Hypothetical Scenarios

[OWA-2]

what if Hojo had found some way to give himself powers on Sephiroth's level? How fucked up would that be?

Dirge of Cerberus says "hi".

 

[Makoeyes987]

And yet Hojo still somehow manages to fuck up.

 

[OWA-2]

Like son, like father.

 

[Lord Noctis]

*Casts Life on thread*

Been a while since we did any of these, but I thought of an interesting one. This would be set shortl before the mission to Nibelheim. What if Shinra, tired of waiting for his promised land, ordered Sephiroth to bring in Aerith alive, perhaps claiming that she has informatiom Shinra needs.. Furthermore, how do you think things would go differentlydepending on whether or not Sephiroth knew who Aerith was to Zack?

I havemy own concept of how this goes, but I want to see what everyone else thinks first.

 

[I Am Not Me]

Didn't Sephiroth vaguely knew of who Aerith was to Zack? That one scene in Crisis Core after the Junon events (and before building the flower wagon) implied that Sephiroth knew Zack had a girlfriend in the slums.

I'm thinking Sephiroth won't even go through with it (or at least inform Zack and tell him to get her away), given the fact that his loyalty for Shinra was already wavering, and it was only he and Zack being comrades there. What happens from here is... Sephiroth finally leaves Shinra after this order, and no more Nibelheim incident.

Life goes on, and Final Fantasy 7 becomes boring.

Now heres one. What if that guy who was sick in the slums had actually been Zack as so many people once believed?

Then it sucks for him. Aerith didn't even recognize him, and says he are sick.

But if it were so, then he'd be another party member after he's cured? He can probably help with the cause, and rediscovering Cloud's true identity?

...I'm bad at this.

 

[Lord Noctis]

I have a hard time seeing that one. While its true Sephiroth seemed to know Zack had a gf, there is nothing to indicate heknew more than that. I doubt he knew her name, or what she looked like.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Mei has a point though. I think there would be a delay in him getting his hands on Aerith, possibly caused by Tseng and the Turks being territorial about missions/Tseng's crush on her. The fact that she's Zack's girl would come up during the argument (note, here argument means Sephiroth telling them to move before he shanks them with his giant sword). Afterward Sephy would "lose sight" of her, and very casually mention it to Zack so he could get Aerith somewhere hidden.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Mei has a point though. I think there would be a delay in him getting his hands on Aerith, possibly caused by Tseng and the Turks being territorial about missions/Tseng's crush on her. The fact that she's Zack's girl would come up during the argument (note, here argument means Sephiroth telling them to move before he shanks them with his giant sword). Afterward Sephy would "lose sight" of her, and very casually mention it to Zack so he could get Aerith somewhere hidden.

Granted. Zack could possibly leave the company based on that.

Still, suppose that Zack is actually present at the church when Sephiroth arrives. Zack would obviously be protective of Aerith. Do you think Sephiroth would side with Zack, or mistakenly believe that Zack has betrayed the company.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

If they met in the church I picture something like this.

Sephiroth: So, it appears you have a reason to fight. What strength does your conviction give you? Let us test that... *huge fight, but Sephy holds back enough to not kill Zack* Your convictions are strong. Take the girl and flee. I may leave Shinra myself, one day. But until then, know that I am your enemy. Do not let me find you again, Zack.

Or something along those lines.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Thats sorta similiar to what I had in mind, but it goes a bit differenty. I picture Sephiroth initially misunderstanding the situation, believing that Zack is a traitor to Shinra. Zack tries to stop Sephiroth, but is unprepared for the attack and knocked through the back wall. Sephiroth uses some magic to make the rafters collapse on Zack, trapping him long enough to leave, since he doesn't want top hurt Zack.

Zack goes after them to the Shinra building, where Sephiroth relinquishes control of Aerith and wonders about Zack's reasons. Zack busts into the building and heads for the labs, fighting his way past security. Sephiroth intercepts him before he can reach Aerith though, and a fight ensues. Zack explains the situation to Sephiroth as their swords clash. Sephiroth is pissed that he was tricked, and now finds himself torn between his loyalty to Shinra and Zack.

