pollenainne
Pro Adventurer
Uhm... this is just chapter 4 though... you do know what happens to Jessie right? We have 18 chapters... how can anyone say Jessie competes with Tifa just because she is given a chapter? That is absurd...
SPOILERS FFVII:R Chapter 4 Spoiler Discussion
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Shademp
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I very much appreciate the choice that Jessie is no longer part of the Reactor 5 raid. I've come as far as the beginning of Chapter 6 and I have some faith that before the game is over I will feel a satisfyingly close investment towards Tifa. (Yes pollenainne, I do know what happens to Jessie 
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My current suspicion though is that they quite simply made Jessie TOO interesting (at least for me). She grabs almost every scene she is in and has a liveliness and energy that Tifa never matches. If I try harder I can remember some of the great dialogue between Cloud and Tifa while I was doing all the sidequests, but therein I think lies the proof: I have to actively try and remember Tifa. Jessie is front and center, easy to remember.
)My current suspicion though is that they quite simply made Jessie TOO interesting (at least for me). She grabs almost every scene she is in and has a liveliness and energy that Tifa never matches. If I try harder I can remember some of the great dialogue between Cloud and Tifa while I was doing all the sidequests, but therein I think lies the proof: I have to actively try and remember Tifa. Jessie is front and center, easy to remember.
Eerie
Fire and Blood
It's not me, but Shademp and a few I have seen playing who made the remark, and in the end I think it's more because of Jessie's characterisation plus the fact that ch4 is all about her and you do get overwhelmed with information with her because that's pretty much the only time you can get it. But I'm feeling frustrated because of how it's done, rather than the rest. I have no fear for Tifa, she'll get plenty of quality time, but just.. it makes one wonder, when several people notice that.
pollenainne
Pro Adventurer
I think that depends on the type of character that grabs your attention. Personality-wise, I always thought Tifa had always been low-key. That was how her character was made. So yes, she can be shadowed by more zesty ones if you are into that type. Instead Tifa is a steady pillar of support. I do like the "Jessie" characteristics more so I understand if we are talking personality-wise and not screen time.
But then I can say the same thing about Zack. I love Zack but he overshadows Cloud and there is really nothing I can do about that...
But then I can say the same thing about Zack. I love Zack but he overshadows Cloud and there is really nothing I can do about that...
Teioh
Pro Adventurer
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I think the Training Ground Bonus may have been the extra 100 gil you got at the end of battle? The enemies themselves only gave a small amount of gil iirc but I was tempted to farm them because of the 100 gil awarded each time.
I was wondering what it said! Thanks Shademp 
Erotic Materia
[CONFUSED SCREAMING]
My favorite part in the game so far:
Wedge: Why you gotta be such a hard-ass, bro?
Cloud: I ain't your bro. *Shoves Wedge off into freefall*
I have to admit, a lot of the scenes have been really cringy for me. But that piece was gold.
Wedge: Why you gotta be such a hard-ass, bro?
Cloud: I ain't your bro. *Shoves Wedge off into freefall*
I have to admit, a lot of the scenes have been really cringy for me. But that piece was gold.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
So let's talk about the guest appearance of muthafuckin' old school BEFORE CRISIS AVALANCHE!!!!
"Our holier-than-thou friends from the old guard...It's always their way or the highway. Lately they've been a real pain in the ass...Word is they've cut a deal with Wutai...Promised 'em all the materia in Midgar, apparently."
The AVALANCHE troops in the Remake look exactly the same, except their face masks are up.
So who's runnin' this outfit now? It can't be Verdot or Elfe.... Who could be left? Could it be Shalua? Someone new?
And it's great to know the hunger for materia is still alive and strong in the Kisaragi family.
What a nostalgia bomb.
This chapter was incredible. It was so great working with Biggs, and Wedge. And getting to see more of Jessie.
And sign me the fuck up for the Roche fan club. That man fucking made me laugh out loud. That was a fun as hell boss fight. I was thoroughly amused and impressed.
"Our holier-than-thou friends from the old guard...It's always their way or the highway. Lately they've been a real pain in the ass...Word is they've cut a deal with Wutai...Promised 'em all the materia in Midgar, apparently."
The AVALANCHE troops in the Remake look exactly the same, except their face masks are up.
So who's runnin' this outfit now? It can't be Verdot or Elfe.... Who could be left? Could it be Shalua? Someone new?
And it's great to know the hunger for materia is still alive and strong in the Kisaragi family.
What a nostalgia bomb.
This chapter was incredible. It was so great working with Biggs, and Wedge. And getting to see more of Jessie.
