Hopes for Remake & Rebirth (story/content)

[The Twilight Mexican]

To be clear, I don't deny that interpretation. Only the way he talk is informal and weird. He also talks about "the answer from the stars" so it isn't necessary a person.

You mean "from the planet"? Some of the FF games use the general Japanese word for "celestial object" ("hoshi") to refer to the world where their stories take place. FFXV did this, too, and the English translation actually translated it as "star" to give the dialogue more flair.

An odd choice, but I think I like it in the context of that game. I don't think it would fit too well for FFVII.

I guess my point is if he was just mumbling it himself, it'd make sense but when we consider Tifa' Pov, how'd she know what the heck he's talking about and it just can't be one person.

Well, whatever he meant, since she understood, she did some intuiting there. Like you've pointed out, his exact wording is imprecise in Japanese -- so no matter what he meant (plural or singular), it was clunky wording that wasn't readily apparent in meaning, and she had to derive what he meant just from knowing him and where his thoughts might be.

What say you?

 

[ForceStealer]

Answer from the planet, not stars. Japanese uses the same word for both, but in FF7 context it's nearly always the planet.

EDIT: ninja'd

 

[Theozilla]

FFXIV does it too, they use Star for when referring to the planet they are on, or other planets where other beings come from.

 

[rkss]

The theme of the game is about everyone looking for their own Promise land right?
For sephiroth it's northen carter, for shinra, it's where lifestream is, for tifa it's Beyond mt Nibelheim etc....

I could rephrase it as " the answer from the planet, in promise land , we can find it there" make more sense than just "her". "It" here could be just Aerith i don't deny but Zack is there as well, so I'm not convinced it's all about Aerith. I think he's talking about his dead friends &family otherwise it'd cheapen his character & the ending.

Didn't we have the storyboard of this scene scanned before?

 

[Pizzachu]

This is something cool that someone had noticed on the Final Fantasy Reddit:

"Interesting detail if you look very closely at Cloud's buster sword you'll notice that underneath the leather-wrapped grip you can still see the original red grip of the compilation buster sword." - u/throwwayftw

Spoiler: Large Photo

Edit: Now that I think about it, should this post be in the demo thread instead? I'll move it there if so.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Holy shit. That's a pretty wild detail to put in there. So something happened to that sword.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

@Pizzachu

Thank you so much for posting that! The evidence I've been waiting years for!

 

[Ite]

Yeah this topic has its own thread yeah? Epic Phoenix down!

 

[Odysseus]

Gold box theories intensify

 

[Jairus]

What do classic AD&D PC games have to do with FF7R?

 

[Jairus]

I was thinking about how

Spoiler: (story details revealed in the demo)

Heidegger and President Shinra blew the reactor after Avalanche's bomb only took out the core, and a thought occurred to me. Reeve might not actually know what his superiors did - they may keep him in the dark about it, tricking him along with the rest of Midgar's people into believing Avalanche is the enemy they're being made out to be. This could explain in part why he feels Avalanche is responsible for something they really didn't do, leading him to his actions against them through Cait Sith before his change of heart. Of course, the fact that they went after the reactor in the first place is something he'd still be upset about, but finding out the truth about what Shinra did would make his anger more focused on them than Avalanche by that point.

 

[FFShinra]

I hope none of the main characters ever find out.

 

[Jairus]

I hope none of the main characters ever find out.

Why? They're surely bound to sooner or later. From the TGS trailer,

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it sounds as if Prez and Heidegger basically spell it all out to them right there.

 

[oty]

I think, to me atleast, if the characters dont ever find out, they cant possibly have a "forgiving" scene, where their actions are pardoned (because they didnt do it).

Its a tricky situation. I think they will probably will find out (even if its not with the Avalanche trio), but the point still stands that SE is trying to make a double game: set up Shinra's evildoing since the beggining and also the main characters guilt trip and therefore development. I hope so lol

 

[Jairus]

What SE's doing can still be done, but I wasn't talking about having the kind of scene you meant.

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More about the truth helping to lift the internal burden of guilt they may feel for what happened, to help them forgive themselves. And also galvanize them even further against Shinra and make them even more committed to stopping them. As much for themselves and making things right as for everyone else.

 

[Alex Strife]

What I am concerned is that all the

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"popular guys" will get their "forgiveness". Avalanche, Turks, Rufus... they will be shown in unquestionably good light.

And here I enjoyed all the game of grays. Rufus was not exactly a good character but he did have some redeeming points (more Compilation than OG), the Turks were lovable bastards with a certain moral code but did some awful shit, and Avalanche was definitely good but did some questionable stuff.

I'd love for all of that to stay. It made the characters super relatable.

 

[Jairus]

What I am concerned is that all the

Spoiler

"popular guys" will get their "forgiveness". Avalanche, Turks, Rufus... they will be shown in unquestionably good light.

And here I enjoyed all the game of grays. Rufus was not exactly a good character but he did have some redeeming points (more Compilation than OG), the Turks were lovable bastards with a certain moral code but did some awful shit, and Avalanche was definitely good but did some questionable stuff.

I'd love for all of that to stay. It made the characters super relatable.

I don't know that they'll go that far. But I think some things do need be addressed in the story. Too much gray is as bad for a story as not enough. For Avalanche,

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learning the difference between what they did and what they think they did can be a part of their growth, and realizing that difference doesn't negate them also understanding the part they did have in it, that of the scapegoat and dupe, and that they unwittingly allowed themselves to be played and used. That they might not have done the deeds directly, but they were still the reason and the excuse they were carried out and that their actions played right into what Shinra wanted.

 

[oty]

Yup. We just hope Square does that

 

[Jairus]

I think it will, I just also think there's room to give them a chance to atone for that, is all.

 

[Clement Rage]

Is it confirmed that

Spoiler

Heidi and Prez blew the reactor on purpose? That's another '...sigh' moment from me.

Considering that I'm avoiding as much news as possible, the fact that I have two 'urgh' moments already may not be a good sign.

 

[Jairus]

The demo clearly showed that, yes.

 

[Clement Rage]

You may consider the above '...sigh' official, then.

 

[Odysseus]

When I heard about that from the leak I was a little disappointed, but by the time I saw it in the demo it was more like "Oh, okay." I dunno, the way its shown, it didn't really bother me.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I'm choosing to be less bothered about it than I could be, but for me it's still of great importance that the main characters at least remain unaware of the truth.

I don't need them

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"forgiving" themselves for not actually doing much of anything.

Also, I'm adding spoiler tags to this discussion about the thing.

 

[Jairus]

Well, Tres, as I said,

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they still let themselves be duped by Shinra into being the scapegoat and unwittingly played right into Shinra's hands. That would certainly leave them still feeling somewhat responsible for what happened given that they were the reason and excuse that it did. That if they hadn't gone after the reactor in the first place, Shinra wouldn't have been able to use them as cover to do what they did. So it can be said that Avalanche still contributed, even if it was indirect, and thus they could still feel guilt about it and the need to address it for allowing themselves to be used to bring about so much death, even if they didn't directly cause it.

Finding out the truth is part of that process, and I could see Reeve - who is pretty technogically-minded - perhaps eventually discovering transmission logs from Heidegger's phone showing the activation of the mechs at the time the reactor went up. Maybe he takes after Cait and does a bit of snooping around later in the overall series story as part of his turnaround to help Avalanche, hacking into the Shinra system to see what Heidegger's been up to since he hates and mistrusts him and would want to find out anything he can. That could be where he finds the logs. It's just a theory, of course, but it could be a possible way for the crew to find out what really happened.