SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

The Twilight Mexican

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Alright, looks like Barrett is the default choice for Resolution, good for him. Only time any girl gets any sort of clear and factual, numbers based advantage for anything is Aerith for the Sephiroth fight, not necessarily LTD related so I suppose you could argue it so.

With the Harbinger>Sephiroth fight, it may just be that her numbers get beefed up there to make up for Tifa's faster paced combat. Otherwise, I imagine it would generally be difficult to give Aerith an even shot at appearing first without allowing Tifa to get a K.O. or taking control of her and holding her back.

... But then again, I have seen gameplay videos where Tifa didn't appear until after the battle, so maybe I'm wrong. :monster:
 

Graymouse

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With the Harbinger>Sephiroth fight, it may just be that her numbers get beefed up there to make up for Tifa's faster paced combat. Otherwise, I imagine it would generally be difficult to give Aerith an even shot at appearing first without allowing Tifa to get a K.O. or taking control of her and holding her back.

... But then again, I have seen gameplay videos where Tifa didn't appear until after the battle, so maybe I'm wrong. :monster:

When I played through this part, Tifa joined my party first, then Barret joined. Aerith joined at the end with Rex XIII.

Do you think high affection points might factor into who joins the battle and who gets sidelined?
 

Yumelinh

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HOW DARE YOU?!

I just KNEW someone would pick at that :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:

Other translations could be "Do what your heart tells you." or "Act according to your heart." But I guess they're equally cheesy. :D

That was one hell of a cheesy line! Because, as people pointed out here, Aerith could have very well just said "Do what you need to do!", but she went about Tifa follow her heart and then the next time we see her she's running towards Cloud so she can be reunited with Cloud (in a very dangerous situation for the record).

But then again, it's hard to judge what's that supposed to mean when we have a whole Sephiroth trowing cheesY lines here and there :mon:

"Go fetch his ass" would have worked too. But I'm not a romantic so what do I know.

Awn damn! That would have been way more romantic to me! xD "Go drag that dumbass to safety" would have worked too!!

Yeah sorry. this thread is a lot to keep up with. Maybe I shouldn't butt in.

Nahh! I don't think none of us really keep up with this thread hence why we keep coming back to the same topics over and over again :D It's the fun of it ..I guess...
 
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Graymouse

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No, the points system is just based on the Harbinger fight.

I am talking about the Sephrioth fight. I have seen videos where different members joins at the different stages of the fight? If that is the case what factors do you have to satisfy to get the different characters joining the fight.
 

chewbaka

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whew. finally found some time to make a long post on PS. btw, i didn't spoil because of spoilers, but because it was a sudden new discussion and didn't want to barge without being polite ;)

This is very different however. We are talking about a medium that has to establish clearly things. The OG had the advantage of being in one piece, so to speak - and even I have my gripes with it, re: cloti. Actually, I think the Remake is correcting a mistake from the OG, and that is not establishing cloti from the get go. The game pushes you so much towards Aerith that when the romantic conclusion comes, a lot of people either miss it or do not believe in it. To me, that is a mistake, narratively speaking. If you want your character to have a girlfriend, then she must be something else than "oh he just chose her cause she was the only one alive", or "he doesn't love her, he'll love the other girl for eternity!!!". In terms of narrative, it means that you have completely missed your goal, and that is partly why the LTD was born: because people did not understand the original intent.
yeah, after having another week to mull over it, i'm more up to warming to this portrayal. for the record, it wasn't fair the OG was so focused on aerith before her death (which contributed to me huge detest of her at the time), but then again, this huge turning of the tables this time around is still shellshocking me! i totally wasn't expecting it.

I highly disagree. The hug scene is telling us several things: first, that Cloud and Tifa lost their home, second that Tifa grieves and that Cloud comforts her, while grieving with her and sharing a very intimate moment. It also has romantic undertones that you can easily miss, but that's not the main point. The important thing with this scene, that you can also miss very easily, is Cloud's growth: in chapter 12 you see him feeling powerless, as he is unable to console a crying Tifa in front of a dying Jessie. Then in chapter 13, you see him looking at Barret hugging Tifa, and at that moment (which we know because the Ultimania spelled it out), Cloud wanted to help Tifa like Barret did. It's a that moment that he understood what was needed to comfort her - because not only is he 16 in his head, but also because he was always an akward kid, so those missed years did not help at all. To me, that is important because it's Cloud's desire to help her that made him grow as a character. In the OG we saw lots of Tifa > Cloud, but rarely did we see Cloud > Tifa, and I thinkt he way it's portrayed here is awesome.
i was reading in the ultimania thread and i read that the hug was awkward, which smoothed me over into thinking it's a much better subtle setup for later on. regardless of how i like it, it's obvious that the awkward and half connections with cloud and tifa are going to be worked on in the future, so more likely than not there will be a proper hug that will be satisfactory.


