Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Spoiler Thread
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The Twilight Mexican
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That's a good question. Hadn't thought about that until now, but it seems like such an obvious thing to wonder about once it's been said.
Kuja9001
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Blade
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Not sure if anyone tried this, but you know those 4 Soul Seed Traders throughout the world?
They tell different stories depending on who you give the most seeds to.
Luxerion > Soul Seeds are bought by the Order / Soul Seeds are souls / Alchemic Sidequest mention
Yusnaan > Someone who "ate" a Soul Seed and disappeared in to the Chaos (I think this is implied to have turned in to Aeronite).
Dead Dunes > A story about her tragic past with her husband.
Aryas (Wild Lands) > Talks about the origin of the Ultimate Weapon (not sure if this is related to the actual weapon or the monster).
They tell different stories depending on who you give the most seeds to.
Luxerion > Soul Seeds are bought by the Order / Soul Seeds are souls / Alchemic Sidequest mention
Yusnaan > Someone who "ate" a Soul Seed and disappeared in to the Chaos (I think this is implied to have turned in to Aeronite).
Dead Dunes > A story about her tragic past with her husband.
Aryas (Wild Lands) > Talks about the origin of the Ultimate Weapon (not sure if this is related to the actual weapon or the monster).
Kuja9001
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I'll leave this parting gift of Bhunivelze struggling to get the "car" started.
http://kuja9001.tumblr.com/post/93940374835/this-does-not-sound-right-at-all
http://kuja9001.tumblr.com/post/93940374835/this-does-not-sound-right-at-all
Clement Rage
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Y'know, maybe you've all had this discussion thirty pages ago, but the ending of this game bothers me.
Issue 1: It is, beat for beat, exactly the same as the end of the OG. Dajh/Serah back, god destroyed, old world destroyed but convenient new one nearby where humanity can finally carve out their fate on their own terms. I seem to remember a quote about the sequels being about giving Lightning a happy ending, but they gave her exactly the same ending she already had...so...
Issue 2: Motivations based solely on single people: In the OG, Light and Snow cared about "SERAH!", but, y'know, saving/destroying Cocoon was also kinda important. But here, everyone has one single motivation, saving the world is basically secondary to everybody except Vanille (and that's more about her own residual guilt than what happened before than because saving souls is a good thing in itself.) and Snow (because he has his priorities straight, not that losing "SERAH!" hasn't left its scars.)
Noel: Yeul! No!
Caius: Other Yeuls! No!
Sazh: Dajh! No!
Lightning: Serah! No!
Fang: Vanille! No! (I'll give them this one, that was always her thing)
Issue 3: If nobody remembers you, you don't get an afterlife? I just dislike this cosmology on principle, because people are more than other people's memories of them. That point is kind of made in game, but then the cosmology kind of contradicts it. You don't get to hear someone else's internal monologue, no matter how well you know them, your perception of somebody else is not necessarily a true one.. Also, hermits get no afterlife? That's not very fair. Am I misunderstanding this?
Issue 2: Motivations based solely on single people: In the OG, Light and Snow cared about "SERAH!", but, y'know, saving/destroying Cocoon was also kinda important. But here, everyone has one single motivation, saving the world is basically secondary to everybody except Vanille (and that's more about her own residual guilt than what happened before than because saving souls is a good thing in itself.) and Snow (because he has his priorities straight, not that losing "SERAH!" hasn't left its scars.)
Noel: Yeul! No!
Caius: Other Yeuls! No!
Sazh: Dajh! No!
Lightning: Serah! No!
Fang: Vanille! No! (I'll give them this one, that was always her thing)
Issue 3: If nobody remembers you, you don't get an afterlife? I just dislike this cosmology on principle, because people are more than other people's memories of them. That point is kind of made in game, but then the cosmology kind of contradicts it. You don't get to hear someone else's internal monologue, no matter how well you know them, your perception of somebody else is not necessarily a true one.. Also, hermits get no afterlife? That's not very fair. Am I misunderstanding this?
