FF7 Headcanons and Discussion

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
Very Cool Topic:

1. Cloud has a middle school education at best.

He went to Military academy (It's apparently standard for MPs, though I forget where I read that), so who knows.

3. Aeris and all Ancients are descendants of The Spirans from FFX.

Other way around, actually. The Cetra (And Red's people) are the natives, and everyone else descended from the Spirans.

4. Had Nibelheim not happened Zack would have eventually helped Cloud reach SOLDIER First Class. Cloud would win over Tifa at first, but she would eventually tire of the Shinra stooge he had become.

That assumes Zack and Cloud wouldn't have deserted on their own eventually anyways, standing for SOLDIER honor, not for ShinRa.
Or that Zack wouldn't have quit after Nibelheim anyways, since he seemed to be planning on resigning to be with Aerith.

5. Sephiroth probably knew Cloud would defeat him in the Northern Crater. The fact that he allows the party to reach him implies that he doesn't care or in fact wants to be defeated so he can enter the lifestream.

I don't think he was entirely aware they were there. He was too busy trying to apotheose into godhood, and figured Meteor would take care of everything, I think.
 

Guts

The Black Swordsman
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Aithex, Atom
Other way around? Not disputing facts, but that's a sad truth. The Spirans seemed more in tune with the dead and spiritual communication than a regular human, the Cetra would fit them like a glove.

Oh well.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Other way around? Not disputing facts, but that's a sad truth. The Spirans seemed more in tune with the dead and spiritual communication than a regular human, the Cetra would fit them like a glove.

Oh well.

Well, the dead and the spiritual are a hell of a lot easier to tune in on Spira than Gaia.
Consider that Joe Schmoe can do on Spira what it took the strongest wills on Gaia to do on said planet.
The Spirans just lost touch because their new planet's afterlife was too hard to communicate with.
 

Guts

The Black Swordsman
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Aithex, Atom
Hahaha, Fartube. Access the dead anytime and share your relatives across Spherenet.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
Plus, he says on the truck in FFVII that he and Cloud are gonna be mercenaries (after debating other things they could be). A mercenary in that world to me would suggest they were no longer going to be a part of neither Shinra nor SOLDIER. So resign, yes. See Aerith, yes. Settle down with Aerith? Most probably - not from VII alone, but when supported by CC - yes, most probably. After all they were together for 2 years or something during CC (at least over 1 year)

OT: Zack should really be a business man. First the flowers, then the mercenary thing. If he was living in our world he would probably be an Entrepreneur. Or a salesman. He'd be too restless to have an MBA :P
 
Plus, he says on the truck in FFVII that he and Cloud are gonna be mercenaries (after debating other things they could be). A mercenary in that world to me would suggest they were no longer going to be a part of neither Shinra nor SOLDIER. So resign, yes. See Aerith, yes. Settle down with Aerith? Most probably - not from VII alone, but when supported by CC - yes, most probably. After all they were together for 2 years or something during CC (at least over 1 year)

OT: Zack should really be a business man. First the flowers, then the mercenary thing. If he was living in our world he would probably be an Entrepreneur. Or a salesman. He'd be too restless to have an MBA :P

Yes, I can see he would feel like resigning after four years held captive in a test-tube. Although Shinra were evidently still keen to send him on missions, so I guess they were hoping he'd have no hard feelings. But Ishtar meant, I think, that Zack was planning on resigning before he went to Nibelheim.

I agree about being a business man or salesman. Zack would be an awesome self-made millionaire.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Yes, I can see he would feel like resigning after four years held captive in a test-tube. Although Shinra were evidently still keen to send him on missions, so I guess they were hoping he'd have no hard feelings. But Ishtar meant, I think, that Zack was planning on resigning before he went to Nibelheim.

I agree about being a business man or salesman. Zack would be an awesome self-made millionaire.

Crap, people are referring to my by the new SN. It may be time to abort.
Also, ShinRa may have simply forgotten they'd done the Nibelheim thing to him- or the department simply didn't know it had been done. Seems like their MO.

