SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[thetriplerhyme]

I'm not ZA though, if only because there is something missing from their relationship - I guess in CC/R they were just too young. I wanted him and Aerith to do more I guess? IDK but compared to CT, it feels something is missing - or maybe I'm too wary because of CoLW. I do see Rebirth as very pro-ZA though and hopefully the last game will push me over for that pair.

I'm a bit ZA too ( well actually more of a Zack ) but I get what you mean "I wanted him and Aerith to do more" - cloti is blessed with history, meeting each other again 7 years and together in ACC. They have a lot of ups and downs hence making them a realistic and healthy couple.

ZA is deprived with time ( Zack dying ) and hence it was 'cut-off' to actually 'do more' things together hence why Aerith must have regret it sooo much she kept repeating them to Cloud. who knows maybe this is the reason why they brought Zack back.

If they saw each other again ( timeline or Lifestream) maybe they'll deal with these issues and finally experiencing these ( not just goodtimes ).

 

[liuliuliu]

I like ZA but really nobody deserves Zack.

 

[starcape91]

Latest take is that CT fans wanted Tifa to die so that Cloud would be broken up about her. Do some of these people truly think that Aerith dying is romantic? That just shows they have 0% awareness of the actual world around them. Death is not romantic. Have they ever experienced someone close to them dying? Make it make sense please.

 

[GamerSkull]

Latest take is that CT fans wanted Tifa to die so that Cloud would be broken up about her. Do some of these people truly think that Aerith dying is romantic? That just shows they have 0% awareness of the actual world around them. Death is not romantic. Have they ever experienced someone close to them dying? Make it make sense please.

My biggest worry with Rebirth was that they’d kill Tifa instead of Aerith. Weird thing to worry about, I know but if was one of the theories floating around after Remake.

But yeah, kinda weird. Why would Cloti fans want her to die? Lol

 

[starcape91]

Now, I wouldn't say ZA is my OTP or anything but I love a good ship that's got yearning. What pushed me firmly into ZA territory was the end of CC/CCR where Zack's DMW gets destroyed as he dies but just keeps looping Aerith over and over as she's his reason for fighting. That makes me cry every time and makes the DMW mechanic totally worth it.

That part was genius, and destroys me emotionally, yes.

 

[Hix]

Latest take is that CT fans wanted Tifa to die so that Cloud would be broken up about her. Do some of these people truly think that Aerith dying is romantic? That just shows they have 0% awareness of the actual world around them. Death is not romantic. Have they ever experienced someone close to them dying? Make it make sense please.

Pretty sure CT fans are just fine with Tifa getting a kiss and staying alive, actually.

But yeah, kinda weird. Why would Cloti fans want her to die? Lol

It's projection.

In actuality, it's Cleriths who would love Tifa dying instead of Aerith. Obviously they'd have to backtrack a good bit on all the narrative spinning about "Cloud waiting for death to be reunited with his beloved", but not having to ignore/downplay Tifa's entire existence would make CA a lot more easier to argue for. Now if only we could deal with that pesky Zack guy...

 

[GamerSkull]

Pretty sure CT fans are just fine with Tifa getting a kiss and staying alive, actually.



It's projection.

In actuality, it's Cleriths who would love Tifa dying instead of Aerith. Obviously they'd have to backtrack a good bit on all the narrative spinning about "Cloud waiting for death to be reunited with his beloved", but not having to ignore/downplay Tifa's entire existence would make CA a lot more easier to argue for. Now if only we could deal with that pesky Zack guy...

Probably just shipping brainrot but… Tifa’s death would serve no purpose anyway. Sephiroth loses because Aerith dies.

 

[Someonesbunny]

Alternatively, if Aerith lives (and does not become a lifestream entity) and Tifa dies (and does not piece Cloud together again), Sephiroth wins.

Going out on a limb here, that sounds like the bad ending.

 

[GamerSkull]

Alternatively, if Aerith lives (and does not become a lifestream entity) and Tifa dies (and does not piece Cloud together again), Sephiroth wins.

Going out on a limb here, that sounds like the bad ending.

But Aerith will piece him together this time… /s

 

[Eerie]

My biggest worry with Rebirth was that they’d kill Tifa instead of Aerith. Weird thing to worry about, I know but if was one of the theories floating around after Remake.

I've said it a number of times when this theory showed up here, but the two girls aren't interchangeables, they have clear roles that had been very well defined in Remake and there could not be any turnaround that. I never had that worry because I knew Tifa was never going to die. People who say that are people who want her to die, mostly for shipping reasons (and no they're no CTs lol, CTs know that they become a happy couple, why would we want any change at all lol).

