Final Fantasy XII
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Arianna
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Re: FF12
[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=340.msg21270#msg21270 date=1235257505]
lol You guys I just noticed something. I was reading through the FFXII strategy guide and there is a screen shot of the Strahl taking off from the Aerodome with a caption about how the pirates need more ninjas.
It made ma laugh. XD
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What?! What page? I've got to see this...!!!
Of course, there's a lot of little details that one can and probably should look for.
... More reasons to go back to play again and again and again ...
SE knows us toooooooo well.
[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=340.msg21270#msg21270 date=1235257505]
lol You guys I just noticed something. I was reading through the FFXII strategy guide and there is a screen shot of the Strahl taking off from the Aerodome with a caption about how the pirates need more ninjas.
It made ma laugh. XD
[/quote]
What?! What page? I've got to see this...!!!
Of course, there's a lot of little details that one can and probably should look for.
... More reasons to go back to play again and again and again ...
SE knows us toooooooo well.
Arianna
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Re: FF12
I'm going to leave this as a double post due to the time lapse; I hope this is okay. Please inform if it's not...
Right now, I'm leveling up (around 56 for everyone), completing hunts (Phon Coast Hunt Club as well as Clan Hunts/Elite Clan Hunts), gathering Espers, and also pursuing the Nebra fishing. I have learned that my eye-hand co-ordination is still lacking.
The next in-story stop for me is Geruvegan.
I noticed a mistake! When you fight Trickster, and use Balthier's Element of Trechery (level 3 Mist), a yellow chocobo is pictured instead of a white one.
I'm going to leave this as a double post due to the time lapse; I hope this is okay. Please inform if it's not...
Right now, I'm leveling up (around 56 for everyone), completing hunts (Phon Coast Hunt Club as well as Clan Hunts/Elite Clan Hunts), gathering Espers, and also pursuing the Nebra fishing. I have learned that my eye-hand co-ordination is still lacking.
The next in-story stop for me is Geruvegan.
I noticed a mistake! When you fight Trickster, and use Balthier's Element of Trechery (level 3 Mist), a yellow chocobo is pictured instead of a white one.
Tennyo
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Re: FF12
It could just look yellow because of the glowing lines all over the place from the symbols.
Also, I have the collector's guide, but I assume this will be the same for the regular one as well. The comment about how the pirate departure needs more ninjas is part of the "100 Secrets of FFXII" section.
It could just look yellow because of the glowing lines all over the place from the symbols.
Also, I have the collector's guide, but I assume this will be the same for the regular one as well. The comment about how the pirate departure needs more ninjas is part of the "100 Secrets of FFXII" section.
Arianna
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Re: FF12
[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=340.msg27653#msg27653 date=1236303405]Also, I have the collector's guide, but I assume this will be the same for the regular one as well. The comment about how the pirate departure needs more ninjas is part of the "100 Secrets of FFXII" section.
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I have the collector's guide; Ashe. Which one do you have? Mine's also falling apart. I so take care of my guidebooks. ;D
Hmmmm... I'll have to read that; see if I can find that tonight. I want to do some more playing. Gods - why are video games so freakin' (awesome!) addictive?!
[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=340.msg27653#msg27653 date=1236303405]Also, I have the collector's guide, but I assume this will be the same for the regular one as well. The comment about how the pirate departure needs more ninjas is part of the "100 Secrets of FFXII" section.
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I have the collector's guide; Ashe. Which one do you have? Mine's also falling apart.
I so take care of my guidebooks. ;DHmmmm... I'll have to read that; see if I can find that tonight. I want to do some more playing. Gods - why are video games so freakin' (awesome!) addictive?!
Masamune
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Re: FF12
Anyone think Vayne looks suspiciously like Emperor Baran from Hokuto no Ken:
I believe the character was modelled on Pete Burns, an 80s Brit pop star. But I wonder if Vayne was derived from this character?
It's also worth noting that they are both emperors, both prefer hand-to-hand combat, aaand they both opposed the Gods.
Anyone think Vayne looks suspiciously like Emperor Baran from Hokuto no Ken:
I believe the character was modelled on Pete Burns, an 80s Brit pop star. But I wonder if Vayne was derived from this character?
It's also worth noting that they are both emperors, both prefer hand-to-hand combat, aaand they both opposed the Gods.
Baran didn't literally take on the Gods more the concept, but Vayne opposed the control of the Occurian (Ivalice Gods).
Arianna
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Re: FF12
[quote author=pornography link=topic=340.msg28371#msg28371 date=1236479591]
Disregarding everything discussed in this thread, I would like to say that FFXII is the worst FF of them all.
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I'm not trying to sound accusatory or as if I'm attacking you, but would you please explain why you feel that way? I'm curious.