And sign me the fuck up for the Roche fan club. That man fucking made me laugh out loud. That was a fun as hell boss fight. I was thoroughly amused and impressed.
Erotic Materia
[CONFUSED SCREAMING]
Oh man, on that we are completely at odds. I hated everything about Roche. His ridiculous banter, his over-the-top motorcycle riding, and his insane cockiness even after getting his ass handed to him.
Also how the hell did he show up with a completely fixed bike only a couple hours after cloud drove his goddamn sword through it?
Nah. Roche can suck it, I say.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
He totally felt like a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure character which I find simply hilarious. He was a great boss given his cockiness. I love his honor too, wanting a fair fight and healing you up. I do wonder if we'll ever see him again.
The fact that all took place in a single night blows my mind lol Cloud's comment to Wedge before parachuting was pretty hilarious too.
The fact that all took place in a single night blows my mind lol Cloud's comment to Wedge before parachuting was pretty hilarious too.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
One thing I forgot to mention that caught my attention.
When it's night in the Sector 7 Slums, if you go back to where the daycare (I'm assuming that's what it is, it's where all the kids play and have makeshift teachers watch over them and stuff) there's a little NPC girl there who says she's sick, not supposed to be out but snuck out anyways, and apparently has no friends. She says this and then declares Cloud her friend.
Is there any significance to this girl? She only appears at night during that time. I have not found her during the day at all.
When it's night in the Sector 7 Slums, if you go back to where the daycare (I'm assuming that's what it is, it's where all the kids play and have makeshift teachers watch over them and stuff) there's a little NPC girl there who says she's sick, not supposed to be out but snuck out anyways, and apparently has no friends. She says this and then declares Cloud her friend.
Is there any significance to this girl? She only appears at night during that time. I have not found her during the day at all.
Odysseus
Ninja Potato
- AKA
- Ody
ohmygodohmygodohmygod this fucking chapter!
This was everything I could have ever wanted it to be! A whole chapter focused on Jessie! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
I knew we were going to visit her parents, but that was not what I was expecting. Her joining Avalanche because of what they did to her dad, and her fear that his essence will be burned up as Mako, that's like... a lot. I was really surprised. Having to sneak into her comatose father's room and steal his ID, meanwhile getting a few little glimpses into her life... wow. I really liked how this chapter also had Cloud develope as a character, and start to break through his icy exterior. The dude is a real sweetheart deep down. Was surprised they moved the "promise" scene to here, but I think the pay-off worked nicely. I like how Cloud has clearly become more fond of the trio by the end of the chapter, he's Wedge's bro now lol. Fuck, I am not fucking ready for the plate fall, Jesus.
I know Jessie doesn't have much more after this probably, and while that does make me sad, I'm really grateful for what we got. I know a certain someone might be dissapointed with elements of the chapter, but damn am I happy. Fuck. I've been awake for 21 hours now, I think its time I stopped for the day. Chapter 5 tomorrow!
Also Roche was radical, fuck you guys.
This was everything I could have ever wanted it to be! A whole chapter focused on Jessie! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa!
I knew we were going to visit her parents, but that was not what I was expecting. Her joining Avalanche because of what they did to her dad, and her fear that his essence will be burned up as Mako, that's like... a lot. I was really surprised. Having to sneak into her comatose father's room and steal his ID, meanwhile getting a few little glimpses into her life... wow. I really liked how this chapter also had Cloud develope as a character, and start to break through his icy exterior. The dude is a real sweetheart deep down. Was surprised they moved the "promise" scene to here, but I think the pay-off worked nicely. I like how Cloud has clearly become more fond of the trio by the end of the chapter, he's Wedge's bro now lol. Fuck, I am not fucking ready for the plate fall, Jesus.
I know Jessie doesn't have much more after this probably, and while that does make me sad, I'm really grateful for what we got. I know a certain someone might be dissapointed with elements of the chapter, but damn am I happy. Fuck. I've been awake for 21 hours now, I think its time I stopped for the day. Chapter 5 tomorrow!
Also Roche was radical, fuck you guys.
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Jimmy XH
Pro Adventurer
The story element of this chapter was exactly what I wanted and more from this remake.
It’s a simple concept, wannabe actress in the Gold Saucer, but even that is just such a lovely little nugget of info that alludes to a memorable area of the game and fleshes out a character who got very little airtime in the OG.
She might not have made it in the Gold Saucer but she’s stealing the show for me.
It’s a simple concept, wannabe actress in the Gold Saucer, but even that is just such a lovely little nugget of info that alludes to a memorable area of the game and fleshes out a character who got very little airtime in the OG.
