Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge's Roles in the Remake Thread

[Jairus]

Lic, that's been often theorized as Aerith being in denial about him being dead, so it shouldn't necessarily be taken literally.

 

[Maidenofwar]

From BC the female turks as well, also Aqua in KH, can't remember if he flirted with anyone else in Opera Omnia so far but yeah However I do disagree Cloud is literally Zack and nothing but. Even in OO Zack confirms that Cloud's own feelings are not fake but even it's been said in external medias about even with Jenova influence there are still elements of Cloud's personality that are his alone similar to as in childhood that shows he is still there and not Zack. I say biologically if Cloud be feeling a thing for Jessie in remake the thirsting will be his and not Zack

 

[Jairus]

No, it frustrates me because I just want someone to listen and be open to it, just once. And not have everyone against me.

Maiden, I don't think anything other than actual FF7 Comp titles count for purposes of FFVII's story, and BC's canonicity is debatable.

 

[Sasseli]

Zack probably flirted with every woman that was remotely pretty. So Cloud thought, he had to do the same. I even doubt that he actually had any own thoughts about Jessie's looks at all. I see him as more like a cut-out of Zack, copying everything he thought was essential for his character. That's the whole point.
Cloud holding Jessie as she confesses her feelings for him. Could work. As long as Cloud doesn't say something cheesy and inappropriate like "I love you, too" or "Why must we part already?" or "Arms, take your last embrace! And lips, o you, the doors of breath, seal with a righteous kiss!" (Sorry for the Shakespeare reference )
But is he even there when the plate falls and they all die?
Seeing them one last time, I'd be totally up for it! Even Jessie confessing. Would give so much more drama and impact to their deaths. I understand you up to this point, just not further.

 

[Odysseus]

Deep down Cloud Strife is an awkward mother fucker, I really don't think he's capable of being super forward with anybody. If Jessie were to have a death-bed confession, I almost feel like it would work better if he just listened and said an awkward thing or two.

 

[ForceStealer]

because I just want someone to listen and be open to it, just once.

The problem is that's not what you just want. What you want is for everyone to agree with you that it is the correct direction for the character. And if they don't agree, that means to you that they have not considered it and are dismissing it out of hand. That's the only reason everyone winds up "against" you.

 

[Jairus]

I never said I wanted everyone to agree with me. I don't expect that. And you trying to tell me what you think I want doesn't help matters, either.

 

[Jairus]

Zack probably flirted with every woman that was remotely pretty. So Cloud thought, he had to do the same. I even doubt that he actually had any own thoughts about Jessie's looks at all. I see him as more like a cut-out of Zack, copying everything he thought was essential for his character. That's the whole point.
Cloud holding Jessie as she confesses her feelings for him. Could work. As long as Cloud doesn't say something cheesy and inappropriate like "I love you, too" or "Why must we part already?" or "Arms, take your last embrace! And lips, o you, the doors of breath, seal with a righteous kiss!" (Sorry for the Shakespeare reference )
But is he even there when the plate falls and they all die?
Seeing them one last time, I'd be totally up for it! Even Jessie confessing. Would give so much more drama and impact to their deaths. I understand you up to this point, just not further.

I wouldn't want him to say anything like that either, Sass. That's why I said he wouldn't have to say anything at all. And if, by some remote chance, there was a brief kiss, he would certainly NOT be the one to initiate it. More likely she'd pull him into it with him too surprised to do anything about it.

And he might be there when they die, yes, since their deaths might happen differently in the remake, during the battle rather than when the plate falls.

 

[Odysseus]

You know, its almost kind of strange that we're going on and on about hypotheticals here when the dialogue from the leak almost certainly could tell us what actually is going to happen. I'm sure the people that have read those are reading all this and yucking it up right now.

 

[ForceStealer]

That was the single worst thing about the leak. It basically killed all the theorizing on here.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I thought they were all dead before the Plate fell????

 

[Sasseli]

Were they? I honestly don't remember... I just remember Barret crying out after the plate was down...

And if, by some remote chance, there was a brief kiss, he would certainly NOT be the one to initiate it. More likely she'd pull him into it with him too surprised to do anything about it.

 

[ForceStealer]

It's not completely clear, but they were at least nearly dead when the plate fell.

 

[Odysseus]

You could talk to them as much as you wanted to before moving along, you don't actually see them die. Though you could interpret it as them dying after they stop talking to Cloud. The exception is Wedge I think, he doesn't talk anymore after the scene ends.

 

[ForceStealer]

 

[Tetsujin]

I like to think Jessie just fancies a shag, no need to bring those pesky feelings into it, the love triangle is cancerous enough without elevating it into a love square dance

 

[Jairus]

I'll admit that's unlikely to happen, but it is a way to pull it off while keeping him consistent with his character.

Tets, not every attraction or interest is like that, and I don't think SE would demean her character like that by reducing her feelings down to that level.

 

[Odysseus]

So what are we gonna call this debacle after the fact? The "LTD" has a nice, snappy name.

 

[Tetsujin]

I don't see how it would demean her character at all tbh

 

[ForceStealer]

So what are we gonna call this debacle after the fact? The "LTD" has a nice, snappy name.

Well, LSD, obviously. And we'll all want some afterwards, I'm sure.

 

[Jairus]

I don't see how it would demean her character at all tbh

It would so by cheapening that part of her character and making her more shallow overall.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Gotta agree with Tets: a liking for some no-strings-attached shagging doesn't demean people or make them shallow. Unless we assume Zack was all talk and no action, he must have enjoyed the occasional casual shag himself. Does that make him a shallow character?

 

[Jairus]

Yes it does, because there should be more to an interest than that, otherwise that kind of thing that you two are saying comes off as selfish and shallow.

 

[Odysseus]

I dunno man, some people are just like that. Jessie never gave me the impression of somebody that would sleep around, but somebody doing that doesn't make them shallow.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

On this point we shall simply have to disagree.