[quote author=pornography link=topic=340.msg28371#msg28371 date=1236479591]
Disregarding everything discussed in this thread, I would like to say that FFXII is the worst FF of them all.
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I'm not trying to sound accusatory or as if I'm attacking you, but would you please explain why you feel that way? I'm curious.
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Re: FF12
[quote author=pornography link=topic=340.msg28371#msg28371 date=1236479591]
Disregarding everything discussed in this thread, I would like to say that FFXII is the worst FF of them all.
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And I will have to respectfully completely disagree.
[quote author=pornography link=topic=340.msg28371#msg28371 date=1236479591]
Disregarding everything discussed in this thread, I would like to say that FFXII is the worst FF of them all.
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And I will have to respectfully completely disagree.
Makoeyes987
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Re: FF12
I DISrespectfully disagree.
I honestly don't get why it's singled out. Oh wait, yeah I do. It's because its one of the most different FF's out there. And fans don't like different usually.
I'm just sure as hell glad the sales and critical reception sure speak otherwise.
I DISrespectfully disagree.
I honestly don't get why it's singled out. Oh wait, yeah I do. It's because its one of the most different FF's out there. And fans don't like different usually.
I'm just sure as hell glad the sales and critical reception sure speak otherwise.
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Re: FF12
Gladly. The story is bland and boring, the main character just talks to remind you he's still alive, the final boss is the final boss out of nowhere and I had to replay the game to see if there was any reason for him to be evil, which there isn't. The battle system is horrible and flawed, because after a few hours into the game you can set the gambits so that you can leave and come back a few hours later and be leveled up x10. It's the same with big boss fights like Gilgamesh, where you just sit back and watch. There's no challenge whatsoever. (I am including the hunting quests and the espers.) It's no fun after a while, and the constant menu popping-up if you actually want to play for yourself is extremely annoying. Those things aside, the voice acting is godawful. It sounds like someone's speaking through a cardboard tube every time someone opens their mouth.
Overall, horrible game play, story and just about everything else an rpg needs.
Gladly. The story is bland and boring, the main character just talks to remind you he's still alive, the final boss is the final boss out of nowhere and I had to replay the game to see if there was any reason for him to be evil, which there isn't. The battle system is horrible and flawed, because after a few hours into the game you can set the gambits so that you can leave and come back a few hours later and be leveled up x10. It's the same with big boss fights like Gilgamesh, where you just sit back and watch. There's no challenge whatsoever. (I am including the hunting quests and the espers.) It's no fun after a while, and the constant menu popping-up if you actually want to play for yourself is extremely annoying. Those things aside, the voice acting is godawful. It sounds like someone's speaking through a cardboard tube every time someone opens their mouth.
Overall, horrible game play, story and just about everything else an rpg needs.
tangerine
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Re: FF12
All right, then, buddy, tell me what Vaan's contribution to the story other than being the brother of the dead guy who opened the game is and tell me how the gambit system is not completely flawed and exploitable and the reasoning behind the villain's evildoing.
All right, then, buddy, tell me what Vaan's contribution to the story other than being the brother of the dead guy who opened the game is and tell me how the gambit system is not completely flawed and exploitable and the reasoning behind the villain's evildoing.
Makoeyes987
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Re: FF12
If you really want to know.
Vaan is an "everyman" main character. He's there to show the everyday effect of war on the common folk of Rabanastre and gives us a down to earth perspective of the global events taking place in Ivalice. Each main character is drawn into the conflict for their own unique, personal reasons but are bound by the fact that they want to bring peace and stop Archades. People piss, moan, and toss hate towards Vaan but I found his character to be okay in that he shows that everday folks can seize their own fates for themselves if they just get the fuck up and do it. He may not have been royalty, a badass sky pirate, or a knight, but he still fought and its really not that big of a fucking deal for him to be in it. It doesn't take away anything from the main cast at all.
And I'm wondering if you hated the game so much that you fell asleep during the plot. Vayne Solidor was a corrupt, Machiavellian ruler of Archades who wanted power. However, he also wanted to free Ivalice from the grasp of the Occuria who were manipulating people by giving nethicite and shit to each nation they felt should rule. Though his method and ambition was cruel and selfish, he had a point in putting the reigns of history in the hands of man. He wanted mankind to be able to shape its destiny, not just some undying fuckers in the sky.
And this all started with Venat. The "Prometheus" of the story. Venat gave Cid the secret to creating nethicite and shit so that they could take control and stuff and fuck up the Occuria. The villain was made out to be a ruthless, silk tongued bastard since the beginning if you paid attention to his relations to the people, Judge Gabranth, and the others.
