lol Is everyone on Mod preview in the terms section? Because I certainly am.
I don't know, but perhaps now that we have our definitive answer, maybe the Cloud/Tifa fans can give the example and maturely extend their hands and be willing to let bygones to be bygones? I would like to think its possible so what say you all?
Saddly, yes, its quite likely that some might refuse to acknowledge factual truth even if its presented in all sorts of forms before their very eyes... I suppose the power of fandom can go beyond the point of common sense in some cases but, hopefully, that will only be applied to a very small minority of the FF7 fanbase. It's still a shame that it happens, though.To quote Jack Nicholson: They can't handle the truth.
@Ryu: Oh, you mean the fact that they feel threatened by the fact that you are right?
Well, not trying to play the Devil's advocate here (nor I think I should to begin with since every forum has its own mod policy and that should be respected) but since that particular forum seems to be organized mainly in prol of two different factions (Cloti and Clerith) you have to understand that the mods/administrators from both sides are prone to suffer a ton of pressure from their respective player base and, well, as a forum administrator myself, I must say that it can sometimes be quite an... ingrate task. I'm not saying that if there's evidence of preferencial treatment going on and injustice towards board members, those shouldn't be brought up but, in the fairness of debate, they should be kept aside from the plot discussions themselves and be dealt either with or between the forum staff themselves. Why do I say this? Well, because its very easy to sometimes mix board policies with the actual topic (s) of discussion and that, IMHO, can lead to loss of objectivity. I'm not saying that's what happens in here, mind you, but I do think its something everyone should remember, none of the less.
I've also known Shroud since the days of our Northen Crater debates on GFaqs ages ago (that's from where the name of the boards originally comes from) and back then he was quite a reasonable and cordial fellow despite us not agreeing in quite some stuff. Then again, people change so I really can't speak about recent events, especially since I haven't been directly involved in them. What I know, however, if that there appears to be a bit of "bad blood" and distrust from both sides of the fence here and unless both sides are willing to put that besides them, things will never change and that, IMHO, is the bigggest loss here.
I don't know, but perhaps now that we have our definitive answer, maybe the Cloud/Tifa fans can give the example and maturely extend their hands and be willing to let bygones to be bygones? I would like to think its possible so what say you all?
Quex said:Trolling aside... what Shroudy is doing now is the same exact thing Anastar is doing. And believe it or not it's the same thing Ryushikaze's doing and the same thing I'm doing and the same thing pretty much everyone involved right now is doing.
Trying to prevent another koibito.
I mean am I right or wrong that neither side wants that?
Bringing this back to extending the Olive Branch, yes, I will extend it. To the vast majority, as I have always done.
But there are some people who have entirely worn out their chances. And those will be held accountable for their bullshit.
That whole "koibito" thing still baffles me, seriously. Anyway...
Ryu, I completely see your point and although its a bit sad, I cannot say that I don't understand where you are coming from. Still, as I said before, hopefully the endless denial and BS will be limited only to a small few and not generalized to either side of the fandom. As for those selected few, well, its hard to keep any sort of credibility when trying to go against hard, factual evidence and that holds true to both sides here so they'll only be deluding themselves and no one else there. In the end its their loss, really...
Oh, I am well aware of that (sorry if I wasn't clear enough in my last post). What I meant was that I'm still baffled how the usage and meaning of the koibito word could be twisted to such leights just because it went against some people's favored pairing. And I say this mostly because the usage of the word and the meaning behind it was fairly direct and in context, even moreso when you consider all the story behind Cloud and Tifa's relationship in the Compilation.Koibito is japanese for 'desired person' and is used commonly in the sense of boyfriend/ girlfriend, or lover, and also, though not as prevalently as 'beloved'
For three years, those few people who have worn out their chances asserted, as hard as they could, including with fake affidavits, that is simply meant 'one who loved', that it didn't have meaning when written in kanji, and all sorts of utter bollocks.
Then Aerith uses it to refer to Cloud, and not only does it mean 'lover' again, but Aerith also holds the absolute truth.
The worst that can be said of the C/T side regarding Koibito is an oversimplification of the definition, since in either case it meant no difference to how the overall context of a quote.
You mean the whole "sex does not mean love" thing, right? Yeah... Cloud is definitely an egotistic, heartless bastard. In fact, that's how he's always been depicted in the Compilation and... oh, wait, that's completely untrue and utterly butchers Cloud's character. Again: not cool.It is. And I have to say, their reaction to this latest is exactly that sort of thing. Destiny Failed already has an excerpt of their outright denial. I can only assume greater nonsense to come out as the full enormity sinks in...
wat.Most of the Ultimania guides I have are just huge masses of data arranged in a pretty fashion, spruced up with official art and screenshots, so if the translator were to play the "But why would Cloud/Tifa be shown in the Highwind scene with all the other famous [canon] FF couples?" then one could feasibly blame the Ultimania editor/designer.
Speaking of DesFailed, FFG is nuts.Destiny Failed already has an excerpt of their outright denial.
I have quotes of me saying it can mean beloved from well before COL came out, nevermind translated, so yeah, if there was 'backpedaling', it definitely happened pre COL, and not in response to it.
Speaking of DesFailed, FFG is nuts.
http://destinyfailed.blogspot.com/2010/01/cry-for-help-from-final-fantasy-goddess.html
I don't doubt at all what you said because I do remember browsing ACF and seeing that mentioned quite a few times myself. I honestly don't think there was any "backpedaling" from the Cloud/Tifa side (at least that I ever noticed) and the arguments about the word "koibito" and its usage on both instances have been both grammatically explained and supported by FF7's narrative/context. Of course, the same can't be said about some Cloud/Aerith supporters...It's unfortunate that ACF is gone forever. Because there were quotes of everyone saying it. I've said it dozens of times. "Beloved, one who is loved, object of affection" - these definitions were mentioned multiple times.
Ok (and I mean this is the most respectful way possible) someone please tell me FFG was being sarcastic and/or joking when she said all of that. I mean, wow... just, wow...Speaking of DesFailed, FFG is nuts.
http://destinyfailed.blogspot.com/20...y-goddess.html
Speaking of DesFailed, FFG is nuts.
http://destinyfailed.blogspot.com/2010/01/cry-for-help-from-final-fantasy-goddess.html
So, how long until Tres gets de-modded do you think?
And I can't believe TENNY is on Mod Preview. She's the nicest member there hands down!
Who actually runs the DestinyFailed site? Or are they just anonymous?
Holy fucking batshit insane, Batman!