Odysseus
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Yeah sorry. this thread is a lot to keep up with. Maybe I shouldn't butt in.People skim over threads sometimes, that's life
SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke
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Graymouse
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With the Harbinger>Sephiroth fight, it may just be that her numbers get beefed up there to make up for Tifa's faster paced combat. Otherwise, I imagine it would generally be difficult to give Aerith an even shot at appearing first without allowing Tifa to get a K.O. or taking control of her and holding her back.
... But then again, I have seen gameplay videos where Tifa didn't appear until after the battle, so maybe I'm wrong.
When I played through this part, Tifa joined my party first, then Barret joined. Aerith joined at the end with Rex XIII.
Do you think high affection points might factor into who joins the battle and who gets sidelined?
Yumelinh
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I just KNEW someone would pick at that
Other translations could be "Do what your heart tells you." or "Act according to your heart." But I guess they're equally cheesy.
That was one hell of a cheesy line! Because, as people pointed out here, Aerith could have very well just said "Do what you need to do!", but she went about Tifa follow her heart and then the next time we see her she's running towards Cloud so she can be reunited with Cloud (in a very dangerous situation for the record).
But then again, it's hard to judge what's that supposed to mean when we have a whole Sephiroth trowing cheesY lines here and there
Awn damn! That would have been way more romantic to me! xD "Go drag that dumbass to safety" would have worked too!!
Nahh! I don't think none of us really keep up with this thread hence why we keep coming back to the same topics over and over again
It's the fun of it ..I guess...
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The Twilight Mexican
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No, the points system is just based on the Harbinger fight.
Graymouse
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I am talking about the Sephrioth fight. I have seen videos where different members joins at the different stages of the fight? If that is the case what factors do you have to satisfy to get the different characters joining the fight.
chewbaka
Just hold on tight, okay?
whew. finally found some time to make a long post on PS. btw, i didn't spoil because of spoilers, but because it was a sudden new discussion and didn't want to barge without being polite 
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on the matter of him being 16 (not really relevant to the topic at hand), they really did him so well with his awkwardness and the tryhard coolness a teen struggles and tries at. it's much better than the portrayal of him in the OG, i think. but then again, we mostly just had text and slight body movements so perhaps it's not fair to compare.
yeah, after having another week to mull over it, i'm more up to warming to this portrayal. for the record, it wasn't fair the OG was so focused on aerith before her death (which contributed to me huge detest of her at the time), but then again, this huge turning of the tables this time around is still shellshocking me! i totally wasn't expecting it.
i was reading in the ultimania thread and i read that the hug was awkward, which smoothed me over into thinking it's a much better subtle setup for later on. regardless of how i like it, it's obvious that the awkward and half connections with cloud and tifa are going to be worked on in the future, so more likely than not there will be a proper hug that will be satisfactory.
again, to bring up the ultimania, i guess i just needed to read more information instead of just the game for myself. with the writers explaining some stuff, i can really think about and understand their purpose to make a build up for later parts. at this point, my gripes went from 70% to around 10 (the 10% being the jump out of the train, personally i would have made the cloti team wait for that in part 2, but there's my anal personality coming out againI know he doesn't look so but. Cloud is 16. In his head, at least, trying desperatly to look like an adult and to tackle things like an adult.
)on the matter of him being 16 (not really relevant to the topic at hand), they really did him so well with his awkwardness and the tryhard coolness a teen struggles and tries at. it's much better than the portrayal of him in the OG, i think. but then again, we mostly just had text and slight body movements so perhaps it's not fair to compare.
The Twilight Mexican
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Like I said, it's based on the Harbinger fight. =P
https://game8.co/games/Final-Fantasy-VII-Remake/archives/286731
Cat on Mars
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What are you even apologizing for? You've done nothing wrong. Relax.
I'll remember you what everybody told you about this on the other thread. Do not ever think you're annoying just because you don't always have the best or funniest thing to say (in your eyes, fyi), ok? Just have fun. Don't make me go all drill sargeant on you ass.
Relevant.That was one hell of a cheesy line! Because, as people pointed out here, Aerith could have very well just said "Do what you need to do!", but she went about Tifa follow her heart and then the next time we see her she's running towards Cloud so she can be reunited with Cloud (in a very dangerous situation for the record).
