Kingdom Hearts III

[ForceStealer]

Nomura doesn't really run the Compilation, though. Advent Children is the only entry he directed. Dirge was directed by Takayoshi Nakazato, Crisis Core and Before Crisis were both directed by Tabata. The Compilation itself was mostly Yoshinori Kitase's idea, though Nomura was obviously involved, so were the writer Nojima and the art director Yusuke Naora. Anything that happened in the Compilation is a product of all of these guys, and I would say Kitase is the person most responsible. He's the highest-ranked of them, and it was he who put Nomura on the Remake without even telling him. This is why I say you overrate Nomura's influence. He's obviously a big name in the company, but he's not even tops among the developers, and ALL of them are still always going to be at the mercy of the corporate whims.

Now Kingdom Hearts is definitely his baby. And things that occur in the series are definitely down to him. But if the suits want to keep that KH gravy train flowing, they can order whatever remasters they want, that usually doesn't demand a ton of attention from the staff anyway, as people above have said. Just, considering how much you clearly love this series, you're awfully hard on the guy that created it for you.

 

[Ryuman]

I guess you have a bit of a point.

However, what does this mean for the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII's future? He did say after Advent Children Complete's release that they had ideas for future FFVII titles for the storyline since it wasn't the end of the series all together.

We can always hope for what's in store. I too would like to see more from the Compilation. As long as there exist ideas, the Compilation may yet continue. With the remake on the way there may be two scenarios:
1) A new universe of FFVII is created based on the previous material.
2) The remake reconciles the Compilation to make the series a bit more coherent overall. Despite being similar to #1, this possibility could still keep the Compilation as we know it in play.

Personally, I am leaning towards #2, but we'll see. In either case, the series could still have more titles.

Anyway, developing several other games while halting progress for the more important ones for several years is seriously a bad move. They've wasted ten years for FFXV(and while the graphics are impressives and the music is beautifully done-thank Yoko for that one-, the story was...kind of a hit and miss. The ending wasn't as emotional as Tabata had said and what I have been expecting).

Oh, I agree that Square definitely take on too much at times and disorganise themselves. I'm quite partial to the KH series though, so I never really felt like I've been spending years waiting for KH3. I've had other games that feel just as important to me. Guess it doesn't apply to me in that way. In fact, I'm glad KH3 exists in a time where a lot of Square's issues of the past decade have been mostly resolved. Anyway, happy we could have a nice talk about this.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

We can always hope for what's in store. I too would like to see more from the Compilation. As long as there exist ideas, the Compilation may yet continue. With the remake on the way there may be two scenarios:
1) A new universe of FFVII is created based on the previous material.
2) The remake reconciles the Compilation to make the series a bit more coherent overall. Despite being similar to #1, this possibility could still keep the Compilation as we know it in play.

Personally, I am leaning towards #2, but we'll see. In either case, the series could still have more titles.

Should the remake be financially successful, there certainly will be. That's the only prediction we can make that we can count on.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Nomura doesn't really run the Compilation, though. Advent Children is the only entry he directed. Dirge was directed by Takayoshi Nakazato, Crisis Core and Before Crisis were both directed by Tabata. The Compilation itself was mostly Yoshinori Kitase's idea, though Nomura was obviously involved, so were the writer Nojima and the art director Yusuke Naora. Anything that happened in the Compilation is a product of all of these guys, and I would say Kitase is the person most responsible. He's the highest-ranked of them, and it was he who put Nomura on the Remake without even telling him. This is why I say you overrate Nomura's influence. He's obviously a big name in the company, but he's not even tops among the developers, and ALL of them are still always going to be at the mercy of the corporate whims.

Now Kingdom Hearts is definitely his baby. And things that occur in the series are definitely down to him. But if the suits want to keep that KH gravy train flowing, they can order whatever remasters they want, that usually doesn't demand a ton of attention from the staff anyway, as people above have said. Just, considering how much you clearly love this series, you're awfully hard on the guy that created it for you.

Didn't know it was Kitase's idea do to the Compilation. No wonder it was successful even though there were ups and downs. But don't all games have ups and downs?

Maybe Kitase should be promoted as the next President of Square before he retires should...whoever's the current President retire soon at some point.

Maybe I am being judgemental, but I just hate been left out in a loop with no answers for so long, and I want to hang onto the Compilation close to my heart like I do with Kingdom Hearts. While I am prone to have at least some patience(which is weird considering my most people in my family lack any), but after not hearing much of anything(and not just anything digital either) for a decade and over is just a little ridiculous.

Plus, when you look at it, the Compilation is still a lot better than the FFXIII trilogy.

