Hopes for Remake & Rebirth (story/content)

[Roger]

Tseng, Sephiroth, Barret, Shera, Reeve, the rest of the executive board and ectera don't complain about their back, need to take early naps and have gone as grey as Cid. He's the outlier, not an indicator by which to judge the whole FFVII world.

 

[Saven]

Why are they called middle age? They are only in their 30's. That's still young.

Japan is really frightened by the idea of hitting 30 (which is hilarious considering they have the best lifespan of any country in the world). Once you hit that number, you are considered old. For example, in the original Mobile Suit Gundam, this is a 35 year old man:

 

[jazzflower92]

Japan is really frightened by the idea of hitting 30 (which is hilarious considering they have the best lifespan of any country in the world). Once you hit that number, you are considered old. For example, in the original Mobile Suit Gundam, this is a 35 year old man:

Oh my gosh.

 

[Ite]

This may be a generalization, but do you think it's because a lot of these characters are designed to "look western" and in comparison to Japanese aging, Americans grey and wrinkle super early?

 

[jazzflower92]

This may be a generalization, but do you think it's because a lot of these characters are designed to "look western" and in comparison to Japanese aging, Americans grey and wrinkle super early?

Even then a so-called 35 year old doesn't look like that.

 

[Clement Rage]

All of these worlds tend to be filled with monster attacks that have high casualties. Makes a grim kind of sense, TBH.

 

[Freki]

All of these worlds tend to be filled with monster attacks that have high casualties. Makes a grim kind of sense, TBH.

This. I mean look at our two party characters over the age of 40. Vincent made it because he's been in a box for decades, and Red XIII doesn't even have both of his eyes anymore. It's not a world where people live a long time.

 

[Freki]

Japan is really frightened by the idea of hitting 30 (which is hilarious considering they have the best lifespan of any country in the world). Once you hit that number, you are considered old. For example, in the original Mobile Suit Gundam, this is a 35 year old man:

Also that's hilarious.

 

[jazzflower92]

This. I mean look at our two party characters over the age of 40. Vincent made it because he's been in a box for decades, and Red XIII doesn't even have both of his eyes anymore. It's not a world where people live a long time.

Well, for Red's species he's a teenager.

 

[leadmyskeptic]

I know the 'point' is that it's something of a mystery, but I still, all these years later, can't help but wonder about the deets with Red's other Fox-Lion Lady Friend he presumably stumbles upon and mates with. Unless, of course, it's more one of those 'Jurassic Park-Life-Finds-A-Way' situations, where Red XIII spontaneously sprouts female genitalia and mates with himself...

 

[Ite]

The Compilation gave us a name, Deneh, but seeing as she and Nanaki don’t mate until a few centuries after FFVII, I feel like we’re not going to learn much about her.

 

[leadmyskeptic]

The Compilation gave us a name, Deneh, but seeing as she and Nanaki don’t mate until a few centuries after FFVII, I feel like we’re not going to learn much about her.

Okay, I just looked this up, having essentially ignored Before Crisis for the most part.
"As part of the ritual, she is placed in an altar for several years, which explains her absence throughout the current continuity of the series."

So, I knew the Compilation had some stupid things going on in it, but....Jesus.

 

[Ite]

That’s not even the worst thing they do with Nanaki. They literally give him a Great Gazoo in the novel. Named Gilligan. He lives in Nanaki’s head.

Hopes for the Remake: leave Nanaki alone. Everything they’ve done with him has been awful, starting with having Cait Sith ride on his head. Just. Don’t expand or add anything. Leave him the fuck alone please.

 

[Theozilla]

What? That’s not what Gilligan is at all, it’s just what Nanaki calls/personifies his issues regarding his fear of loss and the loneliness that will come with living a long life. His OTWTAS conflict was very engaging.
And Cait Sith riding on his back was cool/awesome.

 

[Freki]

I liked the entire arc of his in the novella with Gilligan and all that, Nanaki's always been a person who has a lot of self-doubt, ever since the original FF7, you just had to have him in your party often, or engage with him when you you could to see it, the novel just made that part of his internal troubles the main plot of his own chapter, it also led to probably the only scene in any of FF7 comp to show Vincent with any emotion besides apathy, which was cool.

