I'm going to be honest about this LTD thing. A lot of you aren't going to like this.

[Cat Rage Room]

I think the only option is to get all the FF7 fans here who don't give two shits about the LTD and hopefully they're just DROWN ALL YOU BITCHES OUT HAR HAR HAR

 

[null]

Fuck that. We'll go MLK Jr. on your ass and passively resist.

 

[Isabella]

Mog why don't you convince SE to get their asses to work on a sequel. Then I'd be happy to speculate the hell all over that topic. But right now there's just nothing going on.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Fuck that. We'll go MLK Jr. on your ass and passively resist.

Hey, there's nothing technically wrong with it if a new influx of fans were interested in another subject and discussed that instead! LOOPHOLE

Mog why don't you convince SE to get their asses to work on a sequel. Then I'd be happy to speculate the hell all over that topic. But right now there's just nothing going on.

This is actually a very valid point. However, Chrono Compendium is based off a game even older than FFVII and in terms of updates, discussion, and fan projects, well, they blow FFVII out of the water. I know I namedrop Chrono Compendium a lot, but they really know how to work with really old shit.

 

[null]

Chrono Cross alone gave us enough for a decade's worth of stuff to talk about.

Also, Chrono Compendium is an excellent site that I've perused for years. Kudos to everyone who put it together.

Also, I am in love with Harle and feel like starting a Serge/Kid/Harle LTD now.

 

[Dashell]

Well mog I'll give you this, you DID take away the interest from the LTD topic

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Chrono Cross alone gave us enough for a decade's worth of stuff to talk about.

You're right. And to think that Mako once said that the notion of Xenogears/Chrono Cross being more complex than FF7 was an opinion. Bah! Both Xenogears and Chrono Cross simply have more to them than FFVII's universe.

I'm not saying either is objectively a better game than FFVII (I like Xeno better than FFVII, though), but the creators simply gave those games a bigger universe and a shit ton of information to go with those universes, almost to the point of total info rape (being TOO MUCH info). It's no wonder that Chrono Cross still has a lot to talk about. There's simply more shit in CC, Xenogears, Mass Effect, Halo, period. You can argue whether or not a game is good, but how much information and complexity that game has in its universe, well, it's pretty objective.

FFVII is a great story, but its simple. Which isn't a bad thing, but it works against the fandom when you run out of shit to talk about.

Also, Chrono Compendium is an excellent site that I've perused for years. Kudos to everyone who put it together.

It is. I think our site could learn a lot from them. I think TLS should be unique in its own way, but hell, they do a lot of shit right.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Mog, I love the current LTD thread because its often funny in there. Everyone who said there is little to no debate is right though, the shits been over for a long time.

But, I do want a little something more than just the LTD. That's why I made the three threads I set up about the Compilation, wanting to talk about those things

 

[Vendel]

I think MoG is a pretty cool guy. eh doesn't like the LTD and doesnt afraid to say it.

 

[Celes Chere]

^Can't stop staring at Tifa's ass. xD

 

[null]

You're right. And to think that Mako once said that the notion of Xenogears/Chrono Cross being more complex than FF7 was an opinion. Bah! Both Xenogears and Chrono Cross simply have more to them than FFVII's universe.

Well, we're all entitled to having wrong opinions, Mako's no exception.

I'm not saying either is objectively a better game than FFVII (I like Xeno better than FFVII, though), but the creators simply gave those games a bigger universe and a shit ton of information to go with those universes, almost to the point of total info rape (being TOO MUCH info). It's no wonder that Chrono Cross still has a lot to talk about. There's simply more shit in CC, Xenogears, Mass Effect, Halo, period. You can argue whether or not a game is good, but how much information and complexity that game has in its universe, well, it's pretty objective.

I had to play CC three or four times to REALLY understand it (this was pre-Compendium days). There's so much shit going on: the Acacia Dragoon's story, the Guardia vs. Porre war, the Chronopolis vs. Dinopolis thread, jumping around in time AND space, the Time Crash, Kid saving child Serge AND Serge saving child Kid, etc.

I think Xeno and CC were two of the best games of their time, but both suffered from over-ambition. Both felt horribly rushed. CC dropped the entire arc about Serge being the "assassin of time", and left clues to other arcs that were removed which ultimately became infuriating red herrings (Kid and Harle having the same fortune, Lucca's letter addressing Magus, etc.). Also, CC really didn't develop any characters. Serge was a blank slate. Kid and Lynx have story revealed through flashback but are essentially static. I think I like Harle so much because she's the only character that really evolved.

Xeno was flat out silly at some points - like the story knocks you out, stuffs you in a pillowcase and drops you off five miles down the road - but again, shit happens, huge philosophical groundbreaking games like that are bound to run past schedule.

It is. I think our site could learn a lot from them. I think TLS should be unique in its own way, but hell, they do a lot of shit right.

I just can't put my finger on why the Chrono series lends itself so well to theory and speculation, and not FF7. I suppose it's because Chrono Cross was more about the "big picture", while FF7 focused on the characters first and context second.

