LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Fairheartstrife]

I'm sorry but why is it so hard to accept that Cloud was happy with his new life in CoT? IT doesn't have to be he was happy BECUZ HE WAS WIHT TIFA HIS TROO LURVE! but he had a good life and he was happy. Why does he have to be pretending or why is it a contradiction?... come on...

Because pretending he was happy for any other reason than he WAS with his TRUE LOVE Tifa is complete and utter bullshit. He SAYS himself that things are only different for him because he HAS HER.

Would Cloud be happy without her? No.

His entire world revolved around her. That's borderline obsessive and a wee bit creepy, but them's the facts, and those that refuse to acknowledge FACT because it hurts their "precious" ship can go fap to Twilight and gtfo of the fandom.

And those that coddle them need a smack on the ass. And not the 'good' kind.

 

[Vendel]

Because pretending he was happy for any other reason than he WAS with his TRUE LOVE Tifa is complete and utter bullshit. He SAYS himself that things are only different for him because he HAS HER.

Would Cloud be happy without her? No.

His entire world revolved around her. That's borderline obsessive and a wee bit creepy, but them's the facts, and those that refuse to acknowledge FACT because it hurts their "precious" ship can go fap to Twilight and gtfo of the fandom.

And those that coddle them need a smack on the ass. And not the 'good' kind.

I think you are being a little hard on the Q.

Now correct me if I am wrong but I think Q was wondering why the pinkers refuse to believe Cloud was happy at all at 7th heaven. No matter what the reason.

Not that I don't agree with you. I do. Such forceful passion. If you were Fang I would gladly be your Vanille.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

I'm sorry but why is it so hard to accept that Cloud was happy with his new life in CoT?

Because then Dissidia happened and Cloud found his *real* tru wuv.

Not that I don't agree with you. I do. Such forceful passion. If you were Fang I would gladly be your Vanille.

I agree with this comparison, since Fang is clearly the dominant one.

 

[Isabella]

Uh, isn't their OTP based on the idea that Cloud is incapable of happiness without Aerith? Of course they'll never accept he's happy, no matter what we're told about him.

I just find it curious they never question their ~interpretation~ of Cloud in light of the fact that so much of what official sources say contradicts their ideas. If it were me, I think I'd go back and revisit the story to see if my pov could be skewed. And perhaps they've done that themselves, but would never admit to it on a public forum.

 

[Winter]

I think it's ridiculous to think that Cloud couldn't be happy EVAR AGAIN without Aeris.

And I ship Cleris, so that's saying something.

 

[Vendel]

Uh, isn't their OTP based on the idea that Cloud is incapable of happiness without Aerith? Of course they'll never accept he's happy, no matter what we're told about him.

Well before MASSIVE CREATOR OVERLOAD caused them to go into panic mode.

Now I have seen that A roof over his head, hot meals and the children make him happy. Tifa is just there I guess.

Funny how before all that they went on the assumption that Cloud was indeed miserable the entire time between FFVII and AC

I just find it curious they never question their ~interpretation~ of Cloud in light of the fact that so much of what official sources say contradicts their ideas. If it were me, I think I'd go back and revisit the story to see if my pov could be skewed. And perhaps they've done that themselves, but would never admit to it on a public forum.

Yes well.....yeah.

The problem with Clerith saying the creators contradict themselves etc. Is that they are the only ones who say it. It isn't some massive fandom movement declaring cloti/the compilation/whatever discontinuity or some such. It is a handful of shippers who can't let go.

 

[Dashell]

Now correct me if I am wrong but I think Q was wondering why the pinkers refuse to believe Cloud was happy at all at 7th heaven. No matter what the reason.

Yeah I'm sick of them saying the creators contradicted themselves by saying (no less than 3 times) that Cloud was happy with Tifa and the kids. The only ones contradicting the creators is them. And I can't point that out because that may be promoting Cloti.