And yes, Zack having something important to tell Aerith after the mission implied proposal and resigning from where I was sitting.
 
Yeah. It seems kind of strange that if he'd been thinking of proposing marriage before Nibelheim, he wouldn't call or send her a text message or even a postcard ("Ms Aerith Gainsborough, c/o Tseng, Dept. Admin. Research, 48th Floor, 1001 Shinra Plaza, Sector 0, Midgar. Having great time biking round Western Continent with friend. Shinra make the best stuff! Off to Gongaga next to see the wrinklies. Got something important to tell them. Can you guess what? Keep it hot for me baby..."] during his months on the run.
 

Octo

KULT OF KERMITU
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Octo, Octorawk, Clarky Cat, Kissmammal2000
Yeah. It seems kind of strange that if he'd been thinking of proposing marriage before Nibelheim, he wouldn't call or send her a text message or even a postcard ("Ms Aerith Gainsborough, c/o Tseng, Dept. Admin. Research, 48th Floor, 1001 Shinra Plaza, Sector 0, Midgar. Having great time biking round Western Continent with friend. Shinra make the best stuff! Off to Gongaga next to see the wrinklies. Got something important to tell them. Can you guess what? Keep it hot for me baby..."] during his months on the run.

Yeah and then Tseng would have it 'redacted'

Ms Aerith Gainsborough, c/o Tseng, Dept. Admin. Research, 48th Floor, 1001 Shinra Plaza, Sector 0, Midgar. Having great time biking round Western Continent with friend. Shinra make the best stuff! Off to Gongaga next to see the wrinklies. Got something important to tell them. Can you guess what? Keep it hot for me baby I'm gay! Sorry I didn't tell you. No hard feelings. Farewell.

PS: Tseng is a really great guy don't you think?

:awesome:
 

Lord Noctis

Harbinger of Darkness
AKA
Caius Ballad
Don't think I've psoted in here yet. So here goes.

1.Sephiroth purposefully drew Cloud into the final battle between them at the end of FFVII, and itnended to use Cloud's body as a vessel to absorb the lfiestream in place of his own body after disposing of Cloud's spirit.

2.The reason Sephiroth didn't just kill the party when they were suspended by his Telekenesis was because he really wanted to deliver one last evil speech before offing them. Unfortunately he couldn't think of anything to say.

3.Genesis is a virgin, Angeal is not.

4.Post ACC Cloud always takes sunday off to spend time with Tifa Denzel and Marlene, and always enjoys a stiff drink with Tifa before bed.
 
Don't think I've psoted in here yet. So here goes.

1.Sephiroth purposefully drew Cloud into the final battle between them at the end of FFVII, and itnended to use Cloud's body as a vessel to absorb the lfiestream in place of his own body after disposing of Cloud's spirit.

I can go with this.

2.The reason Sephiroth didn't just kill the party when they were suspended by his Telekenesis was because he really wanted to deliver one last evil speech before offing them. Unfortunately he couldn't think of anything to say.

I love that idea.

3.Genesis is a virgin, Angeal is not.

indisputably.

4.Post ACC Cloud always takes sunday off to spend time with Tifa Denzel and Marlene, and always enjoys a stiff drink with Tifa before bed.

I hope so.
 

e.suna

little nerdling
- Barret becomes an oil baron after its use as an alternative energy source takes off. But drilling for oil pisses the planet off too, so it sends a WEAPON after him. Cloud, naturally, has to clean up the mess.

- Vincent and Nanaki remain friends after everyone else has died. When Nanaki finally dies, Vincent sticks his head in an oven.

- On a more serious note, it is TOTALLY my headcanon that Tseng and Elena get married soon after, and because of, what they went through in AC.
 

Theozilla

Kaiju Member
- Vincent and Nanaki remain friends after everyone else has died. When Nanaki finally dies, Vincent sticks his head in an oven.