She might not have made it in the Gold Saucer but she’s stealing the show for me.
Keveh Kins
Pun Enthusiast
Roche is that obnoxious kid in highschool who thought he was hot shit but was really just full of it... On a motorcycle.
I got a real 'Jay from the Inbetweeners' vibe from him. He tries altogether too hard, much like Cloud does trying to be all badass. Roche just tries in a different way and turns hinself up to what he thinks is an 11 but is actually more of a 6, 7 tops.
The little 3rd class that couldn't, knows he never will, but still tells himself he's great
He annoys me immensely, which in my opinion makes his character so far a success.
I got a real 'Jay from the Inbetweeners' vibe from him. He tries altogether too hard, much like Cloud does trying to be all badass. Roche just tries in a different way and turns hinself up to what he thinks is an 11 but is actually more of a 6, 7 tops.
The little 3rd class that couldn't, knows he never will, but still tells himself he's great
He annoys me immensely, which in my opinion makes his character so far a success.
Erotic Materia
[CONFUSED SCREAMING]
While I heartily disagree with you about Roche, that made me laugh
ForceStealer
Double Growth
I always knew Jessie wasn't t-posing
jeronimus
Lv. 25 Adventurer
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- Mostly Simple
The monster hunting quests are a logical reinterpretation of the OG's random battles - so this chapter is really the first time the Remake comes up with something that's completely new. I think overall I'm enthusiastic, but it's not without it's flaws.
Roche is absolutely terrible. I love him. The fact that everyone else thinks he's the worst is what makes him work.
I really like all of the ideas in this chapter, but the execution is a bit messy at times. The flashback to the promise comes out of nowhere - it's especially odd because this part is focussing so much on the Avalanche three. The Tifa story beat just feels out of place. Likewise before that, I felt genuinely tense about the fact that someone had taken out the Shinra guards, but then that didn't really factor into what happened afterwards. ("Hey, you can go train over there!" felt super weird.)
Love the idea of sneaking into a Shinra facility without necessarily blowing it up. Loved the scene of Cloud stealing the ID card with the off-screen dialogue during dinner.
May have been my own fault but Ifrit's potential felt wasted. By the time the game offered to let me summon him, there weren't that many enemies left. A new cutscene triggered before he could actually leave, so he was just suddenly gone. That felt underwhelming and it felt like a pretty bad place to use a summon for the first time.
I also felt like the battle camera was suddenly acting terrible during this chapter. During the onslaught of enemies in the Shinra facility, it got locked in place and refused to let me readjust. Same thing happened during the ghost fight at the end of the chapter.
And those ghosts were certainly out in full force! I am still not convinced they're a meaningful addition, especially with how massive they made the attack look and how much the characters have to then just suddenly completely ignore what happened to move on with the actual plot. Especially if their goal was seemingly just to get Jessie to trip up, they could've done that much earlier without revealing themselves. Especially interesting because one shows up, invisibly, in the previous chapter when it's decided Cloud isn't coming. In terms of foreshadowing, the scene with Cloud's neighbour in chapter three to me is still the most valuable addition to the story so far.
Overall, lots of positives, but also a few bits that didn't play well for me.
Roche is absolutely terrible. I love him. The fact that everyone else thinks he's the worst is what makes him work.
I really like all of the ideas in this chapter, but the execution is a bit messy at times. The flashback to the promise comes out of nowhere - it's especially odd because this part is focussing so much on the Avalanche three. The Tifa story beat just feels out of place. Likewise before that, I felt genuinely tense about the fact that someone had taken out the Shinra guards, but then that didn't really factor into what happened afterwards. ("Hey, you can go train over there!" felt super weird.)
Love the idea of sneaking into a Shinra facility without necessarily blowing it up. Loved the scene of Cloud stealing the ID card with the off-screen dialogue during dinner.
May have been my own fault but Ifrit's potential felt wasted. By the time the game offered to let me summon him, there weren't that many enemies left. A new cutscene triggered before he could actually leave, so he was just suddenly gone. That felt underwhelming and it felt like a pretty bad place to use a summon for the first time.
I also felt like the battle camera was suddenly acting terrible during this chapter. During the onslaught of enemies in the Shinra facility, it got locked in place and refused to let me readjust. Same thing happened during the ghost fight at the end of the chapter.