I know he doesn't look so but. Cloud is 16. In his head, at least, trying desperatly to look like an adult and to tackle things like an adult. :D This absolutely does explain why he acts like a puppy around Tifa, whom he's been lovestruck with for YEARS. Remember, they have not met for 5 years (7 for Tifa), but to him, that was just yesterday. So his true personality bumps back when he's around her. She was far away, unattainable, and suddenly, she is here, talking to him, being friend with him and so... grown up too! Imagine the effect that this can have on him lol, I think the depiction is rather close.
again, to bring up the ultimania, i guess i just needed to read more information instead of just the game for myself. with the writers explaining some stuff, i can really think about and understand their purpose to make a build up for later parts. at this point, my gripes went from 70% to around 10 (the 10% being the jump out of the train, personally i would have made the cloti team wait for that in part 2, but there's my anal personality coming out again :awesome:)

on the matter of him being 16 (not really relevant to the topic at hand), they really did him so well with his awkwardness and the tryhard coolness a teen struggles and tries at. it's much better than the portrayal of him in the OG, i think. but then again, we mostly just had text and slight body movements so perhaps it's not fair to compare.
 

The Twilight Mexican

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Yeah sorry. this thread is a lot to keep up with. Maybe I shouldn't butt in.
What are you even apologizing for? You've done nothing wrong. Relax.
I'll remember you what everybody told you about this on the other thread. Do not ever think you're annoying just because you don't always have the best or funniest thing to say (in your eyes, fyi), ok? Just have fun. Don't make me go all drill sargeant on you ass.

That was one hell of a cheesy line! Because, as people pointed out here, Aerith could have very well just said "Do what you need to do!", but she went about Tifa follow her heart and then the next time we see her she's running towards Cloud so she can be reunited with Cloud (in a very dangerous situation for the record).
But then again, it's hard to judge what's that supposed to mean when we have a whole Sephiroth trowing cheeses lines here and there :mon:
Relevant.

damn! That would have been way more romantic to me! "Go drag that dumbass to safety" would have worked too!!
Yeah! And I can see Aerith (specially EN Aerith) saying that lol
 

Odysseus

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Ody
What are you even apologizing for? You've done nothing wrong. Relax.
I'll remember you what everybody told you about this on the other thread. Do not ever think you're annoying just because you don't always have the best or funniest thing to say (in your eyes, fyi), ok? Just have fun. Don't make me go all drill sargeant on you ass.
No, let me wallow in misery forever. How dare you /s

I dunno, it's kinda bad practice to post without reading isn't it? Especially if what I said had already been said by two other people. Whatever, I'm being dumb, ignore meeeee.

Anyway, so uh, how 'bout that scene where Aerith and Tifa grab onto cloud's arms and he looks like he wants to die? That was cute.
 

looneymoon

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It's not bc we "know better", it's just because we don't have a consensus for that. Simple.

And, since we also don't have any direct confirmation of the nature of Cloud's feelings for Aerith as let's say, we have for his feelings for Tifa. We can only go by our own interpretations of this matter.

However, as far as I can tell, the vast majority of people here in this thread agree that Cloud had at least some feelings for Aerith. Whether it was just attraction or went as far as becoming love (in a ROMANTIC way) is where we don't get into a consensus.

I never really got into that line of thinking. I feel like it's a really weird take away from the story to look at the layers of Cloud/Aerith's relationship, and say "yeah all this romantic tension is slowly built up but because of later twists we realize he's actually sad about how his really awesome galpal got merked." Somehow, I don't think that's the line of thinking the writers had when they came to conceive these two characters.

Then again, I just read the summary of that FFX-2.5 novella and hoo-boy :rclosedmonster:

I know I am being reductive here, but it's more of an effort to keep the convo lighthearted :monster: I know it's more complicated than that, I would describe it in a more nuanced way as well. I do think it's a bit of a disservice to the story to obfuscate the romantic nature of Cloud and Aerith's relationship though.
 
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Strangelove

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Then again, I just read the summary of that FFX-2.5 novella and hoo-boy :rclosedmonster:
man this thread is just trauma bingo now


anyway i hope tifa and aerith get to have a little scene where they go shopping together somewhere in the next game and then tifa's like 'i know it's not the plate, sorry' and aerith is all 'it's fine, i'm having a great time'

just gals being pals

then they kiss
 

Yumelinh

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I never really got into that line of thinking. I feel like it's a really weird take away from the story to look at the layers of Cloud/Aerith's relationship, "yeah all this romantic tension is slowly built up but because of later twists we realize he's really sad about how his really awesome galpal got merked." Somehow, I don't think that's the line of thinking the writers had when they came to conceive these two characters.

