Harry Potter and the deathly hallows

Tennyo

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idk I always thought it was weird that Harry had the most emotional moment in the books (seeing his parents grave) with Hermione as opposed to Ginny or anything.

CALL ME A HATER BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING TO THE HARRY AND GINNY RELATIONSHIP BEYOND 'and ginny was totally hot btw gaiz and so cool and harry was all WOW SHE IS SO HOT AND COOL'

Maybe it's because I don't need every character I like in my fandoms to be paired with someone, but I just don't see how an emotional scene = shipping proof, or how it means that two characters need to be shipped/canon.

When I read the first book back when I was in 10th grade I thought I saw Harry/Hermione at the end of it when she hugged him. But then back then I really did think that every character had to be paired, and that a female main character always = hero's true love forever and ever.

But beyond that, once I read more and got older, I never saw a hint of it ever again.

I agree that the movies really did give more of a Harry/Hermione impression, but the books never did. And quite frankly the idea of book Harry/Hermione is kind of awkward to imagine for me. I like them being platonic friends.

I think that Ginny seems like a good fit for Harry. I wish we had been shown more than told about how awesome she apparently is, but JKR kind of limited herself in that regard with the whole idea of only ever wanting to focus on Harry.

But as far as I'm concerned it was either Ginny or no one. If it never happened I don't think I'd really care, but there's no one else that would make a good pairing choice for him. I like Cho being a train wreck and over and done with, so that's out.

Quite honestly I don't think Harry even needed to be paired with anyone. Maybe that's why Ginny doesn't bother me. I never really wanted him to be with anyone else. I don't really see why he has to be.
 
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Zee

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@Tennyo:
Maybe it's because I don't need every character I like in my fandoms to be paired with someone, but I just don't see how an emotional scene = shipping proof, or how it means that two characters need to be shipped/canon.

When I read the first book back when I was in 10th grade I thought I saw Harry/Hermione at the end of it when she hugged him. But then back then I really did think that every character had to be paired, and that a female main character always = hero's true love forever and ever.

Personally I would have preferred no pairings were canon and we were left to figure it out, but here we are.

I also quite like H/Hr as friends (I think the trio are all really like siblings/family) but the H/Hr shippers have a lot to go on by the books because of the emotional scenes. Of course when to characters go through a lot emotionally, and not just that, show a keen understanding of each other, people are going to pair them off. To like two characters in a relationship you should like how they work together.

I think that Ginny seems like a good fit for Harry. I wish we had been shown more than told about how awesome she apparently is, but JKR kind of limited herself in that regard with the whole idea of only ever wanting to focus on Harry.

This is exactly why Ginny fails as a character and why H/G fails. We never really see them interact. We never see how Ginny has matured into a woman that's on level with Harry -- hell we practically never see Ginny. We're always told about her, and quite frankly, a romance between two characters where one character is constantly absent is not much of a romance at all. There's no buildup, no nothing. Suddenly Harry gets a monster boner for her and it's true love. And for all JKR goes on about how badass and equal Ginny is to him, she does fuck all in the series.

It's just plain bad writing.

Quite honestly I don't think Harry even needed to be paired with anyone. Maybe that's why Ginny doesn't bother me. I never really wanted him to be with anyone else. I don't really see why he has to be.

I rather liked the notion of Harry being solo for a while, but JKR needed to pair everyone off to get her fans off her back or something, and this is what we're stuck with.

le sigh

Honestly Luna was everything to Harry JKR wanted Ginny to be, without being a pathetic fangirl.
 
I'll wait til its out on dvd. I never really enjoyed any of the movies aside from the first one, and that was my introduction to harry potter. I stopped watching after the second. Tried to get through the 4th one, and meh, couldnt be bothered to finish.
 

Arianna

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I saw part two this morning.

Nice. I liked all the movies. Nothing really spectacular; some sad parts and I was sort of underwhelmed at the end. Nice is really the only word I have for it, as I guess it was all within the realm of what I expected from a Harry Potter movie.

So, yeah, I saw all of them.
 

looneymoon

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THE WIMMEN DID NOT AGE.

uhm excuse you all Matt Lewis has been hot since Goblet of Fire.
They just gave him false teeth and fat suits and stuff.

Maybe it's because I don't need every character I like in my fandoms to be paired with someone, but I just don't see how an emotional scene = shipping proof, or how it means that two characters need to be shipped/canon.

When I read the first book back when I was in 10th grade I thought I saw Harry/Hermione at the end of it when she hugged him. But then back then I really did think that every character had to be paired, and that a female main character always = hero's true love forever and ever.

But beyond that, once I read more and got older, I never saw a hint of it ever again.

I agree that the movies really did give more of a Harry/Hermione impression, but the books never did. And quite frankly the idea of book Harry/Hermione is kind of awkward to imagine for me. I like them being platonic friends.

I think that Ginny seems like a good fit for Harry. I wish we had been shown more than told about how awesome she apparently is, but JKR kind of limited herself in that regard with the whole idea of only ever wanting to focus on Harry.

