Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge's Roles in the Remake Thread

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Odd exception: Rosso -- someone who you would expect would survive an enormous fall.

Maybe it just cut to black because showing his mangled body wasn't anything they wanted to show and nothing we wanted to see.
 

Odysseus

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Dirge was oddly good about not doing any falling deaths like that. Azul also actually died, though to be fair he also had a giant gun crammed through his body.
Maybe it just cut to black because showing his mangled body wasn't anything they wanted to show and nothing we wanted to see.
My honest theory is that they wanted to leave wiggle room incase the characters got popular. That's also why Jessie's glove is there, in case.
 

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Personnally... I felt that hearing his voice in a fade to black was more powerful than the OG version where you do see him fall and where he does say that too.

I also feel that if too many characters revive, it will cheapen Aerith's death - one of the two things that's definitely going to happen. Especially secondary characters like Jessie and Wedge. There's already that thing with Zack and Biggs and while we're not sure about the first (I will say forever that Aerith's face and words tell me that Zack is gone), well the second is... here while he should not, and that's not debatable. If the trio survives, Aerith's death will feel too unjust - why can they survive but she can not?

And just so you know, I agree with you, @Odysseus, they could totally have left things as they were to leave doubts about Jessie and Wedge to be able to bring them back. But I still think that was not the intent, because I don't feel they need more development. Biggs, on the other hand, has been left aside a bit, aside that "he taught those orphans". He's the one who feels incomplete, and with whom Cloud connects the least, out of the trio. So he's the one they can expand on, in one way or another.
 

Makoeyes987

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Wedge was pushed out of 65+ story window by fate ghosts that were adamant about correcting the mistake of him surviving getting crushed by a giant steel plate.

He died. The game merely censored his death for whatever rating reason. However, you hear him smash through the window and fall. And the Ultimania makes it clear they were "correcting" the course of his survival.
 

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Dirge was oddly good about not doing any falling deaths like that. Azul also actually died, though to be fair he also had a giant gun crammed through his body.

D-Did you forget about Rosso?

She literally died the exact same way! LOL

They censored Shalua's death too.
 

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But, like, half of the game is main characters randomly falling to fade-outs, without a scratch on them, including twice in the very dungeon where they rescue Wedge from himself falling, after Sector 7 falls on him in a fake-out death sequence. Why would they go through all that trouble just to have him do literally nothing and die in a way less impactful and relevant way? Wedge’s post-pillar arc is baffling enough, but I figure it has to be going somewhere, right? Otherwise, why defang the impact of the Pillar collapse?

Is this what we’re in for with Zack?

The only thing the remake managed to kill off successfully was the excitement I had to play it.

I lol’d
 

Makoeyes987

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You mean, the one time with Rufus? lol


But, like, half of the game is main characters randomly falling to fade-outs, without a scratch on them, including twice in the very dungeon where they rescue Wedge from himself falling, after Sector 7 falls on him in a fake-out death sequence. Why would they go through all that trouble just to have him do literally nothing and die in a way less impactful and relevant way? Wedge’s post-pillar arc is baffling enough, but I figure it has to be going somewhere, right? Otherwise, why defang the impact of the Pillar collapse?

Is this what we’re in for with Zack?

Because Wedge's death scene is right after the explanation with Aerith and Red XIII of what the Arbiters of Fate really are, and as a demonstration of their dedication to protecting "destiny," they off the dude who seemingly survived against his "fate." That's the point. Fate caught up with him and he is one of the "corrections" (which the Arbiters of Fate even call it in their fight against them) they perform to make Destiny stay in line.

And this is a game that apparently went through great pains to keep its rating low, so. Him dying off screen is not that unusual or unheard of (especially in a FF title), they've done it before.

In the end, Wedge got to do far more than he ever did in the OG which is why I don't see how it's less impactful or relevant. He got to make a difference saving people's lives, helping Barret and the others and just being a more fleshed out character. But he still ends up dying. That's just the reality. And I would assume AU Zack will eventually die (again) given that there's definitely a cost to splitting a reality inadvertently.
 
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Makoeyes987

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Well then umm... :monster:

Okay, all those examples save for Dyne are main character SOLDIERs so we know that they'd survive. Heh, as for Dyne, I always imagined he survived on hatred for Shinra and life alone lol
 

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You mean, the one time with Rufus? lol




Because Wedge's death scene is right after the explanation with Aerith and Red XIII of what the Arbiters of Fate really are, and as a demonstration of their dedication to protecting "destiny," they off the dude who seemingly survived against his "fate." That's the point. Fate caught up with him and he is one of the "corrections" (which the Arbiters of Fate even call it in their fight against them) they perform to make Destiny stay in line.

And this is a game that apparently went through great pains to keep its rating low, so. Him dying off screen is not that unusual or unheard of (especially in a FF title), they've done it before.

In the end, Wedge got to do far more than he ever did in the OG which is why I don't see how it's less impactful or relevant. He got to make a difference saving people's lives, helping Barret and the others and just being a more fleshed out character. But he still ends up dying. That's just the reality. And I would assume AU Zack will eventually die (again) given that there's definitely a cost to splitting a reality inadvertently.

I can see that. For some reason, they failed to properly communicate to me that’s what was happening, but on the other hand it also happened around the time I fully checked out of the story, so that could be on me.
 

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but Rosso is basically a SOLDIER too, so I'm saying it's kind of funny she dies from the same fall Cloud was perfectly fine from in the original game.

And see that's what always blew my mind and annoyed me.

How they did that. That exact thing.

She just.... falls.

I mean, I sorta get it? She basically rage quits on life because she can't stand losing to a nerd like Vincent, when she's an elite killing machine who's bathed in the blood of a thousand soldiers. :monster:
 

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I didn’t even consider the idea that Wedge could have died.

He says the same thing in both the OG and Remake when he dies, I don't even know why Wedge dying is such a subject tbh. I can understand Jessie because the message is unclear with her, but Wedge? He ded. The fact that he worries about the same thing (did he help, did he make a difference) is soooooo telling.
 

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To be honest, I had little to no investment in Jessie, Biggs, Wedge and the dropping of the plate when I played the OG because the way the game plays out, it’s like we hardly had any time to get to know the team or Sector 7 anyways and after it’s all taken away, the OG story kind of just...moves on? So it was weird to me when people said the platefall was less impactful than the OG because pretty much all of my investment in Avalanche and Sector 7 came from the remake itself in the first place, while the OG just kills a few people you barely know and then hardly addresses it for the rest of the game.
 

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People more don't like that Avalanche actually evacuated the town before the plate fell, so all the random NPCs survived. I still think the remake handles it better on the whole, because less actual casualties is a fair trade for a more serious look at how such an even would effect our cast and the world around them. In the same vein, I doubt the loss of 2/3 of the trio will be so quickly forgotten in the sequels either, especially with Big man still around. These things carry more weight now.
 
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