We can always hope for what's in store. I too would like to see more from the Compilation. As long as there exist ideas, the Compilation may yet continue. With the remake on the way there may be two scenarios:
1) A new universe of FFVII is created based on the previous material.
2) The remake reconciles the Compilation to make the series a bit more coherent overall. Despite being similar to #1, this possibility could still keep the Compilation as we know it in play.

Personally, I am leaning towards #2, but we'll see. In either case, the series could still have more titles.

As much as I seriously want to thank you for being a fellow Compilation fan, wanting to see more from it, and that you're leaning towards #2, my gut says that #1 is more likely.(I'm hoping that I'm wrong, but usually hope just leads to the opposite).

Oh, I agree that Square definitely take on too much at times and disorganise themselves. I'm quite partial to the KH series though, so I never really felt like I've been spending years waiting for KH3. I've had other games that feel just as important to me. Guess it doesn't apply to me in that way. In fact, I'm glad KH3 exists in a time where a lot of Square's issues of the past decade have been mostly resolved. Anyway, happy we could have a nice talk about this.

I've always felt that KH3 would be a reality, especially since I've questioned on what happened to Maleficent and Pete after they went off against the Heartless to give Sora, Mickey and the others a chance to defeat Xemnas and what was on the letter that Mickey had said.

So I've been waiting for KH3 for almost eleven years now.

Should the remake be financially successful, there certainly will be. That's the only prediction we can make that we can count on.

Maybe they'll mention something at the event happening on the 31st this month, which is both the 30th Anniversary of the entire franchise, and the 20th Anniversary since Final Fantasy VII came out in Japan for PS1. I doubt it, but looking forward to that and that's definately the next thing on my list for this month. The first is KH2.8's international release which is two weeks after Japan's release which will be next week.

 

[Ryuman]

As much as I seriously want to thank you for being a fellow Compilation fan, wanting to see more from it, and that you're leaning towards #2, my gut says that #1 is more likely.(I'm hoping that I'm wrong, but usually hope just leads to the opposite).

I'm not a fan of leaving things unfinished. As Tres said, money usually equals games. Whether or not they take the form you were hoping for is yet to be seen.

I've always felt that KH3 would be a reality, especially since I've questioned on what happened to Maleficent and Pete after they went off against the Heartless to give Sora, Mickey and the others a chance to defeat Xemnas and what was on the letter that Mickey had said.

Is this in a past-tense? You've played or watched Coded, right? It literally answers all of your questions there. Maleficent's got some interesting plans up her sleeve. I wonder if she'll end up as a major threat again.

So I've been waiting for KH3 for almost eleven years now.

Eh, yeah, I've never really felt like that. Sure, I've anticipated the conclusion, but I'm always interested in the stories Nomura has told in the meantime. The announcement certainly made me super emotional though.

Maybe they'll mention something at the event happening on the 31st this month, which is both the 30th Anniversary of the entire franchise, and the 20th Anniversary since Final Fantasy VII came out in Japan for PS1.

I doubt there will be any major Compilation announcements throughout the Remake's life. Would be bad to cross wires like that, y'know?

 

[Tashasaurous]

I'm not a fan of leaving things unfinished.

Welcome to the club.

Is this in a past-tense? You've played or watched Coded, right? It literally answers all of your questions there. Maleficent's got some interesting plans up her sleeve. I wonder if she'll end up as a major threat again.

I would've been okay with that if they made the Mark of Mastery as the beginning part of Kingdom Hearts 3. But instead, they've made it into another handheld game and then did the HD remasters and then doing X(Chi) for PC, then redoing it as Unchained X for IOS/Andriod, making it also part of the plot, then doing 2.8, and then porting the remasters for PS4.

That's enough to drive some people totally nuts. You've played the games on the previous consoles like PS2 and PS3 and such, there's really no need for Square to make people replay them on PS4 all over again. They'd get tired of playing the previous games and just want to go onto the next title already.

Eh, yeah, I've never really felt like that. Sure, I've anticipated the conclusion, but I'm always interested in the stories Nomura has told in the meantime. The announcement certainly made me super emotional though.

I was okay with Coded and even then after the DS release, I had been expecting KH3 to be the next title to be released. But things started to drive me nuts when Dream Drop Distance was released, and then X came which compilcated things, and then the HD remasters, and then 2.8. Again, like with Coded, just when I thought 2.8 was the last KH title before KH3's release....PS4 HD Remaster news came only and that really drove me close to the edge of a cliff.

I mean, when I first saw the early trailer of KH3, I was like, "YES! Finally!" and then when the other games and ports game, that crushed me.

I doubt there will be any major Compilation announcements throughout the Remake's life. Would be bad to cross wires like that, y'know?

I said "Maybe", and that's a pretty BIG maybe. But then I also said 'doubt' in my last post too. Then again, they have plans to add important material from the Compilation into the remake...who knows. But again, the doubt is more likely than possible.

