Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

ForceStealer

Double Growth
Yuna's does it too :monster:

(Also, I can jump at will, wha was Fangu on about earlier? That was the original XIII that you could only jump on designated areas.)
 

Lex

Administrator
I was going to say something but I didn't understand. Jumping around is super fun <3

I've made some progress, comments on the story so far:

I already like the narrative. In terms of what the characters say it's just a whole lot more direct than any previous title, where they just didn't really talk about what was happening properly. Lightning and Hope's conversations in the Ark the first time were super interesting. He's not really Hope? Hmmmmm, interesting times.

It's taken me a few hours to get to grips with the best way to manage everything re: time, battles, schema customisation and stuff. The Cloud outfit is fucking OP btw, it's a one hit kill on every monster I've come across so far. Although I tend to stagger them with other stuff before using "Slayer", and when they're not staggered I use heavy slash. Full of win. Win everywhere.

Just in Luxerion doing some sidequests now <3
 

Lex

Administrator
More of you need to start talking about this game here because I don't want to spam it up ;-;

Anyway day 1 (of me playing the game) is complete. As usual, I'm being a terrible completionist pain and trying to do absolutely everything I can, and I'll be honest, it's a bit of a bitch to plan all that out in a game that has certain things in certain times ;-; bit it's still pretty great.

Also, how to structure poast with proper spoiler warnings... open world gameplay is a bitch.

The following tag has spoilers for Luxerion (all of it), main quests 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 1-5, 3-1, 3-2, Noel, Vanille, Snow, Hope, Moogles, The Wildlands, Yeul and story cutscenes up til the end of day 2 in-game. Oh, and about 19 sidequests, most in Luxerion but 7 or so in the Wildlands. I saved at the Ark.

Took me a while to get to grips with everything but I feel fairly proficient in blocking at the correct moments now, even if it's still a bit of a pain. I like the battle system. From an objective standpoint it's better than XIII or XIII-2's in terms of strategy if I'm honest, but I prefer the paradigm system.

The degree of freedom with the schema micromanagement is really cool but I find it a little overwhelming and I think it's stupid that 2 different schemas can't share weapons and abilities and accessories even though they're universal weapons, skills and accessories. Like I have to have thunder twice to have it simultaneously equipped on 2 different builds (even if one of them is in reserve!) which is a bit dumb but hey ho.

Still getting to grips with how to stagger effectively. I mean I understand exactly how it works, but I keep making the mistake of pausing to think in battle when you're supposed to constantly attack. Either that or I don't keep enough of an eye on the ATB and I'm pressing the button even though the game is like NOOOOOO SWITCH YOU IDIOT. But again, it's all good.

Exploration is actually surprisingly fun. Running around and jumping and climbing up ladders and stuff, it's a hoot. One thing that irks me a little is the chests that cost EP or the chests that have red swirliness on them and can't be opened yet for whatever reason and NOTHING IN GAME TELLS YOU WHY THIS IS I MEAN WHEN CAN I OPEN THEM

Also soooooooooo many shops everywhere wtf. I don't have a problem with it but there are a lot of them.

I love the open world gameplay. I just love it. The only area I've completely explored is Luxerion, I've seen most of the Wildlands too. I did a quick pit stop in Dead Dunes at one point and I automatically fell in love with the place, which is weird because I'm not a desert-loving person normally but I just thought it was great (possibly just the music did this for me :D).

OK story:

Snow is hot. I haven't seen him since the prologue but he's just so delicious. Anyway, I like what they did with his character etc. Noel, I also kind of liked his storyline too but I felt like he just kind of flip-flopped. One minute he's the most determined person ever then the next he's like "no this is wrong". Well OK then Noel. It didn't bother me that much probably because I'm glad he saw the light (lol).

Vanille: VERY INTERESTING. I've just done the quest where you meet her again for the first time and she explains about the chaos and stuff, so I'm wondering where that's going. And obviously that'll lead to going to see Fang which I can't fucking wait for.

Nursed my chocobo back to health and called him Odin (because it's Odin. I mean I don't know if that's a thing that comes up again later but it's very clear that this is who it is from the things they all say about him).

Went to Moogle Village in the Wildlands and literally howled with laughter at the hug scene between Mog and Lightning. The Moogle village is really pretty.