Aww, not even Nanaki's cubs (and their cubs and so on...) are enough to keep Vincent to want to stick around?
 

Guts

The Black Swordsman
AKA
Aithex, Atom
Personal interpretation bullshit all of this.

It's my headcannon that Cloud is irrefutably bi or sexually confused after his potential skimp out at Honey Bee Inn and the schizophrenic nature of his brain under Jenova's influence is what makes the early him so indecisive. Sexually, mentally, romantically and as a person. I don't remember but I think Jenova was messing around with his head in that place, too.

All the characters have issues which tie them back to their identity. When Cid was forced to choose between his dream and Shera's life, he was in fact choosing between exploring his aspirations as a pilot and being human. Barret's custody issues and the farce of being Marlene's father. Cait Sith explains his by existing.

Perhaps, all of these are about accepting everything in you and being a person. Humanity, nature wins over all of them. They were all, in some way or another affected by Shinra - the Shinra who are ubiquitous with, an anthropomorphication of, corruption and dehumanization. Of forged identity. Genetic splicing.

There's an interesting book called simulacra and simulation, by a french philosopher. I prattle on about this one a lot but it talks about a world dominated primarily by symbolic representations of real things rather than those real things themselves. Maps instead of the area, brands instead of quality, language categorizing and manipulating feelings, the disconnect between money and what it represents... It's most readily apparent in, how, you could be as talented and knowledgable as someone who has completed a major for that subject field, but you need the corresponding piece of paper to be readily acknowledged as such by the simulation we live in. That simulacra is what you need.

(Oh god, that actually sounds like Cloud... He wasn't a SOLDIER by definition.)


FFVII might juxtapose a similar dilemma, with Midgar's rampant industrialisation and monopoly over Gaia. It's a world that, as with ours, violently oppresses any alternatives. Since the infrastructure of our world might end up causing it to hit a landslide at train speed by removing the brakes, invalidating democratic consentus and keeping as many of us in the dark as is possible... It's not too far from reality.

Edit: Also, I've always seen Sephiroth as a product of humanities' ignorance as well as all the other things he stands for. Shinra catalyzed him via their usual morbid desire for convenience at the expense of safety, and without such a reckless trespass of the unknown there might have been no way anyone would harness active Jenova cells. Sephiroth is a freak. A complete bastardisation and perversion of nature, a symbolic representation of going too far and ruining everything.
 
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e.suna

little nerdling
Aww, not even Nanaki's cubs (and their cubs and so on...) are enough to keep Vincent to want to stick around?
Nahh. Vincent doesn't strike me as one who would really be swayed by fluffy baby animals. :lol: Although I do like the image in my head.
 

Vivi

Jump Rope Champion
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Vivi, Setzer Gabbiani
I really enjoyed reading your post, Aithex. Especially this:

It's my headcannon that Cloud is irrefutably bi or sexually confused after his potential skimp out at Honey Bee Inn and the schizophrenic nature of his brain under Jenova's influence is what makes the early him so indecisive. Sexually, mentally, romantically and as a person. I don't remember but I think Jenova was messing around with his head in that place, too.

I genuinely believe that Cloud loved Zack, Aeris, and Tifa, so I can definitely see this.

...this is why I usually hang around the crack pairings thread.
 

Guts

The Black Swordsman
AKA
Aithex, Atom
Heh, I just like FFVII a lot. And I think about a lot of stories and how they apply to people. I don't like FFVI as much as you'd think I would or many others do though it's a great game and I know it.

There's just not a great deal to think of, fill in open ends with, and even if it's a more thoroughly polished game than FFVII it still isn't as hauntingly personal for it's time. Love that Midgar. I always liked SquallofSEED's writings, GarlandtheGreat's videos, Shademp's findings etc.

FFVI just feels rather infertile and dry comparitively.

My stomach turns whenever I see an FFVI fanboy completely misunderstand or dislike the game, a neanderthal playing it in 2009 or something, hating on the visuals and atmosphere since they were wholly experimental back then.