 

[GamerSkull]

I've said it a number of times when this theory showed up here, but the two girls aren't interchangeables, they have clear roles that had been very well defined in Remake and there could not be any turnaround that. I never had that worry because I knew Tifa was never going to die. People who say that are people who want her to die, mostly for shipping reasons (and no they're no CTs lol, CTs know that they become a happy couple, why would we want any change at all lol).

Yeah, I remember it was a popular theory after Remake. It never sat well with me though because the story actually needs Aerith existing in the Lifestream to work. And since Tifa is not an Ancient, she couldn’t be the one to do it.

 

[starcape91]

I've said it a number of times when this theory showed up here, but the two girls aren't interchangeables, they have clear roles that had been very well defined in Remake and there could not be any turnaround that. I never had that worry because I knew Tifa was never going to die. People who say that are people who want her to die, mostly for shipping reasons (and no they're no CTs lol, CTs know that they become a happy couple, why would we want any change at all lol).

When a friend of mine who is a casual FFVII fan saw the key art with Tifa, Aerith and Sephiroth, his initial reaction was: "Oooh, they're going to make you choose who to save." I had to take a couple minutes to do some deep breathing before I replied since I value his friendship lol

The idea that it's all player choice, and "which flavor of girl" do you like, is rooted very much in sexism and totally diminishes both Tifa and Aerith.

Anyway. I gently told him that was a crap theory.

 

[Eerie]

Yeah, I remember it was a popular theory after Remake. It never sat well with me though because the story actually needs Aerith existing in the Lifestream to work. And since Tifa is not an Ancient, she couldn’t be the one to do it.

Exactly, what would be Tifa's role then? None. Her role is to help Cloud with his identity problem and she is the only one who can do it. Why? Because she is the one who knew him as a kid in a way others didn't, but also because she's the only one he'd let inside his head: the Lifestream scene is a huge confession scene and it's really not impossible that they push for a CT kiss there, IMHO, given how many fans have not understood that.

 

[GamerSkull]

I think the idea that it is up to player choice is a misconception. Cloud is a set character anyway.

There may be dialogue options but this is no Mass Effect, the story doesn’t change much regardless of player input.

 

[Maidenofwar]

It's not so much wanting Tifa to die, but wondering if shippers would stay the same, much like the Zack question I assume people here would rather any character live even if only one remains dead, so hypothetically if Tifa had died in Gongaga say would there still be CT shippers.

Another scenario is people used to make fun of CA or those who liked the pair because of the beating up scene in the ToTA in the original game or Cloud raising his sword at her in Forgotten Capital. This game It's what happens in Gongaga and in ToTA this time to Tifa. I've saw this used against those who like CT and CT much like attacking Aerith was used previously. In general, I don't understand these strategies?

I'm really liking Zack Rebirth currently. Just arrived in Nibelheim.

 

[starcape91]

It's not so much wanting Tifa to die, but wondering if shippers would stay the same, much like the Zack question I assume people here would rather any character live even if only one remains dead, so hypothetically if Tifa had died in Gongaga say would there still be CT shippers.

Another scenario is people used to make fun of CA or those who liked the pair because of the beating up scene in the ToTA in the original game or Cloud raising his sword at her in Forgotten Capital. This game It's what happens in Gongaga and in ToTA this time to Tifa. I've saw this used against those who like CT and CT much like attacking Aerith was used previously. In general, I don't understand these strategies?

I'm really liking Zack Rebirth currently. Just arrived in Nibelheim.

People who used Cloud hurting Aerith in The Temple of the Ancients as fuel to say he didn't like Aerith are full of crap. He was under Sephiroth's control. Romance and shipping aside, he would never purposefully want to hurt any of his friends.

Glad you're enjoying Zack. Zack is such a beautiful boy lol

 

[luminous03]

Everyone, how do you think part 3 is going to happen ? And i am talking about cloud's case and his acknowledgement of aerith's death.


So i was surfing through twitter until a salty clerieth post pops up ( i dnt kw why it keeps getting recommended to me ) that talks about tifa's sequence in the livestream and how she knows now that cloud was trying to save her and even stating it to the boy himself but it seems that her words has no effect so aerith will have to interfere and she will be the one to fix his mind.


And tbh, rebirth adds and changes somethings which will build up opportunities to craft theories but at the same time it makes me worry that they might change some of the original sequences ( i actually got disappointed when they didn't add the burial scene )

 

[Rose Alive]

talks about tifa's sequence in the livestream and how she knows now that cloud was trying to save her and even stating it to the boy himself but it seems that her words has no effect so aerith will have to interfere and she will be the one to fix his mind.

