SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

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micasasolis

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Hi, I'm new to fandom. I have a question the clerith say that the chapter of the dream of cloud with aerith is mistranslated supposedly aerith tells cloud that he cannot fall in love with her, and that if he even believes it it would be useless. this is real?...
Apart from that I would like to know if there are bad translations in the other scenes of tifa and barret. Thank you
 
Purple

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From my investigation in the name of science, the Tifa hate is small compared to the Tifa love. Only, of course, the haters are just as loud as the lovers. So it overinflates the hate.

Either way, it bemuses me that someone would proudly put “Anti-Tifa” on her bio. But at the end of the day, nothing is really surprising in this fandom. There are bad seeds everywhere, every ship.
 
Graymouse

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Purple said:
From my investigation in the name of science, the Tifa hate is small compared to the Tifa love. Only, of course, the haters are just as loud as the lovers. So it overinflates the hate.

Either way, it bemuses me that someone would proudly put “Anti-Tifa” on her bio. But at the end of the day, nothing is really surprising in this fandom. There are bad seeds everywhere, every ship.
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For Science:

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raysa334

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I guess I went too deep into the rabbit hole and ended up finding the worst parts of the fandom on Twitter lol.
I took the time to read the "Anti-Tifa" user's threads to see what kind of criticisms they had on her character and if they were valid, but ended up just plain confused on how weird their takes are.
Most of them are just twisting her character from a perspective that is absolutely not the same one a normal person would have, like how Tifa said they better wait to rescue Aerith from the Bad Guys™ building after Aerith's mother herself told them not to.
I took that as Tifa respecting Aerith mom's wishes, but they made the case that Tifa didn't want to rescue Aerith so that she could have more time w/ Cloud or because she wanted to get rid of her (¿?¿?).
In any case, I learned my lesson. Both sides of the shipping war have some bad seeds in there.
Aaaand also, now I'm kinda scared in what I got myself into. :puppy:
This is the Naruto fanwars again... just when I tought I was out lol.
 
looneymoon

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Graymouse

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looneymoon said:
Tifa is an angel and anyone hating on my big boobie bish has been wrong since 1997 :@

Noctis and Luna are okay if I sit dowm and think about what they were going for. I honestly got more chemistry from his interactions from Prompto, Sarah, and Iris (in that order) than from Luna. I only include Iris because of this one scene I completely blame on the voice actors.



I opened a can of these and cant stop giggling.
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What cracks me up the most of that meme is that Cloud is in the background looking pretty pissed off.
 
Odysseus

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I'm wondering if Scarlet would go for Heidegger because of his similar level of narcissism, or if she'd hate his guts because of it. Or would Heidegger be a total pushover towards her? Is he secretly a simp?
 
Cat on Mars

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Graymouse said:
Wow, this is the real reason why Tifa was trending in Spain. The past few days! I just found this!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264584007137800192

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1264757688057110530
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Actually, it's both. But whatever, let them fight.
looneymoon said:
I would:sadpanda:

its the beard ok
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The beard is the only thing I like about him, it's luscious.

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Odysseus said:
I'm wondering if Scarlet would go for Heidegger because of his similar level of narcissism, or if she'd hate his guts because of it. Or would Heidegger be a total pushover towards her? Is he secretly a simp?
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They'd hate each other and their sex styles aren't compatible even if their sexual energy is similar.

I'm great at sexy cold readings. :awesome:
 
looneymoon

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Odysseus said:
I'm wondering if Scarlet would go for Heidegger because of his similar level of narcissism, or if she'd hate his guts because of it. Or would Heidegger be a total pushover towards her? Is he secretly a simp?
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Heidegger definitely has a crushing fetish. Scarlet would step on him while he attempts to power bottom. Attempt being the key word.

Oh God I am revealing my secret remakeOTP that isn't Aerith/Tifa pls help
 
MasterMoogle

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looneymoon said:
I always got the impression C/A was the more popular ship at time after the OG, where "Cloud searching for Aerith in the Promised Land" was a more popular reading (egged on by stuff like FFT and KH). Death and ambiguity is baked into the appeal of the romance, and it makes sense within certain confines/interpretations of the OG. I feel like the compilation has pushed C/T to popularity, and has Z/A its own thing for pretty pragmatic storytelling purposes. By making the choice to continue the narrative as they have, there's really no way to ignore C/T being together without characterizing Cloud negatively. By making Zack a lead guy, C/A becomes a harder sell because they want you to have investment in this guy's romantic life just as much as anything else.