 

[Ryuman]

People asked for the HD remasters, even the PS4 re-remaster. I think that if they can do it, then why not?. Besides, it's all pretty much in one place now, and the prologue to KH3 almost here. 2013 was definitely too early to announce KH3, but nothing seems to have hindered it aside from the engine switch early on.

My own opinion on why KH3 took until this point is a combination of Nomura genuinely wanting to flesh out some things, and Square not being able to produce such a highly anticipated title among so many other games and internal problems. I often think that this is the best outcome, myself

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

That's enough to drive some people totally nuts. You've played the games on the previous consoles like PS2 and PS3 and such, there's really no need for Square to make people replay them on PS4 all over again. They'd get tired of playing the previous games and just want to go onto the next title already.

You should really watch this video that Lulcielid posted in another thread:

Not only will the PS4 releases give more people an opportunity to experience this game series you appreciate (which should make you want more people to have this opportunity), but it will also give gamers the opportunity to purchase copies that function better since there were some programming issues with how those games were ported to the PS3 that almost ruined them.

 

[Lulcielid]

Tashasaurous, a piece of advice:

Maybe you could focus on something else, to keep your mind distracted from KHIII while we wait for it. It´s easy, watch a TV show, read some books, play non-KH videogames, hang out with friends, anything, just keep your mind distracted from KHIII and everything will be ok

 

[Tashasaurous]

Tashasaurous, a piece of advice:

Maybe you could focus on something else, to keep your mind distracted from KHIII while we wait for it. It´s easy, watch a TV show, read some books, play non-KH videogames, hang out with friends, anything, just keep your mind distracted from KHIII and everything will be ok

I've been doing that for the last nearly five years to prevent myself from being driven nuts before you even suggested this advice, but thanks anyway.

But the same time once and a while, I'd like to keep up to date with both Kingdom Hearts 3 and, as stupid as it sounds, any more info of even just a tiny piece of the Compilation once a week or maybe a few weeks.

But the more the final release of another spin off game of KH or anything I like gets closer by taking away one year, they keep on making more spin-offs that makes me wait for another two years and the cycle keeps going on and on and on.

Must be karma having cursed on me, but the more I distract myself by adding something else in my life while thinking I just have one more year to wait as the wait is nearing it's end, the more they add another year to make me wait for two years all over again.

It's like the game of monopoly. One step forward, two steps back and I've never for the life of me ever been able to finish that game since it's so compliated.

 

[Dashell]

There's absolutely NO reason, at ALL to not re release 1.5 and 2.5 on PS4... not one. (and don't say it's delaying KH III because it's not, they've said this a million times)

thinking I just have one more year to wait as the wait is nearing it's end

Then stop assuming the wait is nearing an end based on no evidence whatsoever

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

... the more they add another year to make me wait for two years all over again.

Your math confuses me.

 

[Tashasaurous]

There's absolutely NO reason, at ALL to not re release 1.5 and 2.5 on PS4... not one. (and don't say it's delaying KH III because it's not, they've said this a million times)

thinking I just have one more year to wait as the wait is nearing it's end

Then stop assuming the wait is nearing an end based on no evidence whatsoever

Well, they could at least tell us how many percent the game is so far completed rather than just keep on saying, "The development is coming along nicely" everytime KH3 is mentioned in their interviews. We've been hearing that comment for the last two years now.

None of the percent was mentioned or even at least even 40% of completion.

 

[Dashell]

They don't do that... that's not a thing they do. And they probably don't want to guess because people like you keep shitting your pants and scream at them and call them liars if the game doesn't come out when YOU estimate it.

I don't understand why you can't just be patient... I mean does your entire life really revolve around this game? Cause it really seems like it the way your freak out with every single piece of KH news with, "NOW WE HAVE TO WAIT EVEN LONGER OMGONGOMGOMGOMG!"


It'd be so nice to come into this topic when it's updated and see some actual discussion about the game going on and not just you freaking out and having a tempter tantrum every single time.

 

[Tashasaurous]

They don't do that... that's not a thing they do. And they probably don't want to guess because people like you keep shitting your pants and scream at them and call them liars if the game doesn't come out when YOU estimate it.

I don't understand why you can't just be patient...

They used to do that, as I've learned from the KH13 forums. I just feel like they say one thing in their interviews and you stick with that for a little bit, and then later you learn that they either remain silent for too long or that they changed their minds on such of things without alerting their fans, all because they want money. Sure it helps you survive in life and pay up all the bills and ect., but really, money is not the only important thing in the world.

For example, we weren't meant to get any kind of KH3 news last year despite them saying that we were supposed to earlier on last year, but didn't say anything much at all, and then they release two knew images of KH3 of Olympus Coliseum just to...I don't know, mix up gamers' feelings I guess?

