FFVII Iceberg

[Odysseus]

Hey kids, I know I'm late to the meme, but I thought it could be fun to make an FF7 Iceberg list like the famous Super Mario 64 one. I know people here know quite a bit about deep FF7 lore, in game and out, so I figured it could be a group project. This is mostly based on the original game, stuff from the compilation could fill a list all on its own. Here's what I made so far:

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I know there's a ton of stuff I'm forgetting, especially dumb fan rumors for the bottom, so help would be appreciated.
EDIT:
Final Final version of the image maybe

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[KindOfBlue]

I don’t understand how this meme works but it looks like fun

 

[Makoeyes987]

Where the hell is FFX and FFVII are in the same universe????

 

[Odysseus]

I don’t understand how this meme works but it looks like fun

Okay basically, the iceberg serves as a scale of "common knowledge" to "obscure knowledge" to made up bullshit what THEY don't want you to know. So the stuff at the top is things most people would know about FF7, and as you get lower the more niche the knowledge becomes. Like, most people know the infamous "This guy are sick" line, but they might not know about the debug room, or that Rude won't attack Tifa in battle, or that FF7 is Square's secret team up with Al Gore to spread environmentalist propaganda.

 

[Odysseus]

Where the hell is FFX and FFVII are in the same universe????

AH SHIT THERE'S ONE

 

[looneymoon]

99 tissues

 

[Odysseus]

Okay here's the updated version

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That's all I got in my brain, but I know damn well there's more stuff to put on here. I need more in-game details for the 3rd and 4th sections, and more weird shit for the last three.

99 tissues

What's this?

 

[Makoeyes987]

This is beautiful.

I love it.

You should also put, "Jenova was controlling Sephiroth all along near the bottom."

 

[Odysseus]

You should also put, "Jenova was controlling Sephiroth all along near the bottom."

Mako, you're good at this. Gimme MOAR

 

[Ite]

This is beautiful.

I love it.

You should also put, "Jenova was controlling Sephiroth all along” near the *top*

ftfy *monster*

 

[looneymoon]

What's this?

I might be misremembering, but I think this was a key component to the Ben Lansing Aeris revival rumour?

I can't seem to find the whole story online though (The FF7 Citadel links seem to be broken).

Also - Cheese Weapon

 

[Odysseus]

I might be misremembering, but I think this was a key component to the Ben Lansing Aeris revival rumour?

I can't seem to find the whole story online though (The FF7 Citadel links seem to be broken).

Also - Cheese Weapon

Researching this led me to the best page ever
https://ff7rumors.tripod.com/monsters.html
And I do think I remember 99 tissues being linked to some Aerith revival rumor. Fuck it, it can go on the iceberg, More shit the merrier.

 

[looneymoon]

Researching this led me to the best page ever
https://ff7rumors.tripod.com/monsters.html
And I do think I remember 99 tissues being linked to some Aerith revival rumor. Fuck it, it can go on the iceberg, More shit the merrier.

I found the thing I was trying to remember.

http://tireball.com/ff7/ff7/lansing.html#lie

 

[Makoeyes987]

Mako, you're good at this. Gimme MOAR

As you wish

The Knights of the Round are the Cetrans who originally defeated and sealed Jenova in the Northern Crater.

The name of the planet is Gaea, and the Gaean Cliffs prove this.

The FFVII characters in Kingdom Hearts are from the FFVII world, and Cloud is searching for Aerith because she reincarnated there. This was believed for brief moment until actually playing the game and dialogue proved otherwise.

 

[Odysseus]

You guys are giving me the good stuff now lol. I'm gonna need to add another layer at this rate. I'm not including any Kingdom Hearts though.

 

[KindOfBlue]

Most of what I can think of comes from the compilation especially the remake and since a lot of remake theories are yet to be verified, it might be a bit tricky to factor that in...

I know there’s some debate (mainly shipping-related) on whether Cloud has Zack’s memories or whether or not Cloud’s feelings for Aerith are influenced by Zack somehow, but I’m not sure where that would fit on the iceberg

or that FF7 is Square's secret team up with Al Gore to spread environmentalist propaganda.

...is this actually a thing people believe...?

 

[Odysseus]

...is this actually a thing people believe...?

No I made that up to be goofy. The original SM64 iceberg has "Super Mario 64 is Freemason initiation" on it so I was trying to think of a comparable bit of nonsense.

I know there’s some debate (mainly shipping-related) on whether Cloud has Zack’s memories or whether or not Cloud’s feelings for Aerith are influenced by Zack somehow, but I’m not sure where that would fit on the iceberg

I stuck LTD at the top as a catchall for shipping stuff.

 

[Lex]

This would be a neat thing to throw up on TLS social media if you wouldn't mind Ody? We'll credit you of course

 

[Odysseus]

This would be a neat thing to throw up on TLS social media if you wouldn't mind Ody? We'll credit you of course

That was secretly my plan all along sure once I'm done you can go ahead, that sounds like fun. Say, you've been around the block, Lex. Do you have a suggestion?

 

[Odysseus]

Okay, well barring any further suggestions (I'll leave some time, incase I think of anything else either) I'd say this thing is good.

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I'd love more dumb stuff for the bottom though.

I have an explanation for absolutely all of these.

 

[Ryushikaze]

You forgot Vincent was Originally Sephiroth, and Sephiroth was originally Tifa's Brother (to go along with Tia and Aerith were one character) way at the bottom below the iceberg.

Also, is that a picture of "Hojo" from FF7 House?

 

[Odysseus]

You forgot Vincent was Originally Sephiroth, and Sephiroth was originally Tifa's Brother (to go along with Tia and Aerith were one character) way at the bottom below the iceberg.

I should probably mention Sephiroth being Vincent, but I think that mentioning the Tifa one is a little redundant.

Also, is that a picture of "Hojo" from FF7 House?

(DO NOT RESEARCH)
...
yeah

 

[KindOfBlue]

(DO NOT RESEARCH)

Unfortunately, I looked into this after I first learned about it a few months ago and well, it was...interesting, to say the least

 

[Shademp]

Junon gas chamber once had an H.R. Giger-esque design. Square hired Kusanagi to design the FF7 backgrounds and in the book "Kusanagi IV" you can see some of their drawings for FF7, FF8 and FF9. On page 21 you can see a heavily different version of the Junon gas room. The alternate version of the rocket cockpit is pretty neat too.


Transcription and DeepL translations of Sue Kusanagi's commentary from page 21.

上：ジュノン　ガス室　イベン
トの趣旨に合わなかったので、
かなり修正されたものがゲーム
画面に使用されています。やり
過ぎた例です。（須江）

Above: Junon Gas Chamber
A much modified version is used for the game screen,
as it did not fit the purpose of the event.
This is an example of overkill. (Sue)



右：ロケット村　ロケットのコッ
クピット　発注時点で使用する
か微妙な状況で、結局この場所
はゲーム画面には使用されませ
んでした。貴重な未発表作品で
す。（須江）

Right: Rocket Town Rocket Cockpit
It was a delicate situation to use this location at the time of ordering,
and in the end it was not used for the game screen.
This is a valuable unpublished work. (Sue)


Final version of the gas chamber, "junbin5":

 

[Odysseus]

Wow that gas chamber is terrifying. Definitely gotta include that.