But as far as I'm concerned it was either Ginny or no one. If it never happened I don't think I'd really care, but there's no one else that would make a good pairing choice for him. I like Cho being a train wreck and over and done with, so that's out.

Quite honestly I don't think Harry even needed to be paired with anyone. Maybe that's why Ginny doesn't bother me. I never really wanted him to be with anyone else. I don't really see why he has to be.

I find this position a little confusing. I mean, I get not caring about Harry being paired with anyone... But there really aren't any valid reasons for the "Ginny or no one" mindset. His relationship with every other main female lead was more developed and emotionally charged. In comparison to his relationship with Ginny which was... out of the blue? Devoid of depth? I don't know how that makes her the only option.

As far as a book series goes, if you're going to give your TITULAR CHARACTER a love interest, make sure said love interest has some sort of significant presence in his life. Every noteworthy Harry/Ginny moment that ever occurred in the books lacked depth because Ginny was never an active presence in his life even when they were together.

So yes, these emotionally charged moments maybe platonic (in regards to both Hermione and Luna), but they are a one-up on ANYTHING remotely related to the Harry/Ginny pairing.

It's not even about shipping preferences, it's about good writing and consistent character development. It's about giving the reader a sense of satisfaction and fulfillment with the hero's story. Had Harry ended up with either Luna or Hermione it would have been better writing. At least then you could point back to those emotionally-charged moments and say for a fact that yes, that was a development. Had Harry ended up ALONE it would have been better writing. That way those platonic moments stay platonic and the reader isn't alienated by a sense of randomness.

And that's what Harry/Ginny is. It's random. It's a prime example of why telling and not showing is an awful approach to writing in general. It's just really alienating and frustrating when your hero's one true love is the one main girl in the series he has the least significant interactions with.
 

looneymoon

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ok....
maybe I just personally found him cute since back then...
sob don't judge me

I am not opposed to them making a movie all about Neville in sexy cardigans.
 

Alessa Gillespie

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And that's what Harry/Ginny is. It's random. It's a prime example of why telling and not showing is an awful approach to writing in general. It's just really alienating and frustrating when your hero's one true love is the one main girl in the series he has the least significant interactions with.
The worst part is you KNOW that she could have given her parts to make Ginny a significant woman in Harry's life. But mostly we have 1. egg scene from ootp 2. chest monster in book 6 3. them getting together later in book 6.

And we don't even get treated to anything that shows the reader how Ginny is a special and important woman in his life. We can see how Luna is important to Harry. We can see how Neville is important. We even see how Cho is important just based off of her being his crush since the 3rd year, and we get to see how that relationship developed. With Harry and Ginny we just don't see this. I understand that in real life you don't need tons of development to have a good relationship, but I don't want to read a book wherein two teenagers hook up cause one's hot.

I want Harry, an unrealistic hero, to have a deep relationship with the one that he loves because even though I know it's unrealistic, it makes sense as far as books go.
 

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Ginny was so important that
after killing Voldemort, Harry snuck past her to hang out with Ron, Hermoine and Dumbledore's picture.
 

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http://io9.com/5822801/what-was-cut-from-harry-potters-final-movie-and-what-new-scenes-were-added

You guys'll probably appreciate this information.

First up, what was on the Potter cutting room floor?

David Yates: We've got a whole bunch of DVD [deleted] scenes that we took out of the movie. We never, ever say oh it's going to be three hours, of three and a half hours, or 90 minutes. It's whatever feels right when watch the film alone in the dark. Ultimately that's what determines the length of the film. And this film felt the right weight, and the right shape and the right rhythm, at two hours. But we saved all the bits that we cut out, and we're going to put that on the DVD extras.

There's a version of Aberforth and Harry — a longer version of it that we got. There's an extended scene on the beach with Ron disguised (before he gets to the bank, there's a lovely little interchange with him and Bellatrix Lestrange.) There are a number of things that we have for the DVD.


Why did you change the Great Hall Battle?

David Yates: In the book, they circle each other in The Great Hall in front of lots of students. I wanted to extend it across the school, I thought it was a great visual opportunity to see those two figures fighting amongst the rubble, through different parts of the school. And I was sitting in my garden trying to think of a way to give it a bit of extra meaning. Because two guys fighting all the time kind of gets exhausting after awhile. I came up with this notion of Harry just looking at Voldemort while they're on this precipice, and pulling him over. That was my eureka moment in the garden while I was having a cup of tea. And I thought that could be really beautiful, these two figures just tumbling into the abyss and then conjoining in this weird way. If would be quite haunting and expressive.

There was actually more battle between the two of them. There's a moment, which you probably saw in early trailers, where Voldemort is looking at Harry in the eye and he says, "Why do you live?" And then Harry says, "Because I have something, to live for." It was a really cool moment. I actually asked Steve to write it. I said Steve we've waited eight movies, I want Voldemort to say something and Dan [Radcliffe] to respond. And of course when I put it in the movie, and the reason that Steve didn't write it in the first place was because, Voldemort would just kill Harry. They wouldn't stop and have a conversation. It was in the movie and you had this slightly longer sequence of them fighting. When you pull it out of the trailer it looks quite cool, but in context it felt slightly belabored and a little self conscious. So we kind of lost it.