Overall very interested to see where the story is going and I prefer the narrative to previous games - it's just a lot more direct in terms of what the characters actually say to each other. It's all about them and their history and there's no floaty weird makes-no-sense crap dialogue between them which is awesome.

Side-quests: I've seen reviews moaning that it's just a lot of fetch quests and "collect x of this" but I'm like... what else do you expect? I've never seen side-quests that are so arbitrary so damn fleshed out either. Every single NPC has a voice actor and honestly I struggle not to skip dialogue sometimes. You're talking about minutes listening to some dude tell you he lost a shoe on the other side of the world 50 years ago. You're just like DUDE I DON'T CARE LET ME JUST GO GET THE SHOE! However this is awesome and they put a lot of effort into it.

Sidequest where Lumina turned some random person into a cat was hilarious but also quite challenging when you have to avoid all the cats near the end of it.

The music in this game is phenomenal so far.

I think that's it for today :monster:
 

Alex Strife

Ex-SOLDIER
I have it! And I was pretty excited, which is always welcome with a FF title.

Just as Bravely Default, I am playing with Japanese audio + Spanish text. Way cool!

Prologue was good and fun. Tried the Cloud dress and boy it IS wild! Finishing fights with it is full of win. Love it.

I'm just before entering the teleporting thing... and tomorrow I won't be able to play. Oh well, shall wait until Sunday!

Feelings are good in many areas as a game. But my "fears" were kind of confirmed. The game feels too disconnected from the previous two. Like those two games were just silly introductions and this is the only game that matters. I do not like that. But of course, I'm embracing the storyline and it's not too bad so it destroys my enjoying the game, so... I guess I'm easy to please, sometimes.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
SHIT I completely forgot you can play this with Japanese audio! Anyway doing this with English audio atm, it's nice to hear Ali's voice again.

I think I'm on day... 4? And I am finding this game strangely addictive. It's not half as bad as I feared. I could type up a longer rant about how the clock and the lack of 'obvious chaptering' works well and stuff but I'll just say 'I'm just gonna do this one more thing...'

So far I'm really enjoying this.
 

Blade

That Man
AKA
Darkside-Ky/Mimeblade
Unfortunately I changed my mind at the last minute before Pre-ordering, so I think I'll hold off on LR for now... at least until the price drops.

I got my reasons, three of which being:

Strider (coming on Tuesday of next week)
BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma (March 25th)
Guilty Gear Xrd: Sign (Sometime in Fall of this year I'm thinking).

Yeah, can't pass those up, LR can wait. :)
 

Lex

Administrator
I've played for 19 hours total in game and I'm only just starting Day 4 0_0. I mainly spent day 3 doing side quests. I've been using Chronostasis constantly to give myself more time to do things, but I can't tell you the number of times I've started a quest then not been able to complete it til later due to the time thing. It's a cool little feature but it does get in the way sometimes.

Those behemoths (Reavers in this game) in the Wildlands and the Harvesters in the Rocky Crag area give you 2EP when you kill them. So far I've spent most of my time in the Wildlands using chronostasis to finish things - I spent all of Day 3 here until there was nothing left to do then went to Luxerion to finish a couple of quests there. When I ran out of chronostasis I just killed the reavers - they're tough at first but very easy when you get a strategy down, and especially when you block one of their attacks on time (instant stagger).

I'm still not sure how "stagger levels" work. I think I'm too busy thinking about the mechanics of the old games and I can't get my head round how you can have a level 2 or whatever stagger. I have the guide but I don't want to open it yet until I've tried to do everything in game, it's my FF ritual to complete it once and try to fully explore as much as possible without using the guide ;-;.

Aside from a few quests I'm completely done with Luxerion. In the Wildlands I've started Sazh's quest and got 3 of the soul fragments, as well as full healed my chocobo (but I did that on day 2). Man, feeding him those re-grown Yeul's flowers on day 3 to get him to his max health made him so overpowered in battle! Odin <3

Anyway, I'm going to dive deeper into Yusnaan today and hopefully the Dead Dunes aswell. Vanille said Fang is in the Dead Dunes and honestly I couldn't be more excited to see my favourite character again!!

