SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke
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Someonesbunny
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Alternatively, if Aerith lives (and does not become a lifestream entity) and Tifa dies (and does not piece Cloud together again), Sephiroth wins.
Going out on a limb here, that sounds like the bad ending.
Going out on a limb here, that sounds like the bad ending.
GamerSkull
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But Aerith will piece him together this time… /s
Eerie
Fire and Blood
I've said it a number of times when this theory showed up here, but the two girls aren't interchangeables, they have clear roles that had been very well defined in Remake and there could not be any turnaround that. I never had that worry because I knew Tifa was never going to die. People who say that are people who want her to die, mostly for shipping reasons (and no they're no CTs lol, CTs know that they become a happy couple, why would we want any change at all lol).
GamerSkull
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Yeah, I remember it was a popular theory after Remake. It never sat well with me though because the story actually needs Aerith existing in the Lifestream to work. And since Tifa is not an Ancient, she couldn’t be the one to do it.
starcape91
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When a friend of mine who is a casual FFVII fan saw the key art with Tifa, Aerith and Sephiroth, his initial reaction was: "Oooh, they're going to make you choose who to save." I had to take a couple minutes to do some deep breathing before I replied since I value his friendship lol
The idea that it's all player choice, and "which flavor of girl" do you like, is rooted very much in sexism and totally diminishes both Tifa and Aerith.
Anyway. I gently told him that was a crap theory.
Eerie
Fire and Blood
Exactly, what would be Tifa's role then? None. Her role is to help Cloud with his identity problem and she is the only one who can do it. Why? Because she is the one who knew him as a kid in a way others didn't, but also because she's the only one he'd let inside his head: the Lifestream scene is a huge confession scene and it's really not impossible that they push for a CT kiss there, IMHO, given how many fans have not understood that.
GamerSkull
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I think the idea that it is up to player choice is a misconception. Cloud is a set character anyway.
There may be dialogue options but this is no Mass Effect, the story doesn’t change much regardless of player input.
There may be dialogue options but this is no Mass Effect, the story doesn’t change much regardless of player input.
Maidenofwar
They/Them
It's not so much wanting Tifa to die, but wondering if shippers would stay the same, much like the Zack question I assume people here would rather any character live even if only one remains dead, so hypothetically if Tifa had died in Gongaga say would there still be CT shippers.
Another scenario is people used to make fun of CA or those who liked the pair because of the beating up scene in the ToTA in the original game or Cloud raising his sword at her in Forgotten Capital. This game It's what happens in Gongaga and in ToTA this time to Tifa. I've saw this used against those who like CT and CT much like attacking Aerith was used previously. In general, I don't understand these strategies?
I'm really liking Zack Rebirth currently. Just arrived in Nibelheim.
Another scenario is people used to make fun of CA or those who liked the pair because of the beating up scene in the ToTA in the original game or Cloud raising his sword at her in Forgotten Capital. This game It's what happens in Gongaga and in ToTA this time to Tifa. I've saw this used against those who like CT and CT much like attacking Aerith was used previously. In general, I don't understand these strategies?
I'm really liking Zack Rebirth currently. Just arrived in Nibelheim.
starcape91
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People who used Cloud hurting Aerith in The Temple of the Ancients as fuel to say he didn't like Aerith are full of crap. He was under Sephiroth's control. Romance and shipping aside, he would never purposefully want to hurt any of his friends.
Glad you're enjoying Zack. Zack is such a beautiful boy lol
luminous03
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Everyone, how do you think part 3 is going to happen ? And i am talking about cloud's case and his acknowledgement of aerith's death.
So i was surfing through twitter until a salty clerieth post pops up ( i dnt kw why it keeps getting recommended to me ) that talks about tifa's sequence in the livestream and how she knows now that cloud was trying to save her and even stating it to the boy himself but it seems that her words has no effect so aerith will have to interfere and she will be the one to fix his mind.
And tbh, rebirth adds and changes somethings which will build up opportunities to craft theories but at the same time it makes me worry that they might change some of the original sequences ( i actually got disappointed when they didn't add the burial scene )
So i was surfing through twitter until a salty clerieth post pops up ( i dnt kw why it keeps getting recommended to me ) that talks about tifa's sequence in the livestream and how she knows now that cloud was trying to save her and even stating it to the boy himself but it seems that her words has no effect so aerith will have to interfere and she will be the one to fix his mind.
And tbh, rebirth adds and changes somethings which will build up opportunities to craft theories but at the same time it makes me worry that they might change some of the original sequences ( i actually got disappointed when they didn't add the burial scene )
Rose Alive
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They're not going to take away Tifa's role in the Lifestream scene. They already hinted at it in Gongaga, and it's one of the most important scenes in the OG and it's crucial for Tifa's arc.
No worries there friend.
GamerSkull
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I think we’ll see the actual stab or at the very least the burial scene during the Northern Cave bit, it will be used in addition to the revelation that Cloud was apparently never at Nibelheim to break Cloud.