And those ghosts were certainly out in full force! I am still not convinced they're a meaningful addition, especially with how massive they made the attack look and how much the characters have to then just suddenly completely ignore what happened to move on with the actual plot. Especially if their goal was seemingly just to get Jessie to trip up, they could've done that much earlier without revealing themselves. Especially interesting because one shows up, invisibly, in the previous chapter when it's decided Cloud isn't coming. In terms of foreshadowing, the scene with Cloud's neighbour in chapter three to me is still the most valuable addition to the story so far.
Overall, lots of positives, but also a few bits that didn't play well for me.
Keveh Kins
Pun Enthusiast
I think this might be my favourite addition to the story so far. The real Avalanche trio:
Odysseus
Ninja Potato
- AKA
- Ody
I forgot to mention earlier, but its really funny that Jessie's last name is Rasberry! It was a very "Oh! ...Okay." moment for me. Like, At least up through chapter 10 Biggs and Wedge still don't have full names, but she does. Its obvious they want you to form a connection with her, maybe this was to further that end? I like it, anyway.
Jairus
Author of FFVII: Lifestream & FFVII: Reflections
Just finished the chapter a little bit ago, and I have to admit, many of my fears were unjustified. There was so much good stuff here, and many great Clessie moments - finding out about her past and her dad and how that's what starts to soften Cloud, how he has to convince himself that helping her is just another mission when you can clearly hear the doubt in his voice (also a sign of possible attraction on his end, else the doubt wouldn't have been there). Also, the dinner invite at the end was great, and it makes you wonder what might've happened with her if he'd been able to make it. There are also other subtle signs of possible attraction toward her on Cloud's end throughout many of his interactions with her (just watch his eye contact, for instance), but I think it's done in such a way that there's room to see it how you want to see it. If you want see him as not interested, it can work. If you do think he's developing a little interest in her, their interactions can show that, too. So see it however you want.
I loved the hug she gave him, he was awkward of course, but he didn't pull her off right away either even though he's clearly strong enough to have done it if he had really wanted to. And his concern for her after the ghost attack and how he carried her inside the bar was just the kind of thing I'd been hoping for. The same with him encouraging her before setting out for Reactor 5. And Wedge's comment doesn't bother me so much now, either. He didn't seem overly serious when he was saying it, and he never directly referenced her flirting. I did wonder about it, though, but when she reminded Cloud about their dinner date (yes, I see it as a date, and I'm sure she did, too), that told me that her attraction was genuine and that her flirting with him came, at least by then, from real interest in him. If it hadn't been, she wouldn't have done that.
And I loved seeing how Cloud bonded with the guys. It was great to see Biggs and Wedge developed and backing Cloud up in the warehouse battle, and Cloud's reaction to Wedge saving him from the sweeper was a sight to see. I loved how he was willing to walk him home after they landed, something he never would have done at the start of the game. Wedge and his cats, that's just great characterization and development, as is Biggs' tendency to worry and overthink. It was nice that Jessie fought in the ghost battle, I just wish Cloud could've had a solo mission with her. But I'm still very happy with what I did see, so it's all good. And speaking of Jessie, after all I've seen, I have only one thing to say about her:
The plate collapse is going to be so hard now, even more than it already was (and I have my own personal reasons for that unrelated to the game itself). I'm honestly dreading it. It's been the thing I've been simultaneously most anxious/afraid to see for months, and now it's even worse. SE are sadists, I tell ya.
I loved the hug she gave him, he was awkward of course, but he didn't pull her off right away either even though he's clearly strong enough to have done it if he had really wanted to. And his concern for her after the ghost attack and how he carried her inside the bar was just the kind of thing I'd been hoping for. The same with him encouraging her before setting out for Reactor 5. And Wedge's comment doesn't bother me so much now, either. He didn't seem overly serious when he was saying it, and he never directly referenced her flirting. I did wonder about it, though, but when she reminded Cloud about their dinner date (yes, I see it as a date, and I'm sure she did, too), that told me that her attraction was genuine and that her flirting with him came, at least by then, from real interest in him. If it hadn't been, she wouldn't have done that.
And I loved seeing how Cloud bonded with the guys. It was great to see Biggs and Wedge developed and backing Cloud up in the warehouse battle, and Cloud's reaction to Wedge saving him from the sweeper was a sight to see. I loved how he was willing to walk him home after they landed, something he never would have done at the start of the game. Wedge and his cats, that's just great characterization and development, as is Biggs' tendency to worry and overthink. It was nice that Jessie fought in the ghost battle, I just wish Cloud could've had a solo mission with her. But I'm still very happy with what I did see, so it's all good. And speaking of Jessie, after all I've seen, I have only one thing to say about her:
The plate collapse is going to be so hard now, even more than it already was (and I have my own personal reasons for that unrelated to the game itself). I'm honestly dreading it. It's been the thing I've been simultaneously most anxious/afraid to see for months, and now it's even worse. SE are sadists, I tell ya.