I wish more of them would just visit TNC

Also who wants to do my latest madlib?
http://killthemongoose.com/madlibs/index.php?id=rabid2

C'mon someone do it

 

[Vendel]

Also who wants to do my latest madlib?
http://killthemongoose.com/madlibs/index.php?id=rabid2

C'mon someone do it

*sigh*

Because of the childish rocks of CxA, certain trains have been running for quite some time. Here is the dank fork for you huge little cunts-- the rocks were set into place because of people like YOU! If you could keep your lots pinky out of a ham for a tree that you don't even like, maybe we wouldn't need rocks like that. If limp assholes like you could GTFO and STFU for once in your purple planes, we wouldn't need to write our automobiles from the likes of you, would we?

We push to allow you to roll, wave, and jump our automobiles. We push to allow you to post CloTi grass all over our ham. We push to allow you to quick crawl every bucket we make and lick every little water into a goat on our ham. We push to allow limp robust dicks the run of our ham... PERIOD. If you don't like it, then QUIT falling UP, YOU Tangy twats!!!!

Never again.

 

[Dashell]

well that one just wasn't funny (except for We push to allow limp robust dicks the run of our ham):

Because of the constipated waste baskets of CxA, certain chicken wings have been fucking in the ass for quite some time. Here is the stinky cat for you cold little horse lickers-- the waste baskets were set into place because of people like YOU! If you could keep your huge tit out of a ear for a vibrator that you don't even like, maybe we wouldn't need waste baskets like that. If delicious lame-asss like you could GTFO and STFU for once in your ugly boxes of cheerios, we wouldn't need to shoot our pill bottles from the likes of you, would we?

We love to allow you to fall, kick, and punch our pill bottles. We love to allow you to post CloTi dick all over our ear. We love to allow you to accidentally poop every dr pepper can we make and hate every little shovel into a dish washer on our ear. We love to allow delicious gay mother fuckers the run of our ear... PERIOD. If you don't like it, then QUIT loving UP, YOU horny faggots!!!!

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Vendel, some of that sounded kinky.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

If you don't like it, then QUIT loving UP, YOU horny faggots!!!!

B-but I love Up. D:

 

[Super Mario]

hey isn't Up that cool movie with that old guy and kid and talking dog?? what's it doing ina Cloti vs. Clerith discussion?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Uh... well, clearly, Old Man Fredrickson represents the cold and bitter Cloti heart, hardened to all things romantic, and the talk dog and little kid represent the cheerful youth of the Clerith as they gently convert him to a happier life with them.

Or something.

 

[Super Mario]

The solution is obvious. the one who made that post must have done a clever research and insight into the cloti and clerith psyche. The two entities strive to make one bitter entity a more cheerful and bright man.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Uh... well, clearly, Old Man Fredrickson represents the cold and bitter Cloti heart, hardened to all things romantic, and the talk dog and little kid represent the cheerful youth of the Clerith as they gently convert him to a happier life with them.

Or something.

Frederickson's grumpy, but he's not aromantic- His entire goal is to fulfill a promise he made to his wife way back in the day that they never got around to doing.
There's certain AC parallels in the movie, but only in the 'letting the past drag you down and having to realize you can't let the past prevent your future' aspects.

Though I bet Frederickson would kick ass with a greatsword or six.

 

[Super Mario]

They share the same similarities in one respect: They finished The Game, overcame their emotional conflict and finally moved on by the end of their games.

 

[Isabella]

Up, that was an excellent movie. Believe it or not, I've seen it argued that the movie is "Clerisy." Sure, why not. When I think of two people who share a lifetime together filled with love and devotion, I think of Cloud and Aerith.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Well, there IS the whole 'seeing his dead wife in the house', but that's basically the only bit that strikes me as remotely pinker. And then he left his attachment behind.

But yeah, when I think quality time over the course of a lifetime, I totally think of a man and the girl he knew two weeks.

 

[Dashell]

Aww guys I found my first snark:
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?p=108130#post108130

and look look, this is when I was Shishikabob:
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showpost.php?p=109632&postcount=6794

I miss these conversations, it's a pity nothing's going on... and I doubt a remake would really do anything

So uh something I said in another thread, the word for lily in Japan is yuri... and Yuri is also the word for lesbian porn as you all know. And Aerith is carrying lilies at the beginning of FFVII and Cloud buys one and gives it to Tifa...