 

[looneymoon]

I know I don't necessarily post all that often, but I feel that I lurk thoroughly enough to at least have an adequate idea of the general dynamic of this forum.

Right off the back, I honestly can't fault anyone on the site for being unwelcoming or anything. This place is pretty freaking laid back. In fact, the laid backness is pretty much the reason I choose to delurk as much as I do here.

Assuming people share my opinion, then it's really a no brainer why the LTD gets most attention. It's a brainless, lulzy, time-killer. Obviously people are having fun posting in it, and isn't that what fandom's all about? Having fun? I mean, it kinda sucks that it's getting so much attention (I get my shits and giggles from it but the actual topic is something I'm hardly passionate about), but at the same time I don't think it's necessary to go harshing someone else's squee, so to speak (which is a little ironic considering the LTD is pretty much all about "harshing other people's squee" as well, in a sense... but that's another topic).

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I just can't put my finger on why the Chrono series lends itself so well to theory and speculation, and not FF7.

Two reasons

1. More info to go off of. Like I said, the Chrono/Xeno series simply has more locations, characters, settings, events, etc etc to work with.

2. The expansive amount of symbolism. You may have heard of the almost direct comparison between Chrono Trigger and the entire narrative of the Bible and everyone in it, for example. Not to mention the comparisons to psychology and Gnosticism and whatnot. Let's not even get into the amount of spiritual/religious/psychological symbolism Xenogears has.

Not to mention that this symbolism isn't just shit like 'whoa we totally named this character from some obscure religious figure/concept because its cool'. No, there are a lot of cases in the narratives of both games where the writers knew their shit and actually did the research.

 

[Dashell]

Imma make a prediction that THIS topic will be the next huge topic on TLS and then Mog will start a new one "Im goin to be honest about this honest about the LTD thing..." and the same thing will start again

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

And thus the cycle continued, until the darkness fell.

 

[Bex]

Everyone knows the real ltd was between Barret, Yuffie and Cloud

 

[Celes Chere]

True. Cloud and Barret's date was super hot and steamy. =w=

 

[Ghost X]

I was like "The LTD? What is the LTD?" and when I found out, I was like "Why is this fellow letting it bother him so much?" . If you lost interest in the LTD debate, just ignore it. If you're anything like me, it'll be cleansed from your mind.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

"Everyone should keep quiet about things that bothers them if nobody agrees with it!"

Not that I think this is what one should do in general, but I'm just going to defer to the standard GameFAQs response when there's threads made entitled "Too many vs. threads," "Too many picture threads," "Too many hurt & heal threads," "Too many whatever the fuck threads":

Don't like it, don't post there.

Really. It's not like we're talking about money and funding schools vs. funding the military or something. We're talking about people posting on topics that they want to talk about.

If they're not talking about one topic, that doesn't logically lend itself to the conclusion that they will spread out like funds and apply themselves to other topics. It's just as likely that they'll:



The assumption you need to go by is that if something is interesting enough -- or simply interesting to enough people -- it will get more attention.

But, really, for a lot of reasons, nothing could touch the LTD. Though perhaps that will change in the coming months due it to now being officially resolved like so many other topics that were once debated extensively.

Only time will tell.

 

[Vendel]

Just change the thread title to "MoG pisses in everyone's cheerios".

 

[Alex]

The LTD would have more impact if Cloud, Tifa or Aeris were actually interesting or relatable characters to begin with...

Other than that I agree with MOG's first post entirely.

 

[Eerie]

I personally joined for the lulz of the LTD [the high spirit, snark and all iz awesome; I wish more forum had that freedom of speech XD].

I'm trying to look out for other threads, but as I am not in the FFVII fandom save for the cloti LJ com and this forum, and that I didn't play anything else than FFVII as a game.. I'm feeling kind of lost XD

Now I understand that you'd wish people would look around, and I think that they do when they really want to. But it's not because we're reading posts that we have something to add to the conversation ;/ At least, that's how I feel

Now, if they made a sequel or a remake of the original game, that'd probably change and put life back in the whole forum, as it was for ACC, for example XD

The LTD is just easy to lurk around because we don't have to be serious in it XD And even then, it's often that I lurk there without posting anything XD

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Now, if they made a sequel or a remake of the original game, that'd probably change and put life back in the whole forum, as it was for ACC, for example XD

If they were to announce a remake, it would probably be like the second coming of ACF.

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... Let's pray that a remake never happens.

 

[Splintered]

I enjoy the irony that this thread is both fairly active and LTD centric thread. Also LTD has the best stock of Isabella's snark and Vendel's assholism, why wouldn't I troll there?

 

[Makoeyes987]

The LTD would have more impact if Cloud, Tifa or Aeris were actually interesting or relatable characters to begin with...

Other than that I agree with MOG's first post entirely.

Go back to the FFXIII thread and enjoy your lesbians relate to Fang and Vanille, while talking about your PS3 Blu-Ray movie that lies and calls itself a game