Was this reply really a direct response to what you quoted from my post or was it more about what I said earlier than that (about how Cloud's response to Aerith's death wouldn't have changed whether he loved her romantically or not?). Somehow it seems more fitting to that part (or I didn't get what you were trying to convey here, which is a possibility! seems to be happening a lot lately :sweatsmile:)

But in relation to what you quoted. I don't think any of what you said here really goes against what I said there, tbh. I wasn't discussing Cloud/Aerith's relationship per se. I was simply stating that it isn't a consensus around here what's the nature of Cloud's feelings for Aerith was, even tho the majority of people here do agree that he indeed had feelings for her.
 

Ⓐaron

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I dunno, it's kinda bad practice to post without reading isn't it?
If the thread's two pages long, sure. This already has more than a thousand posts, so that's not a realistic expectation. And:

Especially if what I said had already been said by two other people.
People are gonna repeat each other. It happens. Genuinely not a big deal. There have already been far more repetitive sections of this thread. Don't beat yourself up over this.
 

Edley

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man this thread is just trauma bingo now


anyway i hope tifa and aerith get to have a little scene where they go shopping together somewhere in the next game and then tifa's like 'i know it's not the plate, sorry' and aerith is all 'it's fine, i'm having a great time'

just gals being pals

then they kiss
man this thread is just trauma bingo now


anyway i hope tifa and aerith get to have a little scene where they go shopping together somewhere in the next game and then tifa's like 'i know it's not the plate, sorry' and aerith is all 'it's fine, i'm having a great time'

just gals being pals

then they kiss

This is the way.

If it wasn't SE, I'd put a 100% lock on Aerith flirting with Tifa in part 2.
 

looneymoon

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Was this reply really a direct response to what you quoted from my post or was it more about what I said earlier than that (about how Cloud's response to Aerith's death wouldn't have changed whether he loved her romantically or not?). Somehow it seems more fitting to that part (or I didn't get what you were trying to convey here, which is a possibility! seems to be happening a lot lately :sweatsmile:)

Eugh... Probably :P I post via mobile a lot of the time, and it's a constant struggle because I have big boomer energy.

I was more responding because I guess I understand where Enthralled is coming from, though I think their tone is more heated than I care for. Whenever I take a look at this thread, it does look like it's full of shippers squee-ing about stuff. Which I don't think I'd find so off-putting if I was more into shipping like I used to be. Not trying to be a buzzkill (though I probably am :monster: ). I guess lately I can kinda see why someone who is partial to the Cloud/Aerith ship might find this thread/forum unwelcoming, though I don't think that's anyone's fault per se.
 

Ⓐaron

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i think people have gone out of their way to make this thread as welcoming as a thread dominated by people who share a particular opinion can be to people who don’t share that opinion, as long as the latter are not hostile about it and don’t repeat their arguments to the point of tedium. i mean, people (myself included) have even acknowledged their responsibility for contributing to a hostile atmosphere in the past, and apologised for doing so, and i think most of the regulars have done a pretty good job not getting heated in most cases (though there have been a few outbursts, but staff have shut those down pretty quickly).

of course, the big overhanging issue is that, well, this forum is dominated by that particular opinion, but i don’t think that’s something that can be fixed without restricting the terms of the discussion far more than they already have been. some of this is just because few of the people who don’t share that opinion stick around long. i think maidenofwar and enthralled are the only people who are still consistently arguing it to any significant extent, though i could be forgetting a few people (i openly admit to skimming a lot of the longer posts here because, as i’ve said before, i haven’t played ff7r yet and i’m just here to play statler and waldorf). if you’re bothered by the predominance of the cloudxtifa position here, be the change you want to see in the world! people aren’t going to argue your opinion for you.

but that’s easy for me to say when i don’t feel i have any personal stakes in the discussion.

(honestly, i don’t always even get worked up about discussions that do have personal stakes to me – these days, i’ll abstain from arguing politics in places where it’s likely just to stir up ill will, even though some issues like healthcare, disability rights, and queer rights are potentially life-and-death matters for me. i do enough activism in other aspects of my life that i don’t always feel a need to persuade everyone in my life to agree with my viewpoint all the time. i pick and choose my battles a lot more than i did when i was younger.)

anyway, i mean. i get why it’s intimidating to jump into a discussion where few people are expressing your viewpoint, but it’s not as if you’ll get run out of town on a rail for expressing it here, unless you’re just obnoxious about it.
 
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