I think the Lifestream sequence will still happen as is with some minor additions/changes.
I don’t see any evidence on why it might be different. Perhaps they’ll omit the mountain stuff since we got that revealed here but that’s still not a huge change.
Empyrea
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They really want Aerith to have Tifa's role so bad...
gulava
Lv. 25 Adventurer
for one, im glad they removed that scene in rebirth
starcape91
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I think that the burial scene happened, but we won't get to see it until sometime in Part 3.
Tifa has to walk through several events and feelings with Cloud in the Lifestream before her words start to reach him. Just saying something to him as he is now won't do anything, considering Sephiroth's current level of manipulation and control. He's gotta hit rock bottom (the first visit to the Northern Cave, when Tifa's belief in him wavers) before he can be built up again (the Lifestream). He has to be completely stripped down to get to the point where he not only has to show Tifa everything, but wants to show Tifa everything. Every tender "sealed up wish" that "no one can ever know". In the OG it's like little Cloud is waiting for her. He needs and wants her to know everything. He can't hide anymore, not from her. His very life, identity, soul, depends on it.
gulava
Lv. 25 Adventurer
the aerith in CAs headcanons sounds like a mary sue and i hate it because i love aerith
they want her to be both the planet savior and cloud’s; according to them she is the only one worthy of spotlight
GamerSkull
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Wouldn’t make sense… since Aerith would be going around looking at Cloud’s memories of Tifa. Do they think Cloud’s motivation for joining Soldier will be changed? Can’t be, there was a short story recently that acknowledged it.
Empyrea
Pro Adventurer
Quite old news, but I have heard others say that because Aerith's a Cetra, she can access Cloud's memories and help restore him (funny enough, that's sometimes coupled with Tifa dying, so Aerith can read off Tifa's memories in the Lifestream like a cheat sheet in an exam). Of course, that ignores what memories are uncovered in that sequence, but yeah.
I like Remake!Aerith at least, so I would hope she isn't reduced to that. Even if I didn't, it just makes the story worse, imo.
GamerSkull
Pro Adventurer
Have Cetra been known to access people’s memories at will though?
There may be an actual example but I can’t think of one at the moment.
gulava
Lv. 25 Adventurer
they can access memories as long as the individual is dead lol
i think it was mentioned in one of the novels? correct me if im mistaken
GamerSkull
Pro Adventurer
Can they? I always believed they can feel what the person is feeling as they pass on. Not that they can access their memories.
Eerie
Fire and Blood
They really did show a lot in the Gongaga sequence, however this is the favourite sequence of the devs. In fact the Lifestream sequence in the OG may not have any CGI scene (which is why many player underrated it) but it's one of the biggest sequences in the OG. I once replayed the OG and, arriving at that point thought "oh it's ok" without seeing the time, I had to crash the game and restart it next day because it was getting really late.
So they probably are breaking in two; in this sequence, we saw Tifa's memories. But in the next game, we're going to see Cloud's memories. And I think since they've shown a lot, they're going to focus on the intimate part, aka Cloud's feelings for Tifa.
Narratively though, this makes sense; after that big attack from Sephiroth and her losing hold on Cloud, she needed reassurance about him. This also refocus the Planet vs Sephiroth plot, and gives lore about the Weapons! Think about it now: One Weapon is attacking Junon later on... right where Tifa was held and was going to die; another one attacked Mideel, and Cloud and Tifa fall into the Lifestream. And if there are Weapons obeying the Planet, it also should mean that there are Weapons corrupted, maybe?
Hix
Pro Adventurer
Like it even contradicts Maiden - actual CA fanfiction - wherein Aerith has to admit only Tifa can piece together Cloud's broken mind because the pieces are literally Tifa.
In fact I'm not sure Cleriths have thought this one through. Do they really want their idealised version of Aerith to go into Cloud's conscious only to discover he loves and has always loved Tifa? Like ok, but I think Aerith (and everyone else really) deserves better than that.
gulava
Lv. 25 Adventurer
“Because it would be dangerous for her to come in contact with him, the woman tried to keep away from the man’s consciousness. Because of this, she couldn’t learn much of the man’s plot. However, just once, when the man’s spirit had suddenly appeared near her, she discovered that he had made his memories of Cloud the core of his being.”
“Beneath the surface of enmity were hidden memories. Memories from their lives as normal people. While unremarkable, they had many joyous memories as well. She released those thoughts and dissolved them into the Lifestream. Having lost the core of their emotions, the surface animosity disappeared”
On the Way to a Smile – Lifestream Black and Lifestream White - The Lifestream
A big thanks to Hitoshura who has now finished translating the new installment from the On the Way to a Smile book; the Lifestream White and Lifestream Black chapters. Each of these chapters were at the end of each On the Way to a Smile story of the book, for a total of 6 chapters.