Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy

[Max Payne]

Wasn't offended. Your point was all asian want big eyes.

My point was, uh no they don't, kthxbai.

Generalizing a group of people is not a point, funny, witty, or classy in anyway. Which was all I was saying to you dude, nothing personal.

I dunno, sometimes it's funny, when I feel like being a dick.

 

[ShuShu]

I dunno, sometimes it's funny, when I feel like being a dick.

=P At least you admit that much.

And I'm not saying it's something that can't be done at all in a semi-funny way, but when it's such a broad, and down-right ridiculous assumption that common logic can be used to know just how mindless it is... It's pretty much lost it's class in being a 'joke' and has more or less become a generalization of people.

Which I just personally have a distaste for.

You can assume, that possibly some asians might wish they had bigger eyes, hell so do some caucasians. Most people want something changed on themselves. When remarks like this are said though, by a moderator on a forum no less, it makes this place seem a tad bit uninviting. Which isn't the greatest way to seem for a forum.

But this is off topic. :3

 

[ForceStealer]

OF COURSE ASIANS DON'T FEEL THAT WAY SHU, HOLY CRAP. You continue to prove that my point sailed over your head.

Your point was all asian want big eyes.

NO. IT. WASN'T.

Generalizing a group of people is not a point, funny, witty, or classy in anyway.

Okay. What the hell are you on about?

Here, I will be as straightforward as I know how. We were discussing how Square has been unable to keep Tifa's look consistent. The talk came up about her appearing Asian. And I said her eyes differ from scene to scene. Sometimes they look Asian, others they don't, and others they have this odd in-between quality in which they are that "almond shape" or whatever its called but enlarged. Yuffie's eyes (who actually IS supposed to be Asian) have the same quality, which I've mentioned in the past. Therefore, I was sarcastically saying that Asians must want their eyes to be bigger because why else would Square do that to characters that are asian and ones that may or may not be. Now, obviously, I couldn't say that about all Asians, so its just that Square's being weird in their design choices, again. (Ironically, having to spell it out like this makes it far less clear than what I originally said, imo. The short version is that I was being sarcastic, as evidenced by the monster.)

Now even if you weren't offended, and even if I was unclear, this may have been easier if you hadn't been so set on assuming the worst.

 

[ShuShu]

Chill out bro.

Possibly word things better in the future then, jesus.

OF COURSE ASIANS DON'T FEEL THAT WAY SHU, HOLY CRAP. You continue to prove that my point sailed over your head.

A point would have had to of been made for that to happen, good sir.

Here, I will be as straightforward as I know how. We were discussing how Square has been unable to keep Tifa's look consistent. The talk came up about her appearing Asian. And I said her eyes differ from scene to scene. Sometimes they look Asian, others they don't, and others they have this odd in-between quality in which they are that "almond shape" or whatever its called but enlarged. Yuffie's eyes (who actually IS supposed to be Asian) have the same quality, which I've mentioned in the past. Therefore, I was sarcastically saying that Asians must want their eyes to be bigger because why else would Square do that to characters that are asian and ones that may or may not be. Now, obviously, I couldn't say that about all Asians, so its just that Square's being weird in their design choices, again. (Ironically, having to spell it out like this makes it far less clear than what I originally said, imo)

Now even if you weren't offended, and even if I was unclear, this may have been easier if you hadn't been so set on assuming the worst.

That like has jack all to do with what you said dude. Again, bolded part, you said "All asians" I merely said, otherwise. It's not that big a deal, guy.

And no, what your saying now is much more clear because you aren't saying something completely bat-crazy.

I thought it was pretty much assumed Tifa was 'Asian' or whatever kind of races they have in the FF7 world. So yes, they would want her to look Asian, and I had already stated thats what they typically shoot for if so, but it's sometimes hard to make all the characters look the same.

See how I said exactly what you did without making a broad assumption about an entire race of people?

=/

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Kiro is a rather uninteresting guy. He's black, which raises a question - what is the Final Fantasy explanation for ethnic groups? It seems that black people are the only ones. Are there Chinese, or Indians or French? Is it too much to ask for a main character that's German? Would they have the same accents? Would the ethnic group be renamed since presumably Germany doesn't exist in any of the FF worlds?

 

[ForceStealer]

I thought it was pretty much assumed Tifa was 'Asian' or whatever kind of races they have in the FF7 world. So yes, they would want her to look Asian, and I had already stated thats what they typically shoot for if so, but it's sometimes hard to make all the characters look the same.

But she doesn't look Asian all the time. Only sometimes, and then sometimes looking like something else entirely. So you didn't say exactly what I did, first of all.

See how I said exactly what you did without making a broad assumption about an entire race of people?

And secondly, how many times am I going to have say that I didn't make such an assumption. You were the one assuming things.

because you aren't saying something completely bat-crazy.

I was trying to to say something crazy to insult Square.

@Drake, well Cait Sith is Scottish And Yuffie would presumably be Asian given the name, occupation and hometown. But she doesn't really look especially Asian her eyes don't look right (oh here we are again)
Everyone in XII is apparently British (though with plenty of other races as in species). Wherever Ultimecia's from does not have the letter "C." Wakka I guess is supposed to be Caribbean (even without his accent in English)? Or maybe Besaid is supposed to be Okinawa with the themes that game has going.