Btw no one messaged me about that "art of war" DLC for the xbox 360. The code is just sitting there - I don't know anyone in real life who's playing this game on XBox so if anyone wants it just send me a PM. And I mean anyone :)
 

Claymore

3x3 Eyes
At the moment, I'm not sure what to make of this game. I guess my thinking is aligned with Alex Strife at this current time. I definitely need more time with the game to form a full opinion, but my immediate thoughts are:

1. I hate the game clock. Just as I knew I would
2. The action RPG setup is more enjoyable than I thought - the demo really didn't do it any favours
3. The
'everyone against Lightning because did we really ever knew her? Really?'
thing that seems to be regurgitating so far. Or is this all just a sly dig by SE with the constant personality alterations that she has gone through with each installment?
4. Ugly textures, but I can forgive it because you've given us a big world to explore ... except point number 1 :loopy:

Logging in more game time later, so will see how I get on. Though I've got tons of combinations so far, I'm kind of reluctant to get rid of my Cloud and Yuna DLC and switch it out for anything else ... so that part of the game has failed massively for me personally right now. Maybe that will change...
 

Hisako

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AKA
Satsu, BRIAN BLESSED, MIGHTY AND WISE Junpei Iori: Ace Detective, Maccaffrickstonson von Lichtenstafford Frabenschnaben, Polite Krogan, Robert Baratheon
I've seen a lot of gushing online, but I've also seen quite a lot of hate for the game. It seems to come down to the idea that people think the story itself is an awful, hot mess.

Regardless, I'll keep an eye out for it :monster:
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
It really is. It really, really is.

Fortunately, I couldn't have had more hate for LR than XIII-2, so I just kind of coasted through the train wreck with a devil-may-care attitude.
 

Lex

Administrator
I can't comment on anything beyond the main quest line so far (which I've just completed, I've just finished Day 7 - not completed the game yet obviously, got lots of things to grind and some side quests to finish) but I - so far - have absolutely no problem with the story.

It's leaps and bounds better than what was in XIII-2, and has exceeded my expectations in every way. I'm not kidding.
Fang and Lightning discussing the gods of the world at the 3 murals in the Dead Dunes totally blew my mind.

So far I think they've been incredibly faithful to the characters. Far more so than XIII-2. I'll see how I feel when I finish the game though, this obviously isn't a final opinion.
 

The Twilight Mexican

Ex-SeeD-ingly good
AKA
TresDias
I won't disagree that it's faithful to the characters. There's some genuinely good moments in there. It's more the overall plot and plot devices that can eat my ass.

But, yeah, it is better than XIII-2 in much the same way that "At World's End" was better than "Dead Man's Chest" -- some genuinely good moments, but with the whole thing hinging on a catastrofuck that it still fails to justify the existence of.
 

Claymore

3x3 Eyes
Question, what happens if you don't complete the main quests before the world ends? Is it a new game + type situation where you can start over with everything you've found / achieved so far?
 

Groodon

That XIII guy
I like your spam Lex, keep spamming! :D <3
I really like the game so far. Though I don't know how I feel about the clock, I think I would feel more comfortable if the story quests had a time limit, and after that you can do as you please for how long you want. But then again, that wouldnt make sense with the whole thirteen days stuff. My boy Sazh got as little time as he always get. Does anyone know why they give him, one of the most liked characters, so little time on screen? Don't they like him in Japan?
Overall, I think the game is great, but still really bummed about Sazh's screentime :(
Oh, and I also want more places for schematas.
 
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Lex

Administrator
I wasted from 2pm to 9pm (in game) retrying different strategies on Caius. I saved before it but I'm not resetting, that was too damn difficult and tbh the timing they expect you to pull off on the guards is just ridiculous. This has been my first true "ugh" moment of the game. Probably be much easier on a new game plus or if I'd left him til later but considering it's "3-3" and I've already done "4-5" and the rest of them it should not be that damn hard. Jesus.

Finished with a score of 1 and no stars. Took 6 minutes and 36 seconds. I also used 4 hi potions, an ether, arise, a phoenix down, curaga 3 times (my EP level is 8) and an overclock.

It is entirely possible I took him on too early, I'm only on day 5.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
It's 9 am and I can't get out of the place I am in.
Snow's palace.
When I leave the PS3 on for more than 5 minutes it automatically pauses.

Hm.

Also shit no I thought "temple of the Goddess" was the church thingy in Luxerion so I clicked Lex's spoiler tag :( Guh I should just not be here. I never learn.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
Yeah, that is a really nice piece!! Very well done indeed!