They're not going to take away Tifa's role in the Lifestream scene. They already hinted at it in Gongaga, and it's one of the most important scenes in the OG and it's crucial for Tifa's arc.

No worries there friend.

 

[GamerSkull]

Everyone, how do you think part 3 is going to happen ? And i am talking about cloud's case and his acknowledgement of aerith's death.


So i was surfing through twitter until a salty clerieth post pops up ( i dnt kw why it keeps getting recommended to me ) that talks about tifa's sequence in the livestream and how she knows now that cloud was trying to save her and even stating it to the boy himself but it seems that her words has no effect so aerith will have to interfere and she will be the one to fix his mind.


And tbh, rebirth adds and changes somethings which will build up opportunities to craft theories but at the same time it makes me worry that they might change some of the original sequences ( i actually got disappointed when they didn't add the burial scene )

I think we’ll see the actual stab or at the very least the burial scene during the Northern Cave bit, it will be used in addition to the revelation that Cloud was apparently never at Nibelheim to break Cloud.

I think the Lifestream sequence will still happen as is with some minor additions/changes.

I don’t see any evidence on why it might be different. Perhaps they’ll omit the mountain stuff since we got that revealed here but that’s still not a huge change.

 

[Empyrea]

So i was surfing through twitter until a salty clerieth post pops up ( i dnt kw why it keeps getting recommended to me ) that talks about tifa's sequence in the livestream and how she knows now that cloud was trying to save her and even stating it to the boy himself but it seems that her words has no effect so aerith will have to interfere and she will be the one to fix his mind.

They really want Aerith to have Tifa's role so bad...

 

[gulava]

]People who used Cloud hurting Aerith in The Temple of the Ancients as fuel to say he didn't like Aerith are full of crap. He was under Sephiroth's control. Romance and shipping aside, he would never purposefully want to hurt any of his friends.

Spoiler: chapter 13 spoilers

for one, im glad they removed that scene in rebirth

 

[starcape91]

Everyone, how do you think part 3 is going to happen ? And i am talking about cloud's case and his acknowledgement of aerith's death.


So i was surfing through twitter until a salty clerieth post pops up ( i dnt kw why it keeps getting recommended to me ) that talks about tifa's sequence in the livestream and how she knows now that cloud was trying to save her and even stating it to the boy himself but it seems that her words has no effect so aerith will have to interfere and she will be the one to fix his mind.


And tbh, rebirth adds and changes somethings which will build up opportunities to craft theories but at the same time it makes me worry that they might change some of the original sequences ( i actually got disappointed when they didn't add the burial scene )

I think that the burial scene happened, but we won't get to see it until sometime in Part 3.

Tifa has to walk through several events and feelings with Cloud in the Lifestream before her words start to reach him. Just saying something to him as he is now won't do anything, considering Sephiroth's current level of manipulation and control. He's gotta hit rock bottom (the first visit to the Northern Cave, when Tifa's belief in him wavers) before he can be built up again (the Lifestream). He has to be completely stripped down to get to the point where he not only has to show Tifa everything, but wants to show Tifa everything. Every tender "sealed up wish" that "no one can ever know". In the OG it's like little Cloud is waiting for her. He needs and wants her to know everything. He can't hide anymore, not from her. His very life, identity, soul, depends on it.

 

[gulava]

They really want Aerith to have Tifa's role so bad...

the aerith in CAs headcanons sounds like a mary sue and i hate it because i love aerith
they want her to be both the planet savior and cloud’s; according to them she is the only one worthy of spotlight

 

[GamerSkull]

They really want Aerith to have Tifa's role so bad...

Wouldn’t make sense… since Aerith would be going around looking at Cloud’s memories of Tifa. Do they think Cloud’s motivation for joining Soldier will be changed? Can’t be, there was a short story recently that acknowledged it.

 

[Empyrea]

Wouldn’t make sense… since Aerith would be going around looking at Cloud’s memories of Tifa. Do they think Cloud’s motivation for joining Soldier will be changed? Can’t be, there was a short story recently that acknowledged it.

Quite old news, but I have heard others say that because Aerith's a Cetra, she can access Cloud's memories and help restore him (funny enough, that's sometimes coupled with Tifa dying, so Aerith can read off Tifa's memories in the Lifestream like a cheat sheet in an exam). Of course, that ignores what memories are uncovered in that sequence, but yeah.

the aerith in CAs headcanons sounds like a mary sue and i hate it because i love aerith

I like Remake!Aerith at least, so I would hope she isn't reduced to that. Even if I didn't, it just makes the story worse, imo.