But yeah, I don't know. VII seems to have the most diverse humans, and even that only appears to have 3 races.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

No, Cait Sith does not have a Scottish accent, because Scotland does not exist on The Planet. In the same way Tifa does not look "asian" because there is no "Asia" territory. :p

 

[ForceStealer]

Wutain then.

 

[ShuShu]

@Forcestealer- Cool story bro. Much more interested in Drakes comment.

btw

But she doesn't look Asian all the time.

but it's sometimes hard to make all the characters look the same.

Pay more attention, if you read anything I said at all. I didn't say she looked asian all the time either, I said the exact opposite of that. I said I thought it was assumed she was, given the name, and her gestures. (Bowing as she apologizes, lets not forget she's described as 'traditional', now whats traditional to bowing in apology to people? Oh, yeah.)

Kiro is a rather uninteresting guy. He's black, which raises a question - what is the Final Fantasy explanation for ethnic groups? It seems that black people are the only ones. Are there Chinese, or Indians or French? Is it too much to ask for a main character that's German? Would they have the same accents? Would the ethnic group be renamed since presumably Germany doesn't exist in any of the FF worlds?

This comes and goes, sometimes I think it would be interesting if they did include their own ethnic groups. Then again what would each equate to? That could be a topic of speculation all in itself, but SE's always so vague I bet they'd just say it's up to interpretation so...

 

[Max Payne]

No, Cait Sith does not have a Scottish accent, because Scotland does not exist on The Planet. In the same way Tifa does not look "asian" because there is no "Asia" territory. :p

So Barret isn't black/african american?

But she doesn't look Asian all the time. Only sometimes, and then sometimes looking like something else entirely. So you didn't say exactly what I did, first of all.

More like most of the time.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

So Barret isn't black/african american?

No, he is not african-american, because neither country exists. He has darker skin than normal of course.

 

[ShuShu]

No, he is not african-american, because neither country exists. He has darker skin than normal of course.

I think it's safe to assume thats what the concept was based off of though.

When SE gets 'original' about idea's, they crank out some weird stuff. Like everything that wasn't 'huminoid' in FF10. Or was that them ripping off Star Wars?

Or floating gardens which are actually schools where they teach teenagers to become lethal death weapons.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

I think it's safe to assume thats what the concept was based off of though.

Oh certainly, the ethnic groups of the FF worlds are definitely based on real-world ethnic groups. But technically speaking, referring to them by our world's words for those groups is incorrect.

 

[ForceStealer]

@Forcestealer- Cool story bro. Much more interested in Drakes comment.

Sure wish you had just done that in the first place.

More like most of the time.

Spoiler: Maybe, but still, its kind of all over the place.

Not-Asian

Asian

In-between. This is that kinda strange eye-shape I was referring to, like it tapers back in too quickly after its widest point or something, I dunno.

As for Drake, so you were just asking if the the FF worlds have any in-universe ethnicities? I thought you were just questioning the presence of Earth-ethnicities in the games.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

As for Drake, so you were just asking if the the FF worlds have any in-universe ethnicities? I thought you were just questioning the presence of Earth-ethnicities in the games.

You assume my post had a point to begin with. I think you'll find many of my posts are made to the contrary.

 

[Max Payne]

Pretty sure Nomura mentioned races one before.

Even went on to say Rude was hispanic.

 

[ForceStealer]

Really? That's interesting. Maybe he's from Costa Del Sol?

 

[ShuShu]

Sure wish you had just done that in the first place.

Not going to tolerate mindless comments if I feel like it. Your welcome to do the same.

She looks pretty asian in all those, imo though. =/

I think he said something to the effect that Rude was South American because some people were assuming he was African American.

 

[Splintered]

No, he is not african-american, because neither country exists. He has darker skin than normal of course.

Than normal!?


...

Just kidding, enough with the faux uncomfortable outrage.

That said I have never heard of Rude being hispanic and I can't find anything that says Rude is hispanic. Always thought he was black.

Visual cues in FF are kinda hard because their faces aren't made to be completely realistic. Someone like Sazh and Barret draw on some obvious influences, but other characters like Fran, Kiros, Fang, and Reddas you've got to take a guess.

The best most people do try to pick up clues from where they come from. Would we really guess Yuffie is suppose to be more "asian" if she wasn't a ninja and from Wutai? Maybe you could make some grasping from Advent Children, but not from any other game (Kingdom Hearts, Crisis Core) or artwork.

Like I was sure than Fran is based on native american cultures, despite being a bunny girl and not a human, just because of the characteristics of the Viera. I've seen people claim that Fang is hispanic, although I always guessed a more central asian approach since her garb is based on Indian culture.

 

[looneymoon]

Idk, they all look like that willowy "Final Fantasy" race to me. A few similarities to some real world ethnicities, but with distinctions. It doesn't apply to some character of course. Barret for example looks like a real world black guy. On the other hand, while Kiros is also black he still has that "Final Fantasy" race quality I see in most of the main characters.

For the record, I always though of Cloud and Tifa as being Northern European, what with coming from a mountainous region called Nibelheim. Not like it matters but hey

 

[Max Payne]

Always thought he was black.

Why? He especially didn't look it in FF7.

 

[Splintered]

nvm, I found the quote

Why? He especially didn't look it in FF7.

No idea. I just always thought it.

 

[Max Payne]

It's cuz he's bald ain't it?

AIN'T IT?

 

[Splintered]

Wait,

you mean other races can be bald? TELEVISION YOU LIED TO ME!

 

[looneymoon]