But then again, it's hard to judge what's that supposed to mean when we have a whole Sephiroth trowing cheeses lines here and there
Yeah! And I can see Aerith (specially EN Aerith) saying that lol
Graymouse
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Odysseus
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No, let me wallow in misery forever. How dare you /s
I dunno, it's kinda bad practice to post without reading isn't it? Especially if what I said had already been said by two other people. Whatever, I'm being dumb, ignore meeeee.
Anyway, so uh, how 'bout that scene where Aerith and Tifa grab onto cloud's arms and he looks like he wants to die? That was cute.
looneymoon
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I never really got into that line of thinking. I feel like it's a really weird take away from the story to look at the layers of Cloud/Aerith's relationship, and say "yeah all this romantic tension is slowly built up but because of later twists we realize he's actually sad about how his really awesome galpal got merked." Somehow, I don't think that's the line of thinking the writers had when they came to conceive these two characters.
Then again, I just read the summary of that FFX-2.5 novella and hoo-boy
I know I am being reductive here, but it's more of an effort to keep the convo lighthearted
I know it's more complicated than that, I would describe it in a more nuanced way as well. I do think it's a bit of a disservice to the story to obfuscate the romantic nature of Cloud and Aerith's relationship though.
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Strangelove
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man this thread is just trauma bingo nowThen again, I just read the summary of that FFX-2.5 novella and hoo-boy
anyway i hope tifa and aerith get to have a little scene where they go shopping together somewhere in the next game and then tifa's like 'i know it's not the plate, sorry' and aerith is all 'it's fine, i'm having a great time'
just gals being pals
then they kiss
billy22
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....Go on.
Strangelove
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then they do what all lesbians do
they move in together and share flannel shirts and raise cactus
they move in together and share flannel shirts and raise cactus
Yumelinh
Pro Adventurer
Was this reply really a direct response to what you quoted from my post or was it more about what I said earlier than that (about how Cloud's response to Aerith's death wouldn't have changed whether he loved her romantically or not?). Somehow it seems more fitting to that part (or I didn't get what you were trying to convey here, which is a possibility! seems to be happening a lot lately
) But in relation to what you quoted. I don't think any of what you said here really goes against what I said there, tbh. I wasn't discussing Cloud/Aerith's relationship per se. I was simply stating that it isn't a consensus around here what's the nature of Cloud's feelings for Aerith was, even tho the majority of people here do agree that he indeed had feelings for her.
billy22
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Headcanon ruined.
Strangelove
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not mine ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Ⓐaron
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If the thread's two pages long, sure. This already has more than a thousand posts, so that's not a realistic expectation. And:
People are gonna repeat each other. It happens. Genuinely not a big deal. There have already been far more repetitive sections of this thread. Don't beat yourself up over this.
Odysseus
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They start a farm on that catuar island.
Edit: no they start an acupuncture clinic there, and bring that one honey bee girl with them. So many needles...
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Edley
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This is the way.
If it wasn't SE, I'd put a 100% lock on Aerith flirting with Tifa in part 2.
Strangelove
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i just want nice, wholesome, heartwarming lesbian content
i had to fight spooky fate monsters, just give me this
they'd have a dozen cats
i had to fight spooky fate monsters, just give me this
this is ff7r, what was i thinking
they'd have a dozen cats
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looneymoon
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Was this reply really a direct response to what you quoted from my post or was it more about what I said earlier than that (about how Cloud's response to Aerith's death wouldn't have changed whether he loved her romantically or not?). Somehow it seems more fitting to that part (or I didn't get what you were trying to convey here, which is a possibility! seems to be happening a lot lately
Eugh... Probably
I post via mobile a lot of the time, and it's a constant struggle because I have big boomer energy.I was more responding because I guess I understand where Enthralled is coming from, though I think their tone is more heated than I care for. Whenever I take a look at this thread, it does look like it's full of shippers squee-ing about stuff. Which I don't think I'd find so off-putting if I was more into shipping like I used to be. Not trying to be a buzzkill (though I probably am
). I guess lately I can kinda see why someone who is partial to the Cloud/Aerith ship might find this thread/forum unwelcoming, though I don't think that's anyone's fault per se.
