To be fair, this was some random CA on a YouTube video. Most of them probably know a kiss is romantic. The ones that think that interlocked fingers are more romantic though, I guarantee you if the game hadn’t come out yet and Nojima called them all up and asked; “I got one scene of interlocked hand-holding, and one scene for a kiss. Which ones should I give Tifa and which one should I give Aerith?” Their answer would be obvious.
Well, to that they will say the kiss was out of Cloud’s character. However, Cloud’s true self comes out when he’s with Tifa. True Cloud loves Tifa.
Didn't seem like rocket science to me when playing OG. Northern Crater happens and Cloud is putting all of his hopes on Tifa before he loses himself. Then we get the Mideel section where Tifa shows that she's willing to stay with this comatose guy no matter what happens. Then they explore his head very intimately and we find out this guys head was full of thoughts about her and basically nothing else. And finally, they do the deed before the final battle, not knowing what would happen after. At this point i was like "well this game is Cloti alright".
Gongaga is ahead of the kiss for me too for some reason. I can’t explain it, maybe it’s because it’s the moment where I got invested in their relationship. I was like why the hell do I have butterflies right now LOL.
Which does not jive with FF7’s original message tbh.
I don’t know how veteran Clotis put up with this kind of stuff. I’d go nuts.
Yes, the last thing I’d want is for this forum, and this thread especially to be an echo chamber.
I sure hope so, couse i don't think having multiple scenes makes sense anymore. They better deliver on that.
After saying that you can't back out now. I need to see this.
I keep forgetting there’s no sense in it all. The intrigue of the LTD hasn’t worn off for me yet. I come across certain things like this that baffle me and make me question the logic lol.
I just think it was just such a meaningful moment for both of them, way more so than the Skywheel bit honestly. Cloud opening up about himself and his issues for the first time and Tifa being there to soak it all up and reassure him.
Never mind that the mutual feelings of romantic intent are expressed under the highwind the night before the final battle. And yes, those are almost exactly the arguments that were being made 14 years ago. Only those weren't as kind towards Tifa.
You call people dishonest fuckers a lot. It's cathartic.
Oh, that argument was especially bizarre. The argument against the canonicity of the high affection highwind scene was a mix of several different ones. I recall "It never gets referenced again" which given it comes at the tail end of the game and he starts a new life with her immediately thereafter timeline wise what more do you want. There was "mutual feelings of apathy" which was all sorts of fail, I think there were more, but I'd need to wade into the archives to check. There's a lot of screaming.
I mean phones are more powerful than laptops were 10 years ago but the screen real estate is an issue.@Ryu & Hellenic: I'd love to get back into sprite and background edits, but on a phone? I'm sure it can be done but I cba
Usually the primary argument I see people using, is that it's just fanservice, that Cloud and Tifas' date is the only one that isn't reflective of Clouds relationship with said character.
"What are you talking about, those don't exist, they're confirming feelings of mutual friendship and support, that's why Square Enix felt the need to include it on the page titled "For the one I love".
I was always under the impression that Cloud revealing that his motivation to keep going and to strive to be a hero for Tifa was part of the plot-twist. It would have been pretty lame plot twist if you were able to see it coming from a mile away.
I think there are a lot of misconceptions and or confirmation bias happening in regards to the ultimania.
No no, no one ever kisses in Japan, that's why my favorite Romance manga doesn't have a kiss between the main character and the girl in chapter freaking 1.....oh wait, it does.14 years as of this January. It went out on my birthday, as I recall.
In my defense, we were already getting accusations of being biased because of other translations that portrayed C/T in a positive light simple because they were accurately translated even before that article. Also I was right.
I can, but with regards to otherwise entirely unrelated matters the statute of limitations have not yet expired for. You know the ones. You know, the incident. With the noodles.
I am as always devoted to accuracy and correctness first, much to my wife's consternation. As it stands, not only does all information currently point towards the inevitability of C/T, but of Z/A as well, in whatever form that takes.
I mean GIMP is free. Alternately, I was never going to be given the time of day by Clerith extremists, so maybe I could make it.
To be clear, the "then" of when I wrote that article was after the whole compilation (ACC, BC, CC, DoC, the OTWAS books, though not Kids are All right) had dropped.
I think Crisis Core was the one that hurt them the most emotionally. It recontextualized what had until then been C/A moments into Z.A moments Aerith was trying to relive, consciously or not.
Not that it doesn't stop them starting a few ones of their own, what with the whole lying about kissing thing.
And just as obviously, it makes clear Zack still loves Aerith, and is not even remotely mad at her for growing attached to Cloud in his absence, as confused as he is about when and how this could have happened.
Note that Yuffie picks up and begins teasing Cloud about Tifa basically from the moment she joins the party.
Plus the slight differences in how Cloud treats each of the ladies when they are being Rosa are telling both of their personalities and his feelings toward them. He likes all three of them, but only with Tifa is there an energy, an urgency to pulling her into the twirl and dip.
There is no getting off this train we on, and this train ain't changing tracks.
The word you were looking for here was conspiracy, not conspiration, but yes, I do agree they are throwing things out in a desperate attempt to confuse matters.
To swing back around to the "kissing is just western fanservice and way too icky for the Japanese" nonsense or whatever the argument was, I now present a page of a teen romance manga written by a Japanese woman for an audience primarily composed of japanese teenage girls and young women. For a tiny bit of context, this is the main heroine out on a date at an amusement park with her boyfriend, they both very much like each other, they have trouble communicating their feelings to each other many times because of this. Literally, because they do not communicate, things do not go well, but then they do communicate and things go better. Sounds a lot like another pairing I know.
In any case, this page is the heroine Sawako and her boyfriend talking about wanting to stay together despite going to college in different cities, etc. and becoming so overcome with emotions that...
They kiss. Mind you, this is not the first kiss they've had in the series, and it is implied they go further later, I just thought it was a good example of "Japan is A-OK with kisses, Y'all" and also a cute little parallel to current discussion topics.
I actually think it’s deeper. I think it’s actually there to prep everyone for what’s about to occur in Part 3. Getting people used to the idea that yes, Cloti is the direction this story is going in so that they don’t claim it as out of left-field next game.
This is why I hate it when people undermine the romantic aspect or somehow dismiss me when I say that I would no longer be a fan of FFVII if Clerith became canon. They act like that is simply a petty thing.