The Gambit System isn't flawed. It's like the sphere grid and it helps in giving the player total freedom in terms of customization. I seriously don't get why people bitch about it when it's really not that different than the sphere grid or FFVII's way of letting the player create their own way of fighting. It's freedom. And getting LP is not that hard to do.
Anyways, there you go.
If you really want to know.
Vaan is an "everyman" main character. He's there to show the everyday effect of war on the common folk of Rabanastre and gives us a down to earth perspective of the global events taking place in Ivalice. Each main character is drawn into the conflict for their own unique, personal reasons but are bound by the fact that they want to bring peace and stop Archades. People piss, moan, and toss hate towards Vaan but I found his character to be okay in that he shows that everday folks can seize their own fates for themselves if they just get the fuck up and do it. He may not have been royalty, a badass sky pirate, or a knight, but he still fought and its really not that big of a fucking deal for him to be in it. It doesn't take away anything from the main cast at all.
And I'm wondering if you hated the game so much that you fell asleep during the plot. Vayne Solidor was a corrupt, Machiavellian ruler of Archades who wanted power. However, he also wanted to free Ivalice from the grasp of the Occuria who were manipulating people by giving nethicite and shit to each nation they felt should rule. Though his method and ambition was cruel and selfish, he had a point in putting the reigns of history in the hands of man. He wanted mankind to be able to shape its destiny, not just some undying fuckers in the sky.
And this all started with Venat. The "Prometheus" of the story. Venat gave Cid the secret to creating nethicite and shit so that they could take control and stuff and fuck up the Occuria. The villain was made out to be a ruthless, silk tongued bastard since the beginning if you paid attention to his relations to the people, Judge Gabranth, and the others.
The Gambit System isn't flawed. It's like the sphere grid and it helps in giving the player total freedom in terms of customization. I seriously don't get why people bitch about it when it's really not that different than the sphere grid or FFVII's way of letting the player create their own way of fighting. It's freedom. And getting LP is not that hard to do.
Anyways, there you go.
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Re: FF12
A main character is supposed to be interesting, not an average Joe. You can justify his position all you want. It doesn't make him any better of a main character because he never developed. He was just THERE.
And no, I didn't fall asleep. I know his sad little position, but he barely shows up over the course of the game, so the fact that he's the ultimate villain certainly seemed to come out of nowhere. He had his problems that came up a few times for a short time over the course of the game.
The other systems gave you freedom, agreed. This one gave you the freedom of completely leaving the room and coming back half an hour later to find the boss dead.
A main character is supposed to be interesting, not an average Joe. You can justify his position all you want. It doesn't make him any better of a main character because he never developed. He was just THERE.
And no, I didn't fall asleep. I know his sad little position, but he barely shows up over the course of the game, so the fact that he's the ultimate villain certainly seemed to come out of nowhere. He had his problems that came up a few times for a short time over the course of the game.
The other systems gave you freedom, agreed. This one gave you the freedom of completely leaving the room and coming back half an hour later to find the boss dead.
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Re: FF12
I think Makoeyes pratically have told everything....but I would add things like, FF XII made offline the innovations that FF XI made, the gambit system is something to give more tactic to the game, but if you don't like it, just turn it off and be happy.
About the story, that's the way of Matsuno to tell stories. The focus is not the group of the heroes, but the war itself, and, as Mako said, Vaan and Penelo represents the impact it caused on the normal population. About Basch, Ashe, Fran and Balflear, they support the story, giving the war more details with their personal experiences. In other words, the war is the main character...
I think Makoeyes pratically have told everything....but I would add things like, FF XII made offline the innovations that FF XI made, the gambit system is something to give more tactic to the game, but if you don't like it, just turn it off and be happy.
About the story, that's the way of Matsuno to tell stories. The focus is not the group of the heroes, but the war itself, and, as Mako said, Vaan and Penelo represents the impact it caused on the normal population. About Basch, Ashe, Fran and Balflear, they support the story, giving the war more details with their personal experiences. In other words, the war is the main character...
Makoeyes987
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Re: FF12
And that's a pretty weak point to make that every main character has to be interesting. No, actually they don't. A lot of fictional stories make their protagonists every day people with no real distinction save for being thrust into the story to illustrate the impact the plot has on someone in every day societal life. It make the story more realistic, down to earth and emotional. Silent Hill's protagonists (save for SH3) are every day people who get pulled into shit way bigger than themselves. Same for the "Siren" video game as well.
That's a pretty weak and inaccurate generalization to make regarding main characters, period.
And that's a pretty weak point to make that every main character has to be interesting. No, actually they don't. A lot of fictional stories make their protagonists every day people with no real distinction save for being thrust into the story to illustrate the impact the plot has on someone in every day societal life. It make the story more realistic, down to earth and emotional. Silent Hill's protagonists (save for SH3) are every day people who get pulled into shit way bigger than themselves. Same for the "Siren" video game as well.