 

[ForceStealer]

I did love his conversation with Vincent.

His interaction with Yuffie in her chapter was sweet, too

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

(Obvious bias aside) I think Nanaki has so much potential in the Remake. He's got an interesting arc already, he really just needs more time to interact with other members of the cast to create memorable moments, like his conversation with Vincent in OTWTAS.

 

[Freki]

Ditto with the obvious bias here, there's also the entire thing that was brought up in BC where Red and Deneh were doing rituals suggesting some level of connection to the planet, I feel like that could probably go somewhere interesting, even if it is just more lore you discover in Cosmo Canyon.

I really hope they start the buildup of at least the Yuffie/Nanaki relationship in the remake, that was incredibly wholesome, and it's funny/interesting to me that those two became friends, considering how completely opposite they are personality-wise.

 

[Odysseus]

he really just needs more time to interact with other members of the cast to create memorable moments

This is something I think the remake will improve on drastically compared to the original. One of my big problems with the OG is that after Midgar you can conceivably have any character in your party, so when a scene would play out they would all just have canned reactions to events. Any one party-member's presence couldn't drastically change how a scene happened (with a few exceptions.) In the reamke I think interactions between varying parties will be made more organic, so the character's personalities will get to shine more.

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

That's a really good point. Which reminds me once again of the tragic fact that Active Time Events only existed in IX. It seemed like such a great idea I thought they'd keep it (or something like it) in other games in the series but nope.

 

[Freki]

This is something I think the remake will improve on drastically compared to the original. One of my big problems with the OG is that after Midgar you can conceivably have any character in your party, so when a scene would play out they would all just have canned reactions to events. Any one party-member's presence couldn't drastically change how a scene happened (with a few exceptions.) In the reamke I think interactions between varying parties will be made more organic, so the character's personalities will get to shine more.

I really hope that the conversations with people (mainly the talkative enemies) will mention others than Cloud, like if Cloud has Yuffie in the party perhaps the Turks would ask why Cloud has a child with him? Or with Aerith and Red they could bring up how it's not the first time they've met. Or if they wanted to play up the ruse they could ask what the hell Cait Sith is.

 

[ForceStealer]

As someone who generally enjoyed the Compilation, even if just for spending more time in that world, Before Crisis is the exception. Basically every idea in the game is a bad one, with the possible exception of the irony of having the original Avalanche be the ones responsible for the explosion at the Corel reactor that caused Shinra to burn down the town. But that's not enough to save it. If there's one title that I would completely strike from the record, it's that one. Conveniently enough, a tiny tiny fraction of FF7 fans even know about it, much less what happens in it. So that would be pretty easy to do.

Anyway yes to the more interactions, and I think that will pretty obviously be something that happens. ATEs were cute and all, but I don't know why you really need that whole mechanic, just show all the scenes? lol

 

[jazzflower92]

This is something I think the remake will improve on drastically compared to the original. One of my big problems with the OG is that after Midgar you can conceivably have any character in your party, so when a scene would play out they would all just have canned reactions to events. Any one party-member's presence couldn't drastically change how a scene happened (with a few exceptions.) In the reamke I think interactions between varying parties will be made more organic, so the character's personalities will get to shine more.

That would be ingenious.

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

I might just be overthinking things, but I liked ATEs because they let you have stupid little optional conversations without involving the player character. You could just make all scenes mandatory, but I think pacing becomes an issue. Making all players watch all scenes regardless of relevance to the main plot might put some people off, or cause the developers to think twice about adding a scene. If they follow the traditional method of triggering side conversations--such as the player talking to an NPC--then the player character is usually involved in the optional scene and you don't get to see how others react without them around.

 

[ForceStealer]

But did you ever not watch all of them available, as soon as they were available? I think you can just as easily cut away to those scenes without a big difference in the pacing most players experienced anyway. Still include a skip cutscene button of course, but modern games should have that over every cutscene, really. I never loved that ATEs occasionally (though not usually) locked you out of certain scenes.