I've waited for a decade for KH3 and I've waited for any more news regards to the Compilation and yet they still haven't said anything.

Just recently last year in October, they at least said that Final Fantasy X3 is possible but won't be starting due to other games they're working on. So at least that's sorted. I guess my patience is really running out and I just don't want to give it up while focusing on my daily life at the same time(and worrying about my family just increases my stress levels despite trying to keep that under control).

I'm not having a tantrum right now...I just wish Square would stop saying random things and leave everyone on edge. None of us are mind-readers and they can't expect anyone to be mind readers.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Tasha, you cause your own stress where this topic is concerned. Do you ever ask why most KH fans aren't this torn up over the issue on a daily basis?

The people making these games -- and the people providing the funds for them to do so -- are not sitting in their spinny office chairs jerkin' it while plotting how they can jerk you around too. Plans get changed for any number of reasons, from fiscal performance to scheduling conflicts to manpower to any number of other reasons. Sometimes things just take longer than expected despite someone giving it their full attention. Sometimes things even happen faster than expected too.

If this is causing you so much additional stress, then it's not filling the role in your life that it should be. This is not giving you joy, and you need to rediscover why you want this game in the first place.

 

[Tashasaurous]

Well, I wish they would at least make up their minds when it comes to development. Plus, as I've said before and I'm pretty certain a lot of people agree, developing so many games at the same time while trying to release them and make them to sastify everyone is really a bad idea.

That's why games from Square Enix get delayed almost all of the time.

One of the reasons why I want KH3 is because I want them to end the Xehanort Saga without adding anymore loose ends or adding now inner-stories which complicates KH3's storyline even further.

At least with the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII, it doesn't have the same problem. The Original Game has two sequels and two Prequels which aren't stuck in between of each other. Well, Before Crisis and Crisis Core are, but least they're told from different perspective, and the only problem the series has now is finishing up in filling the gap of between Dirge of Cerberus's Secret Ending and the at least text/dialogue of peace moving onward to 497 years later.

Plus, as much as I like X(chi)/Unchained X(Chi) and looking forward to both 0.2 Fragmenty Passage and Back Cover, we pretty much know what happened after the Keyblade War and that was an idea to use our imaginations on how it actually happened without adding the now shutdown PC game/Andriod game.

Or maybe I'm one of the biggest idiots who cares more about the storyline than the quality. I'm sorry about this, I really am.

 

[Lulcielid]

The game is still way of and some worlds are still untounched.
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2017/01/final-fantasy-vii-remake-kingdom-hearts-iii-still-ways-off/

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I would still expect it before the remake of VII.

 

[Dashell]

The game is still way of and some worlds are still untounched.
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2017/01/final-fantasy-vii-remake-kingdom-hearts-iii-still-ways-off/

I would still expect it before the remake of VII.

Oh god if that came out first, I'd be pissed

 

[ForceStealer]

There isn't a set of circumstances outside it being like an hour before the world ends or something that I would be pissed about the Remake's release

 

[Dashell]

There isn't a set of circumstances outside it being like an hour before the world ends or something that I would be pissed about the Remake's release

what if it was incomplete and buggy like Sonic Boom or Sonic 06?

 

[Tashasaurous]

This is seriously, utterly, ridiculously, and frustratingly way beyond the joke now. I was so hoping for some good news on KH3 and hoping for an bit of an good update.

The more bad news Nomura's giving us on KH3 and FFVII series, the more he and Square itself are losing fans and finance quicker than getting support. If I HAVE to wait until 2019 for KH3 and nothing on the Compilation of VII's future even next year, I'm going to form a club to find a way to sue them for wasting their time and slowing everything down and not really focusing on the most wanted games.

I'm sick of Nomura giving us disappointing news and I always knew that what he usually says in other previous interviews were nothing but more lies to keep people on the line until he finds the right moment to crush our hopes.

Money and anger grabbers, Square's really are.

 

[Dashell]

I'm going to form a club to find a way to sue them for wasting their time and slowing everything down and not really focusing on the most wanted games.

LMAO

I was waiting for your doom and gloom response. Now prove to me they're wasting their time.. oh yeah... you can't other than "Well I THOUGHT it would come out sooner, therefore it should." They're trying to put put a quality product. Good luck forming a club that want subpar product that runs like Sonic 06 that is willing to sue them over absolutely god damn nothing.

 

[Tashasaurous]

And this is where the game is gonna be a bombshell because they're too focused on the quality and not really focusing on the script or the story as much as they're supposed to do.

Some people on KH13 forums are concerned that the game itself will end up being cancelled and the series will end in a cliff-hanger forever.