The fight continues but Sephiroth is clearly half-assing it, his heart isn't in the fight, and Zack is able to knock him back with a clever move where he lunges forward like he plans to strike with his sword, only to unleash a blade beam when their swords meet. The strain of the battle causes part of the floor to cave in carying them to a lower floor where Zack pleads with Sephiroth to get out of his way. Hojo (standing at the edge of the hole) orders Sephiroth to kill Zack. Sephiroth makes his decision and cuts Hojo in two, allowing Zack to escape with Aerith while he remains behind to deal with the consequences.

Zack and Aerith go into hiding, while Sephiroth is let off with a reprimand, seeing as hes to important to really et rid of. Sephiroth is satisfied with his choice. Zack and Aerith get married somewhere.

 

[jazzflower92]

I wanted to necro this thread because it does seem to be interesting.

But I was thinking what if Shinra actually had the idea of breeding Sephiroth and Aerith together to have offspring that have Jenova's cells and Cetra ancestry.

I mean seriously if I was Shinra I would think about breeding their best soldier with the last known Cetra on earth.

I was also thinking that neither of them would know the plans and they wouldn't care about the fact that Aerith already has a boyfriend.

 

[Unlucky]

Phoenix down!

What if Tifa got tired of Cloud's issues (pre-AC) and left him, taking the kids with her?

I've come across the idea in some fics before. Very unlikely but I think it's interesting to speculate what Chocobohead will do.

Will he come to his senses and pursue her? Will he blame himself and mope, but do nothing? Kill himself?

 

[jazzflower92]

Phoenix down!

What if Tifa got tired of Cloud's issues (pre-AC) and left him, taking the kids with her?

I've come across the idea in some fics before. Very unlikely but I think it's interesting to speculate what Chocobohead will do.

Will he come to his senses and pursue her? Will he blame himself and mope, but do nothing? Kill himself?

Come stop wallowing in his self pity and start focusing on the present.Also go find a therapist to work out his issues because seriously a therapist in FF7 could very well become rich in this world epsecially if s/he had Cloud as their patient.

 

[jazzflower92]

I was thinking what if Sephiroth was born female.Would she still be in the SOLDIER program or would she be made a Turk instead?Mainly because the SOLDIER program only seems to accept men.

Another thing that could have been is what if Shinra decided instead of making Sephiroth into a super soldier after they failed to make him become an ancient trained him to be one of their best scientists.They did keep saying through the game that Sephiroth was brilliant so I keep wondering what if they decided to make him be a scientific prodigy instead.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

The AU in which Sephiroth is a woman is one that many people find fascinating, if the number of fanfics on the topic are any indicator.

I've also seen a lot of fics about women in SOLDIER, and I suppose we have no reason to suppose that there were no women in SOLDIER, aside from the fact that we never see any SOLDIERs who are clearly women. However, given that all the 2nd and 3rd classes are clean-shaven, their faces are covered, and their uniforms are baggy, why couldn't some of them be women? Maybe Kunsel is a woman? Or Luxiere? Or the two who died at Icicle Inn, Essai and Sebastian? This is a bit like the discussion about Japanese versus western faces in another thread. Why must we assume that all characters are male umless clearly marked otherwise?

That said, my personal headcanon prefers the "no women in SOLDIER" scenario (or should I say, no biological women). I like to think that there is something in the XX chromosome pairing that resists the influence of Jenova. My theory is that when they tried to introduce jenova cells into women's bodies, the bodies fought the alien cells so persistently that the women died. Maybe it's no accident that the last two surviving Cetra, Ilfana and Aerith, are women?

I can't see Sephiroth, male or female, in the Turks. The Turks are a pretty egalitarian organisation, and each of them has his or her own special skills. To have one Turk so much stronger than all the others would go against the ethos of the department. Whereas in SOLDIER, competition between the top men seems positively encouraged. Turk work behind the scenes, in the shadows, and are designed to go unnoticed. SOLDIER, on the other hand, produces celebrities and Shinra poster boys.

