RATIONAL COUPLE? Also, HOW are they rational, please?

I doubt that any character in FFVII is homosexual or bisexual.

Mukki would like a word.

Edit: Buggeritall. Hate those sorts of typos.

 

[ForceStealer]

He meant Vincent and Yuffie, not Vincent and Tifa.

But Vincent and Yuffie aren't rational either.

 

[Channy]

If Cloud was gonna be with Tifa, it would've been Tifa who was killed by Sephiroth.

?

 

[Makoeyes987]

I'm not understanding the relevance of your picture Channy.

 

[Channy]

That's the part where Sephiroth stabs Tifa. Well, stab may not be the right word, but clearly she was a target for death by Seph much the same as Aerith was, just in different scenarios.

Ergo, I don't get what this person is saying.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Ahh okay, I understand ^^