The worst thing? We will never get a remake with Hell Houses to shut them up.

C'mon it's a fucking mecha that uses a house like a lobster shell to trick it's prey and probably eats homeless people. Killer houses in HD = game of century. They could disguise it as a small NPC house viably and then newfags open it expecting an house to loot ala FFVI. Did I just get trolled? Boom! Nope, you nigs got HELL HOUSED!

"Oh great, FF isn't what it used to be, this house isn't even unlo- Holy cows!" Oh it's unlockable, it's a door to HELL! Mimics, those fuckers are low tier. Real men spike houses.

Kefka fans and people into more charismatic villains in general would disagree all around but I love Sephiroth as a villain. He's someone the cast intimately gets to know on the buildup over many years, a powerful god who's untimely achilles heel is a petty human grudge.

My headcannon with his motives were that he's trying to eliminate individuality and the struggle between people by forming a gigantic lifestream omniconscious.
 
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Ite

Save your valediction (she/her)
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Ite
One could argue that the Jenova/Sephiroth ambiguity is emblematic of a struggle between humanity and UNhumanity, and that Seph's tragic flaw was submitting to her will.

Unfortunately, that's no longer up for debate. Thanks compilation. I miss the 90s.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
4.Post ACC Cloud always takes sunday off to spend time with Tifa Denzel and Marlene, and always enjoys a stiff drink with Tifa before bed.
fixed!

Edit: Just realized what that can actually mean in English (other than the meaning I was hinting at). I am so linguistically challenged :lol: Still kinda funny, though.
Except it all became kinda morbid. Well yesterday was Halloween, after all...
 

Guts

The Black Swordsman
AKA
Aithex, Atom
We all do. We all do. The 90s got Hell Housed. We thought it was a good game after we beat it then it unveiled itself as an ugly monster later on.

Those who submit easily to power, corruption and inhumanity in FFVII tend to become enemies of all else, yeah. Cid as a pilot, in that one instance, would've also been Shera's murderer. In both renditions of Sephy, Jenova was a corruption of what he was and caused by Hojo's scientific curiosity. Following the other and now disproven possibility, he submitted to her, he was a second catalyst indeed.

A human losing the struggle all of Shinra's consumers do, consumed by temptation, the difference being that he becomes an apocalyptic god.

It still fits ok with canon though. He went mad even so, felt dehumanized by his own nature and warmly embraced it.

I still believe Aeris struggled between her as an adventurous flower girl and her as a Cetra. Sometimes, I believe she was banking on dying, which is way more of an asspull than most headcannon and probably does not qualify as mere interpretation.

Cloud in AC and I feel, in the original game, draws immense power from Aeris as Sephiroth does from Jenova. Be it physical like in AC or mental like in FFVII. Both their totems of might and resource are dead, but one represents a very natural and symbiotic bond with nature... The other is an alien corruption revived by an industrial embodiment of corrupt tampering.

90s theory would have Cloud resisting his corruption and Sephiroth submitting entirely, recent versions still allot Sephiroth free will to have decided what was important.
 
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Marle

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Ava, Spike Spiegel, Stella Nox Fleuret, Altair Ibn-La'Ahad, Princess Zelda, Alice, Raven Roth, Faye Valentine, Tifa Lockhart, Khal Drogo
Tifa and Aerith combined would have created the ultimate FF female heroine.

Vincent is Sephiroth's father.

Denzel is the kid Zack and Aerith would have had if they ever did reproduce.

Firmly believe if Zack had lived, he and Aerith would have run away together and lived their lives in secret with secret identities to hide from ShinRa.

Cloud spied on Tifa from his window while she changed and probably masturbated, too

He also most likey has an entire collection of Tifa panties hidden somewhere in his room. He happened to bring some along while he was training to become a SOLDIER. It was the only way he reminded himself he was straight while so far away from her and with sexy ass Zack making him question his sexuality

:D
 
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