LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[The Twilight Mexican]

The panic in the voice acting there is why that's one of my favorite lines in the film. Really well done in both languages. Altogether convincing.

 

[Raquelborn]

You guys are right! I couldn't detect any sadness, though, more like panic and then some anger when he says "Who did this?" What I said still stands, though.

Indeed. His tone gave me the impression he wanted to shove his foot very far up this guy's arse and twist it.

Also, I felt the English VA, Steve Burton, made the second "Tifa" sound the most distressed. Then again, maybe that's because I'm not used to hearing stressed-out Japanese voices?

 

[Eerie]

It's true. They never went on a date
All they did was share mutual feelings for one another, Cloud LIVES with Tifa and raises a FAMILY with her. He adopts a kid with her. He says he can start a new life now that Tifa is with him. But how can THAT compare to ONE DATE?

Err, but the well IS a date spot. A famous one too. It was not only a date, but Cloud's first date and HE was the one calling out a girl, not the contrary

 

[Dashell]

But it was in the past so it doesn't count

 

[Cannon_Fodder]

Jenova-infected-pseudoidentity > the real past.

Frickin' duh,

Spoiler

 

[Vendel]

Oh for fucks sake..........

In Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children/Advent Children Complete, it is shown that death means nothing. Aerith is still very much a part of Cloud's life. They interact with one another in the movie, speaking and even touching. And, in the end, Aerith remains a part of Cloud's life as shown in the bonus videos "Calling" and "Safe and Sound". The creators themselves have even confirmed just how deeply bonded Cloud and Aerith are: From Distance, the directors' Advent Children commentary:

Nomura: "The words 'memetic legacy' are used a lot in the film but in AC, rather than focusing on memories we wanted to show that consciousness is what lives on. We took the ending of the game and expanded on that idea. Even if they're dead their consciousness is still with us. As for Cloud... he sees Aerith several times throughout the film. It's not that he sees her because he feels her presence. He sees her because her consciousness lives on inside him."

This quote explains why only Cloud can see, hear, and touch Aerith. For Cloud, who is so closed-off around others, sharing a soul bond like this must be a very intimate one indeed. Cloud can now roam freely around Gaia with Aerith by his side always. So, truly, this argument should not even be used anymore. S-E has already shown that, in the world of Final Fantasy, death isn't really a problem for Cloud and Aerith. Aerith lives on in Cloud's very soul. Aerith may have lost her body, but she and Cloud will never be apart.

One must ask. If SE wanted to portray death as meaningless then why have Aerith die in the first place? Why do the characters get so bummed out when people die? Why didn't Cloud just kill himself?

Also I am still not sure how Aerith and Zack going back to the lifestream "where they belong", means she is 'soul bonded' with Cloud now. I have yet to see any official time line on this.

 

[Dashell]

Why didn't Cloud just kill himself?

Because he doesn't need to to be with Aerith, she lives in his soul n all that.

Nomura: "The words 'memetic legacy' are used a lot in the film but in AC, rather than focusing on memories we wanted to show that consciousness is what lives on. We took the ending of the game and expanded on that idea. Even if they're dead their consciousness is still with us. As for Cloud... he sees Aerith several times throughout the film. It's not that he sees her because he feels her presence. He sees her because her consciousness lives on inside him."

I love how the speech he gives before this about all dead ones living on inside of one another and all dead ones in the lifestream never come sup.

 

[Isabella]

Didn't they say in some interview just the opposite? Something about how they wanted death to feel like it does in the real world -- a sudden, horrible loss?

I love how the speech he gives before this about all dead ones living on inside of one another and all dead ones in the lifestream never come sup.

There's a line right there in the quote that says, "Even if they're dead their consciousness is still with us."

 

[Dashell]

Didn't they say in some interview just the opposite? Something about how they wanted death to feel like it does in the real world -- a sudden, horrible loss?

GOD DAMN CREATORS CONTRADICTING THEMSELVES AGAIN

There's a line right there in the quote that says, "Even if they're dead their consciousness is still with us."

Nope, see the sentence was all about Aerith up to that point, another contradiction!

 

[Vendel]

Didn't they say in some interview just the opposite? Something about how they wanted death to feel like it does in the real world -- a sudden, horrible loss?

The whole 'literal soul fusion' thiing is a ridiculous fucking argument that shows a sever lack of cognitive abilities on the part of whoever believes it. Follow that up with Aerith physically manifesting for Cloud. And all that entails.

But the argument that Aerith's death is meaningless (JUST SO SHE CAN BE WITH CLOUD) is highly insulting to the setting, the characters involved and the compilation as a whole.