That's a pretty weak and inaccurate generalization to make regarding main characters, period.
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Re: FF12
Yeah... they look nothing alike.
Makoeyes pretty much covered Vaan, but I'd also like to add that anyone who thinks Vaan is a bland, pointless character should then say the same about Link from LoZ for that matter. Vaan might not be the most 3-dimensional character, but he served his purpose in the grand scheme of things.
For the larger part of the game, the villain is a metaphorical one - the Archadian war machine. However, the delightful twist of things at the end is that Vayne & Venat were heroes of their own. They had freed Ivalice from the Occuria's clutches, so Man was free to write his own history. How many FF villains can you say actually accomplished what they set out to do?
I think FFXII is underrated because of its deviation from the previous games. People expect precedent, instead of embracing change. I've heard people criticize the game for the same old reasons. 'The characters were pointless, boring' 'There was no love-story etc.' Because fans come to expect things to be placed in the same context as previous games.
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Yeah... they look nothing alike.
Makoeyes pretty much covered Vaan, but I'd also like to add that anyone who thinks Vaan is a bland, pointless character should then say the same about Link from LoZ for that matter. Vaan might not be the most 3-dimensional character, but he served his purpose in the grand scheme of things.
For the larger part of the game, the villain is a metaphorical one - the Archadian war machine. However, the delightful twist of things at the end is that Vayne & Venat were heroes of their own. They had freed Ivalice from the Occuria's clutches, so Man was free to write his own history. How many FF villains can you say actually accomplished what they set out to do?
I think FFXII is underrated because of its deviation from the previous games. People expect precedent, instead of embracing change. I've heard people criticize the game for the same old reasons. 'The characters were pointless, boring' 'There was no love-story etc.' Because fans come to expect things to be placed in the same context as previous games.
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Re: FF12
I didn't perceive that, or at least that aspect of his character / the story wasn't highlighted nearly enough to warrant defending in this matter. Vaan / Penelo only had a minor role at the start of the game, and fill out no story whatsoever besides some obligatory side-character for the vast majority of the game. That may not be what was intended or the truth, but that's how I perceived them in the game. For a couple that's been pulled into some massive war and have to stop it or whatnot, they sure manage to remain largely indifferent about it. I mean, they're scum from the lowest levels of society, why do or should they care about high-level politics, especially considering that in the end, nothing will change for them? (Except if that town was destroyed, but that doesn't make sense unless the villain is a truly evil psychopathic masochist, a character type that only appears in cartoons and bad fantasy fiction. And 1984, but there right and wrong aren't as clearly defined)
They'd still steal and do dumb chores for some ugly mofo regardless of who'd govern them, so in that aspect, any war would hardly affect them - especially if the antagonist (Vayne & co, in this case) has some ultimate powar backing him - which allows for a much more rapid and easy conquest, instead of years of siege and whatnot. Much better for the general populace etc.
FFXII is an excellent game and, on many levels, on-par with IX, imho.
Also, finally, the following is a blatant lie:
X-2 is.
I didn't perceive that, or at least that aspect of his character / the story wasn't highlighted nearly enough to warrant defending in this matter. Vaan / Penelo only had a minor role at the start of the game, and fill out no story whatsoever besides some obligatory side-character for the vast majority of the game. That may not be what was intended or the truth, but that's how I perceived them in the game. For a couple that's been pulled into some massive war and have to stop it or whatnot, they sure manage to remain largely indifferent about it. I mean, they're scum from the lowest levels of society, why do or should they care about high-level politics, especially considering that in the end, nothing will change for them? (Except if that town was destroyed, but that doesn't make sense unless the villain is a truly evil psychopathic masochist, a character type that only appears in cartoons and bad fantasy fiction. And 1984, but there right and wrong aren't as clearly defined)
They'd still steal and do dumb chores for some ugly mofo regardless of who'd govern them, so in that aspect, any war would hardly affect them - especially if the antagonist (Vayne & co, in this case) has some ultimate powar backing him - which allows for a much more rapid and easy conquest, instead of years of siege and whatnot. Much better for the general populace etc.
FFXII is an excellent game and, on many levels, on-par with IX, imho.
Also, finally, the following is a blatant lie:
X-2 is.
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Re: FF12
[quote author=Masamune link=topic=340.msg28477#msg28477 date=1236519164]
Yeah... they look nothing alike.
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Uh, they really don't. They both have long hair. That's the only similarity I see.
[quote author=Masamune link=topic=340.msg28477#msg28477 date=1236519164]
"Dacon" said:
Yeah... they look nothing alike.
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Uh, they really don't. They both have long hair. That's the only similarity I see.