So LTD solved, Aerith/Tifa FTW

EDIT
Holy fuck Me, I just put this up, how'd you thank me so fast? XD

 

[Ryushikaze]

Aww guys I found my first snark:
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?p=108130#post108130

and look look, this is when I was Shishikabob:
http://thelifestream.net/forums/showpost.php?p=109632&postcount=6794

I miss these conversations, it's a pity nothing's going on... and I doubt a remake would really do anything

So uh something I said in another thread, the word for lily in Japan is yuri... and Yuri is also the word for lesbian porn as you all know. And Aerith is carrying lilies at the beginning of FFVII and Cloud buys one and gives it to Tifa...

So LTD solved, Aerith/Tifa FTW

EDIT
Holy fuck Me, I just put this up, how'd you thank me so fast? XD

You see, it's the transitive properties of the S cells. Whereas Genesis and Angeal can copy and transmit genetic information, Cloud, with S cells, can pass on romantic affection between fated lovers. Cloud just passed Aerith's lesbian affections for her destined partner, Tifa, through the flower handed to her.

And naturally, we don't think of the sick predatory animal this makes Aerith if Cloud handed the flower to Marlene.

 

[Isabella]

Quex brings up a point: do you think a remake would make CxT more obvious, or do you think they'll try to preserve the ambiguity? They did go and define the couples with the rest of the compilation, so would a remake fit in with the comp or will they try to make it stand on its own? (Obviously that question would entail more than just LTD-related stuff, but this being the LTD thread and all...)

 

[Raquelborn]

Quex brings up a point: do you think a remake would make CxT more obvious, or do you think they'll try to preserve the ambiguity? They did go and define the couples with the rest of the compilation, so would a remake fit in with the comp or will they try to make it stand on its own? (Obviously that question would entail more than just LTD-related stuff, but this being the LTD thread and all...)

Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't they been doing that the whole time the compilation has been evolving?

• For instance, the additional "cloti" quotes in the Crisis Core and 10th Anniversary Ultimania to add to those or any in the Omega Ultimania. On top of the creators' discussion about the toned down sex scene under the Highwind.
• The revised version of Case of Tifa in which it's made more obvious that Cloud wants to be with Tifa in a way that's different from before and that they formed a family.
• Some additional scenes in Advent Children Complete that while subtle, made it more obvious that Cloud cares about Tifa and the children a lot and wasn't just hooked on the death of Aerith. (Partly through increasing focus on his regret over Zack's death.)

Therefore, if they follow the pattern, they probably would make CxT more obvious, at least after the life stream event. Better graphics will certainly help for conveying emotions and attraction whether it's between CxT or CxA and watching the reaction of the other girl. Not to mention any "risqué" kisses they may want to add in. (Yes please).

I'm sure they'd keep the date mechanics though, and still have slightly different versions of scenes depending on how much attention you pay to either girl. Maybe they'd even make the chemistry between CxA more obvious to make it an even juicier red-herring. It was part of what made FFVII interesting after all; a continuous mini-game.

 

[Vendel]

Quex brings up a point: do you think a remake would make CxT more obvious,

Yes.

or do you think they'll try to preserve the ambiguity?

I think the ambiguity would be removed with better graphics and voice acting alone. You wouldn't even need to change anything.

They did go and define the couples with the rest of the compilation, so would a remake fit in with the comp or will they try to make it stand on its own? (Obviously that question would entail more than just LTD-related stuff, but this being the LTD thread and all...)

I think a remake (if they ever do it) would include more comp stuff. More Zack. Maybe even hints of Genesis, deepground etc. And wouldn't it be sweet if the last scene of the game is C/T discussing their future from CoT?

EDIT: Dangit Raq. Although truth be told I am more than willing to let a lady finish first.

 

[Madame Mayor]

 

[Ryushikaze]

Heh, Wolvy.

Though Vend brings up a hilarious point- ever had an RPG where the final thoughts are literally 'Okay, we saved the world... now what?' 'Let's start a family'? I think that's just a fun way to end a game.