Honestly, when I was playing FFXV it felt like they were trying to recreate that romantic appeal that was present in the OG reading of C/A in Noctis/Luna... but uh... Results may vary on that one :monster:
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Funny thing is I see more comparisons to Noctis and Luna from Zerith-shippers.
Odysseus said:
That is the thing though. If Aerith hadn't died there's no telling what might have happened instead. Cloud and Tifa's connection runs deeper than just "she is other grill" to be sure, but the feelings he never got to process for Aerith still linger. That's why I don't think the LTD has a winner. The remake might change everything though, so we'll see.
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I disagree. Cloud's "feelings" for Aerith always rested on a foundation of guilt over her death. Nothing would have come of it, had she lived.

Odysseus said:
It always seemed to me that Cloud had feelings for both the grills, and there isn't such a definite answer to the LTD as people would like.

Cloud ends up with Tifa, yes, but he's obviously still got hang ups about Aerith, as does Tifa in her own way. Those feelings don't just go away.
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That's called guilt. Not love.
RhinoKart said:
Currently writing a long analysis on this (don't judge to harshly I'm in month 3 of quarantine where I live and going insane), it won't be ready in time for posting to relevant discussion here but basically there are almost no Clerith scenes after chapter 14.

I've seen a few people claim that there are, so here is a summery of the moments I've seen posted on tumbr/twitter:

The look/smile between Cloud and Aerith in her bedroom following Wedge telling them to get to the roof

Her grabbing his arm at Destiny's crossroads

After you beat the Whispers Cloud asks Aerith where they are and then looks at her when he hears Sephiroth's voice

The ending scene where Cloud says he has to go after Sephiroth and Aerith tells Cloud that they can beat him

Edited to add: There are a good number of both "ship" moments and subtle C/T moments after Chapter 14, which is really interesting. The big ones being Cloud saving Tifa after the heligunner fight, Tifa going to Cloud during his headache in front of Jenova, Tifa by Cloud's bedside, Tifa saving Cloud on the roof, Cloud saving Tifa when the Whisper Rubrum attacks her.
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Those don't strike me as "Clerith" moments. Those scenes could easily be written off as "he's the hero and she's the heroine of the overarching plot, and so they interact with eachother."
Maidenofwar said:
I've also seen "you came for me", Cloud checking on Aerith in the truck during the Midgar highway escape, "Barret, do this for me- please." Cloud checking on Aerith while on the bike while in the Shinra Building entrance, mentioned.
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- His response was "yep." Not a Clerith moment.
- Cloud was worried about everyone in the truck.
- Cloud asked everyone to escape while he dueled Rufus, not just Barret for Aerith's sake.

Maidenofwar said:
If every time Tifa touches Cloud is going to be used as a shipping moment of course people are going to do the same in the other case ?

Things like Cloud and Aerith sharing a non verbal exchange after the Domino and Wedge event I don't think are less than CxT things.
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Disagree, because most of the time there's no point to Cloud and Tifa's touching. It's just there, which makes it seem even more intimate.

However, when Aerith grabbed his arm before Destiny's Crossroads, it was for a functional purpose.
Graymouse said:
Speaking of Scarlet, I can't wait to see the slap fight this time!
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That slap fight still makes no sense to me. How does Tifa, an experienced martial artist, lose to Scarlet?
 
Cat on Mars

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Odysseus said:
He likes to crush his enemies! It seems pretty obvious.
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He likes to crush them, not being crushed himself. There's a difference!


MasterMoogle said:
That slap fight still makes no sense to me. How does Tifa, an experienced martial artist, lose to Scarlet?
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She doesn't want anybody to die, remember?
My girl knows how to restrain her enthusiasm for beating slapping the shit out of Scarlet, she's so damn nice.
 
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