Ⓐaron
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i think people have gone out of their way to make this thread as welcoming as a thread dominated by people who share a particular opinion can be to people who don’t share that opinion, as long as the latter are not hostile about it and don’t repeat their arguments to the point of tedium. i mean, people (myself included) have even acknowledged their responsibility for contributing to a hostile atmosphere in the past, and apologised for doing so, and i think most of the regulars have done a pretty good job not getting heated in most cases (though there have been a few outbursts, but staff have shut those down pretty quickly).
of course, the big overhanging issue is that, well, this forum is dominated by that particular opinion, but i don’t think that’s something that can be fixed without restricting the terms of the discussion far more than they already have been. some of this is just because few of the people who don’t share that opinion stick around long. i think maidenofwar and enthralled are the only people who are still consistently arguing it to any significant extent, though i could be forgetting a few people (i openly admit to skimming a lot of the longer posts here because, as i’ve said before, i haven’t played ff7r yet and i’m just here to play statler and waldorf). if you’re bothered by the predominance of the cloudxtifa position here, be the change you want to see in the world! people aren’t going to argue your opinion for you.
but that’s easy for me to say when i don’t feel i have any personal stakes in the discussion.
(honestly, i don’t always even get worked up about discussions that do have personal stakes to me – these days, i’ll abstain from arguing politics in places where it’s likely just to stir up ill will, even though some issues like healthcare, disability rights, and queer rights are potentially life-and-death matters for me. i do enough activism in other aspects of my life that i don’t always feel a need to persuade everyone in my life to agree with my viewpoint all the time. i pick and choose my battles a lot more than i did when i was younger.)
anyway, i mean. i get why it’s intimidating to jump into a discussion where few people are expressing your viewpoint, but it’s not as if you’ll get run out of town on a rail for expressing it here, unless you’re just obnoxious about it.
of course, the big overhanging issue is that, well, this forum is dominated by that particular opinion, but i don’t think that’s something that can be fixed without restricting the terms of the discussion far more than they already have been. some of this is just because few of the people who don’t share that opinion stick around long. i think maidenofwar and enthralled are the only people who are still consistently arguing it to any significant extent, though i could be forgetting a few people (i openly admit to skimming a lot of the longer posts here because, as i’ve said before, i haven’t played ff7r yet and i’m just here to play statler and waldorf). if you’re bothered by the predominance of the cloudxtifa position here, be the change you want to see in the world! people aren’t going to argue your opinion for you.
but that’s easy for me to say when i don’t feel i have any personal stakes in the discussion.
(honestly, i don’t always even get worked up about discussions that do have personal stakes to me – these days, i’ll abstain from arguing politics in places where it’s likely just to stir up ill will, even though some issues like healthcare, disability rights, and queer rights are potentially life-and-death matters for me. i do enough activism in other aspects of my life that i don’t always feel a need to persuade everyone in my life to agree with my viewpoint all the time. i pick and choose my battles a lot more than i did when i was younger.)
anyway, i mean. i get why it’s intimidating to jump into a discussion where few people are expressing your viewpoint, but it’s not as if you’ll get run out of town on a rail for expressing it here, unless you’re just obnoxious about it.
Graymouse
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Not to go too far off topic here, but I just want to say, as someone who has just joined these forums not more than 2 weeks ago, I actually find this thread to be extremely inviting for all. That is the reason I have become a regular poster on this thread and on this forums for the most part. The community, even if I disagree with their opinion is great!
Although, I am the type of person who really enjoys having my point of view challenged. Which it has been several times already and I will admit that I have been knocked down a couple of pegs in some of these discussions. Like I said before, I enjoy this. Because having the same view points as everyone else would make for a really boring world. This is just my personality.
However, I know that there are people out there that are not used to having their view points pushed, or challenged, and it could be very off putting if this is the first time where you are being challenged. I got that, but like a few of the staff member have so delicately put it, it comes with the territory of this thread in general. I am not trying to discourage anyone here, I am just saying that having a different view point be prepared to "defend" your view point.
Last but certainly not least, this topic has been and probably will always be a touchy subject.
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Although, I am the type of person who really enjoys having my point of view challenged. Which it has been several times already and I will admit that I have been knocked down a couple of pegs in some of these discussions. Like I said before, I enjoy this. Because having the same view points as everyone else would make for a really boring world. This is just my personality.
However, I know that there are people out there that are not used to having their view points pushed, or challenged, and it could be very off putting if this is the first time where you are being challenged. I got that, but like a few of the staff member have so delicately put it, it comes with the territory of this thread in general. I am not trying to discourage anyone here, I am just saying that having a different view point be prepared to "defend" your view point.
Last but certainly not least, this topic has been and probably will always be a touchy subject.
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