 

[Ryushikaze]

How DARE those people not realize Aerith is only thing worth talking about? I mean, when they say that's how it works, of COURSE they only mean for Aerith!

Seriously... it's pretty dumb.

And Death being meaningless is moreover an insult to the FUCKING PLOT and the THEME OF THE GODDAMN GAME.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Wtf is a soul bond and where are Aeris and Cloud stated to have one?
Why are these fuckers making shit up again?

 

[Vendel]

Wtf is a soul bond

We are still trying to figure that one out.

and where are Aeris and Cloud stated to have one?

We are still trying to figure that out as well.

Why are these fuckers making shit up again?

Because Cloud and Tifa may live together. But Aerith and Cloud are closer. Spirit fucking ensues.

 

[Isabella]

Wtf is a soul bond and where are Aeris and Cloud stated to have one?
Why are these fuckers making shit up again?

It's the beautiful love story they crafted for Cloud and Aerith while lying in bed at night hugging their pillows.

 

[Vendel]

It's the beautiful love story they crafted for Cloud and Aerith while lying in bed at night hugging their pillows.

Do those pillows look a little something like this?

 

[Isabella]

Oh shit. LOL!

 

[Ryushikaze]

Wtf is a soul bond

It's a merging of two souls into one.
What that means, no one knows, not even the people who said Cloud and Aerith have one.

and where are Aeris and Cloud stated to have one?

In reality? Never.
In the state of denial, in ribbons, in mako parasitism, and in love beyond death. Still in no official documents.

Why are these fuckers making shit up again?

Because that's all they got?

It's the beautiful love story they crafted for Cloud and Aerith while lying in bed at night hugging their pillows.

Clinging to.

And Vend, that's in far too good of condition. Not show years worth of use and wear.

 

[Dashell]

It's interesting... they also have a topic on what if they was an FFVII remake and the majority of them are against it... but the reason why is what's telling. They don't want Square to release it and make it very Cloti or add a Cloti make out scene... (one of them said 'since they're playing the please both sides game')

I ask you, if you're SO SURE that Clerith is the intended couple, why would you be worried that there would be a Cloti make out scene?

 

[Isabella]

That is telling. I can say with complete honesty that I'm not even remotely concerned about a remake.

And I'm pretty sure a makeout session wouldn't be pleasing both sides. "They've got a kiss but WE have, uh, a ribbon! Ok, it was given to her by another man, but that doesn't matter!"

 

[Dashell]

Making it'd be pleasing the Cleriths cause they wouldn't have to put up the ruse any longer

 

[Isabella]

You mean the "we pretend we're confident when we're actually pretty sure we're wrong" ruse?

That's actually the main reason they take a lot of heat online. It's not that they like the pairing, it's that they try to argue nonsense. If they'd drop the nonsensical arguments and just enjoy their pairing they'd find their fandom a lot easier, I suspect.

 

[Dashell]

Yeah I don't think they quite grasp why they're picked on. I've heard it so many times that they're been ridiculed and picked on and stalked online and CxA is the only place they can go to be safe. They don't get there's a reason why that all happens. I wish I could explain it to them... but I'm not sure it'd do any good

 

[Vendel]

It's interesting... they also have a topic on what if they was an FFVII remake and the majority of them are against it... but the reason why is what's telling. They don't want Square to release it and make it very Cloti or add a Cloti make out scene... (one of them said 'since they're playing the please both sides game')

I ask you, if you're SO SURE that Clerith is the intended couple, why would you be worried that there would be a Cloti make out scene?

I think you answered your own question.

I think I brought this up some time back. But just think of it. More Zack. Possibly even Z/A flashbacks. A clearer picture that Cloud was NOT himself in the first part of the game. Clearer interactions between C/T in the later part of the game. Including the HW scene.

Why that is enough to send a shiver up any pinkers spine just thinking about it.

 

[Dashell]

I think I brought this up some time back. But just think of it. More Zack. Possibly even Z/A flashbacks. A clearer picture that Cloud was NOT himself in the first part of the game. Clearer interactions between C/T in the later part of the game. Including the HW scene.

Oh I know, and I agree, in fact an FFVII remake could very well be the final nail in the Clerith coffin... But you know, chances are they'd just... see it as Clerith again anyway, I mean they saw it in everything else, but if it did to the other, at least we'd have massive lulz

hmm... maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing

 

[OneWingedDemon]

I've heard it so many times that they're been ridiculed and picked on and stalked online and CxA is the only place they can go to be safe.

A lot of those stories are also just made up in order to get attention from other Clerises/demonize the other side + have something to talk about in super sekret venting forums

Long story short: the majority of their cloti stalkers don't really exist.