Why did you choose to add in the scene in The Great Hall with Snape?

Steve Kloves: It's not the way the original script was. It evolved. And that happens in these sometimes. It become about compression, and a feeling, and how can we reveal the emotion of it most succinctly? That's what always ruled the day.

I liked particularly in The Great Hall one moment… [Harry] seeing Snape standing where Dumbledore would stand, and saying, "How dare you stand there, where he stood?" That's really what the emotion of it was for Harry. That he [Snape] would defile this place by killing the head master. That was the best way to express that visual. That's a good example. To me that's a good move, for us. Because it's a visual and a literary stroke. And that's what we tried to do in Potter, rather than always be in lockstep with the book, although emotionally we're absolutely in lockstep with the books. Which was always our guide.


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Dana Scully

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I like how it has all the names then at the very bottom 'Dumblederp'.

Also, I could totally see an HP anime. If JKR ever feels the need for another billion dollars that's what they should make.
 

Alessa Gillespie

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idk man

i like lucious
 

Ite

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Loved it. Have the same qualms as the rest of you, but yeah. Exceptional film.

I mean, I was shivering wet with tears in the theatre, pretty much from when Fred's corpse appears to when Harry tells the ghosts to "Stay close to me." But after the (excellent) King's Cross scene, the movie became kind of 'meh' for me. Harry and Voldy's 'epic brawl' was just more action where there could have been more story. It was such an action-saturated movie that another five minute fight scene was so unwelcome.

People are saying that the epilogue was bearable. I did not find it that way. I would like to see them re-film it in ten years or so.

What I really liked was that Michael Gambon finally got Dumbledore right. A lot of that had to do with them actually giving him verbatim dialogue from the book (my favourite line in the series is Dumbledore's last line) but he brought a charm and likeability that was completely missing from him throughout the series.

About H/Hr, I always saw their relationship as one of really intense non-sexual love. The movies portrayed that really well, especially with them all holding hands at the end. They're a triad, bound by the love they share with each other. That's been the case since Ron and Harry saved Hermione from the troll in Philosopher's Stone. Love doesn't mean pairing, and I love that the movie series expresses that with a male and female character. It manages to avoid 'romance' and 'bromance' and becomes what it is, a real relationship.

edit: love that anime pic but where is Sirius's epic moustache?
 
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Dana Scully

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I meant to post this a few weeks ago, but this is the birthday card my friends gave me on the same day we went to HP.

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my first reaction was YOU SPELLED KEDAVRA WRONG YOU FAILURES
 

SutekiMitsukai

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I read books 1-6 and the 19 years later part in the last one with just knowing all the spoilers about who was going to die by who. Didn't know that Snape was on the side he was the whole time though. I didn't figure that out til the last movie (trying not to put in spoilers)

I have to agreed on the Harry and Ginny relationship. It's so random. Even in the books. It would've been great to actually see that relationship develop but it was just kind of out of no where that Harry seemed to decide that he liked Ginny.

With the way the movie appeared it to be, it had to me thinking that Snape was Harry's dada and that his mom was a cheating whore. lol

I didn't like the 19 years later in the movie. The make up artists just didn't do a good job in my opinion of making them look older. They still looks the same age to me only Herminie had a bigger nose, Harry had some stubble, an Ron had a belly to him. Draco was the only one in my opinion that actually looked older...to me at least
 

ForceStealer

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Maybe the more avid Harry Potter fans already know the answer to this. But I've wondered if it was intentional that the killing curse sounds the closest to the typical 'muggle' magic words "abra kadabra." I see the cadaver reference, but still, always seemed interesting.
 

Ite

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When I first read it I laughed out loud. It's a fantastic joke on the author's part, and it couldn't possibly be unintentional. Imagine if the most commonly uttered incantation of muggles was the most unforgivable curse? It's a brilliant joke.

You did yourself a great disservice only reading the epilogue. The actual book is quite wonderful.
 

ForceStealer

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When I first read it I laughed out loud. It's a fantastic joke on the author's part, and it couldn't possibly be unintentional. Imagine if the most commonly uttered incantation of muggles was the most unforgivable curse? It's a brilliant joke.

It is, though it strikes me as a bit dangerous since there are young wizards that grow up in the muggle world and accidently cast spells when their powers manifest :awesome:
 

SutekiMitsukai

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I thought it was quite funny myself. But don't forever, it's not always just enough they say the words. They gotta wave their wand just right and they have to make sure they have the wand that chose them. amirite? :D
 

Terrafig

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I seem to recall that you need to have the heart of a killer for it to work correctly. Wasn't there
a moment where Harry tried and failed?
Or was that the cruciatus curse? Even so, I guess the same logic would apply to Avada Kedavra.
 
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