The Twilight Mexican
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You're misunderstanding, yes. It's more "no one remembers because you don't get an afterlife."
Unless I'm the one getting it backwards.
Unless I'm the one getting it backwards.
Blade
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So long as people exist and encounter other people, even if they just brushed past one another... there are residual "memories" of that person. (These memories don't have to be fond ones... they could just be a mother remembering her child, or a child remembering his/her parents or remembering the creepy old man next door).
Alyssa Zaidelle (I think that's how you spell her last name) had an issue of remembering her own name and appearance because almost nobody actually remembered her existence in the Chaos (her timeline was deleted in FFXIII-2, but even so the guy who had a crush on her still had residual memories of her existence)... she technically still existed, because SOMEONE remembered her... but because nobody remembered her name or what she looked like, she asked Lightning to find a photograph of herself so she could "remember herself" and what she used to look like.
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Clement Rage
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Okay, but there'd still be people that no one living remembers, right? Say, when the first cocoon fell, (in canon, there was enough mass death to jam open the gates of Valhalla, there'd be some people that everyone who knew/met them died at once.
Kuja9001
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This particular point would only occur when the soul of the person is destroyed.
Clement Rage
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How many quests are in this game? I hear you need 60 to get to the souped up final boss. I failed the Diviner one because I answered a telephone box on my way to it, I'm not bothering with 'Kill All the Skeletons' or 'Kill Everything'because they're too time consuming, but there doesn't seem to be any more of them. Which puts me at 58.
(For a one star quest, 'Voices from the Grave' has lots of legwork, I still can't find ghost number three)
(For a one star quest, 'Voices from the Grave' has lots of legwork, I still can't find ghost number three)
Splintered
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You can get 60 out of 66 sidequests throughout the first time. But from what I heard you don't need sixty for the harder version, you just need to get to the Ultimate lair and be on a New Game+, and you'll definitely get it if you have 58.
Lex
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No wonder I had such problems the first time I did this! I was fighting Bhunivelze+!!!!
How did I not know this omg. Splintered I just checked both the Piggyback guide and some online places and you definitely don't need to be on New Game+ to fight Bhuni+, you just need to complete the ultimate lair (could they not have thought of a better name for this place) which has the pre-requisite of having the "secret" day unlocked by completing that many quests.
How did I not know this omg. Splintered I just checked both the Piggyback guide and some online places and you definitely don't need to be on New Game+ to fight Bhuni+, you just need to complete the ultimate lair (could they not have thought of a better name for this place) which has the pre-requisite of having the "secret" day unlocked by completing that many quests.
Jeanette
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I beat Bhunivelze with new game+ because I ran out of time on my first play. The ultimate lair for me was a pain in the ass. I only beat three monsters and then it was so hard I quit and I ended up doing more missions instead.
Jeanette
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You mean if you run out of time? Dont think he does.
I remember when you first talk to him and if you click talk on him more than once he imitates a marketplace guy. Hes says Welcome then something else I dont remember. The banter between him and Light is funny too.
I remember when you first talk to him and if you click talk on him more than once he imitates a marketplace guy. Hes says Welcome then something else I dont remember. The banter between him and Light is funny too.
I don't wanna be a bother, but I was cleaning out folders on my comp and when I got to my FF ulti translation folders(there's a notepad that goes with them with translations to caps of the Japanese text), I couldn 't find a translation to pair with this cap. All I know is it was in the XIII folder, so it's related to this game(unless I effed up and stuck one from anther FF in there which I don't think I did).
Maybe someone could help me and translate this snippet when/if it's convenient for them? The whole thing, not just the red if it's not too much trouble.
Maybe someone could help me and translate this snippet when/if it's convenient for them? The whole thing, not just the red if it's not too much trouble.
Splintered
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Is this the same vault that detailed plans of more Sazh development?
Kuja9001
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Yes, this is the same vault has the ideas that are actually good.
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The only person is see as his VA is Troy Baker.