I got out, by the way, defeated the enemy. (What a cunt!!) But now I think I'm running a little short on days, lol.
 

Lex

Administrator
I tried the
Caius fight again and managed to get a slightly better score after 4 attempts (which failed, not in which I succeeded and got a bad score in). Don't ask me why, I'm a sadist. But yeah genuinely believe that one is a bit unfair. I mean I know we've already discovered the numbering of the chapters means absolutely nothing - and I think they expected people to fail because if you escape then leave there's a Yeul standing at the entrance who warps you straight back to just before the fight so you don't have to go through the dungeon again.

And I've done 42 side quests so far and the rest of the main story so I'm a bit like... I should be overpowered? However, I did a bit of reading and apparently the rest of the bosses automatically increase in stats the longer you leave them - the exception being Caius. So I can only really think that they intended for that quest to be done a lot later than when I attempted it.

In the end I used Jump and Artemis's Arrows to stagger him quickly in the commando phase and just hammered him with -ga magic in the Ravager phase. Nightmare.
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
That fanart is gorgeous. I love the old school Amano flavor.

I wasted from 2pm to 9pm (in game) retrying different strategies on Caius. I saved before it but I'm not resetting, that was too damn difficult and tbh the timing they expect you to pull off on the guards is just ridiculous. This has been my first true "ugh" moment of the game. Probably be much easier on a new game plus or if I'd left him til later but considering it's "3-3" and I've already done "4-5" and the rest of them it should not be that damn hard. Jesus.

Finished with a score of 1 and no stars. Took 6 minutes and 36 seconds. I also used 4 hi potions, an ether, arise, a phoenix down, curaga 3 times (my EP level is 8) and an overclock.

It is entirely possible I took him on too early, I'm only on day 5.
The boss fights in this game are insane. I thought it was a fluke when I fought
Snow
on day 6 because apparently his difficulty sky rockets at that time, but no. Every boss has kicked my ass.

I managed to get Caius the second time around but I used all my EP (I think I had 4) and all of my items including my ether ;^;. It didn't help that I had a really inefficient schemata set up, and I wasted all my items getting there.

So once I reached Caius's place, lost, I had to run all the way back down. Luckily I set up my paradigm more efficiently and cleared that place easily. Managed to beat Caius with three stars.

Not to get spoilery but you will get to fight a Chocobo eater in a chaos cloud, and he's even harder.

Eventually I learned the go to strategy when fighting any enemy was defensive. Just set up one set to be one of your schematas with heavy guard and natural defenses (I use Paladin), throw on a 75% resistant accessory on, and weapons that promote guard defense- and use that as your debuffer. And just switch to it whenever the boss is doing a move since all of them can be somewhat predicted. I managed to fight two more bosses with that.

... Got no stars but hey I beat them.

1. I hate the game clock. Just as I knew I would
It use to bother me, but it's really easy to work around. Just Chronostasis absolutely everything.

I've got about five days left with nothing really left to do so now I'm just exploring and trying some of the new schemata that aren't actually good but I still want to experiment with.

I think I'll try to extinct some of the species. I killed off a few, and got an extinct weapon from the skeletons (which is actually awesome).

I accidentally ran into the optional super boss today- in the dead dunes. He tore me up, and made me use all my items, and when I barely touched his hp he got bored and flew away. What an asshole.

Oh yeah, I got a Limosa and a Girdanian sword, both are from FFXIV. That was interesting. Not as good as
Caius's
sword or the extinct skeleton sword but if you managed to get it early on, it's a nice weapon.
 
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Lex

Administrator
Yay Splintered commenting on stuff <3

I hadn't thought about a defensive strategy like that for some reason - like having a schemata set up purely for defence and debuffing. Those 75% resistance accessories nerf your magic and strength though? Does that have an effect on the efficacy or sticking of debuffs? If not it's a great strat. I might set it up as a sub schema for tough enemies since those accessories wouldn't really be useful on any other schema really.

I didn't have problems with any of the bosses at all until
Caius. I know Aeronite is going to be an uber bitch to kill, apparently you need to stagger him 4 times to be able to do enough damage to kill him before he flies away.

Gotta be honest though, I love the battle system. A lot more than I thought I would.
 
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