Mayo Master
Pro Adventurer
Impressions on chapter 4!
- Really enjoyed that we got completely new content!!!
- Roche is a complete nutjob. Even the Shinra troopers knew to stay away from him (even though they're supposed to be on the same side). The sort of guy that you enjoy to hate. I absolutely destroyed him on the motorcycle, and then butchered him during his "duel", it felt great. Pretty sure that on his next appearance everybody (heroes, villains, NPCs, players) will roll their eyes and say "oh, it's him. Yeah, just let him do his thing, don't worry about him too much."
- Really enjoyed how Cloud started to bond with the other Avalanche members. "I'm not your bro"
- Surprised that Could reminisced about The Promise at this point. Although, as you've said in the thread, it made sense that "Remake Tifa" wouldn't have used it as leverage to enlist Cloud. I liked that Cloud came to this realization himself, although I think the moment of realization was awkwardly placed.
- Loved to see Top-side of Sector 7!!
- Jessie's mom's pizza being called the "Midgar special", that's gold.
- Spouse disliked how forward Jessie was behaving towards Cloud. She was like "does she keep a list of her male conquests, or what?" - she tends to dislike women who make themselves "too available".
- Spouse completely fangirled about Wedge at the end of the chapter. She really admired that "This man loves cats, enjoys great food, and is always trying to achieve something beyond his means".
- The presence of the Guardians of Fate has increased my Qu'est-ce que fuck? level. And I got the roster change I was suspecting at the end of Chapter 3 for the 2nd Bombing mission. I liked how this was built into the narrative.
- Really enjoyed that we got completely new content!!!
- Roche is a complete nutjob. Even the Shinra troopers knew to stay away from him (even though they're supposed to be on the same side). The sort of guy that you enjoy to hate. I absolutely destroyed him on the motorcycle, and then butchered him during his "duel", it felt great. Pretty sure that on his next appearance everybody (heroes, villains, NPCs, players) will roll their eyes and say "oh, it's him. Yeah, just let him do his thing, don't worry about him too much."
- Really enjoyed how Cloud started to bond with the other Avalanche members. "I'm not your bro"
- Surprised that Could reminisced about The Promise at this point. Although, as you've said in the thread, it made sense that "Remake Tifa" wouldn't have used it as leverage to enlist Cloud. I liked that Cloud came to this realization himself, although I think the moment of realization was awkwardly placed.
- Loved to see Top-side of Sector 7!!
- Jessie's mom's pizza being called the "Midgar special", that's gold.
- Spouse disliked how forward Jessie was behaving towards Cloud. She was like "does she keep a list of her male conquests, or what?" - she tends to dislike women who make themselves "too available".
- Spouse completely fangirled about Wedge at the end of the chapter. She really admired that "This man loves cats, enjoys great food, and is always trying to achieve something beyond his means".
- The presence of the Guardians of Fate has increased my Qu'est-ce que fuck? level. And I got the roster change I was suspecting at the end of Chapter 3 for the 2nd Bombing mission. I liked how this was built into the narrative.
Jairus
Author of FFVII: Lifestream & FFVII: Reflections
Went back and got the Biker Boy trophy and... holy moly, she really did it! That reward she gave him!
I'm still giddy over seeing that, and that one moment alone completely makes up for her not being on the Sector 5 mission and the other things from the OG that she didn't have here as well as not being able to get the flower. Oh, man, it's like SE read my mind about everything I wanted to see between them in the remake and did it! I'm all like...
Still a little hard to believe SE actually did it, but they did. I take back every criticism I've made about them over this whole thing. I completely and totally jumped the gun on it. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. But they really did do it. Suffice it to say, I'm VERY happy right now, hehe. Thank you, SE. You've just made my whole day.
In the words of Quina: "I... so happy."
I'm still giddy over seeing that, and that one moment alone completely makes up for her not being on the Sector 5 mission and the other things from the OG that she didn't have here as well as not being able to get the flower. Oh, man, it's like SE read my mind about everything I wanted to see between them in the remake and did it! I'm all like...
Still a little hard to believe SE actually did it, but they did. I take back every criticism I've made about them over this whole thing. I completely and totally jumped the gun on it. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. But they really did do it. Suffice it to say, I'm VERY happy right now, hehe. Thank you, SE. You've just made my whole day.
In the words of Quina: "I... so happy."