 

[jazzflower92]

Going deeper into the what if Sephiroth was female.I was wondering if they might have made her a super soldier or trained her to be a scientist.I see for the scientist root that she would be treasured for her brilliance and even might eventually replace Hojo.I still see Scientist Sephiroth having a deep hatred for Hojo and would trying everything in her might to surpass him as a scientist.

 

[JayM]

The AU in which Sephiroth is a woman is one that many people find fascinating, if the number of fanfics on the topic are any indicator.

...where are you finding these fics and will you share links. I did not know I wanted this in my life until just now.

For the sake of staying on topic, my personal opinion is that if Sephiroth had been female-sexed, Hojo would've done some Mad Science to fix that and things would've basically turned out the same. ...With some possible gender dysphoria down the line, which I might be headcanoning this very moment as the reason his personal pronoun goes gender-neutral rather than staying masculine post-Nibelheim.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I have to be honest, it was more an impression I got. I'm afraid I don't like genderswap fics and so pass by on the other side of the road whenever one comes into view.

I found this, in which Genesis and Sephiroth are both women. I don't vouch for its contents, as I haven't read it myself.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8687073/1/Final-Fantasy-VII-Bloodmoon

And this one sounds intriguing: Sephiroth is transgender. However, since he identifies as male as since it seems to be written from his 3rd person limited points of view, I'm not sure how much different he will seem:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6463934/1/And-Sephiroth-is-from-Venus

 

[jazzflower92]

...where are you finding these fics and will you share links. I did not know I wanted this in my life until just now.

For the sake of staying on topic, my personal opinion is that if Sephiroth had been female-sexed, Hojo would've done some Mad Science to fix that and things would've basically turned out the same. ...With some possible gender dysphoria down the line, which I might be headcanoning this very moment as the reason his personal pronoun goes gender-neutral rather than staying masculine post-Nibelheim.

Or maybe female Sephiroth would have been the only female in SOLDIER and despite her gender she still managed to be the famous war hero.However,Hojo still would gripe over the fact that she was born female.I for some reason see female Sephiroth being very busty probably because she would have been trained in fighting so her breast size would be big.

 

[JayM]

I have to be honest, it was more an impression I got.

Awww damn, here I thought there was some corner of Sephiroth fandom that I hadn't yet discovered. XD Ahwell.

Thank you for the links though; I will investigate.

However,Hojo still would gripe over the fact that she was born female.

That's the thing, though; I just don't see Hojo griping ineffectually when it's something within his power to change, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be. But, that probably comes down to Hojo headcanon. And I admit, I really haven't given the theory that much thought before, well, today.

 

[jazzflower92]

Another Sephiroth hypothetical situation is the fact what if Sephiroth found Vincent while he was in the basement of the Shinra Mansion.Yeah,it would be interesting to think what if Sephiroth found the coffin that Vincent was in and gets some answers about who he truly is.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

^^Now that is an AU I can acutally see happening... even with just the OG to go by, I have to wonder why that didn't happen. If Sephiroth found Hojo's secret basement, and searched it thoroughly, which it seems he did... how could he have missed that one door/coffin? It would certainly open up some interesting meetings. A Hojo/Vincent showdown over Zack and Cloud at the Neibelheim reactor maybe? I could see this going in several directions ranging from the Neivelheim incident never happening to it still happening, but Hojo doesn't get Zack and Cloud...

 

[jazzflower92]

^^Now that is an AU I can acutally see happening... even with just the OG to go by, I have to wonder why that didn't happen. If Sephiroth found Hojo's secret basement, and searched it thoroughly, which it seems he did... how could he have missed that one door/coffin? It would certainly open up some interesting meetings. A Hojo/Vincent showdown over Zack and Cloud at the Neibelheim reactor maybe? I could see this going in several directions ranging from the Neivelheim incident never happening to it still happening, but Hojo doesn't get Zack and Cloud...

Someone should defiantly make a fanfiction out of it.It would also be fun seeing both Vincent and Sephiroth teaming up together to beat the stuffing out of Hojo.

 

[Unlucky]

What if.. Cloud randomly runs into Mukki in Edge?

 

[Clement Rage]

What's the rationale for Hojo being upset about Sephiroth being born a woman? I don't see any indications of that in canon, I think such a trivial detail would be irrelevant for him.