LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[OneWingedDemon]

I'm not clear as to what you mean by "originally a typical FF love story".

FFVII played with your expectations, knowing that in most games the hero got the special heroine (white mage/magic user) and that the audience would expect this upon first meeting Aeris. It took that and turned it on its head. This play is in no way an original blueprint of any love story. They never intended Cloud and Aeris. They only thought the audience would expect it to unfold in a certain manner based on appearances. Then they went "HA! NO!"

This was because FFVII did want to move away from those models with this game, after all they were trying to make a big splash at the time. People would have expected someone like Barret to die (as they say), for example, but no one expected Aeris. Not only does one of the heroines die, she never comes back. AND she's not the love interest.

 

[Isabella]

Exactly. The setup created expectations that A, B and C would happen, then the story knocked those expectations down like dominoes.

They may have conceived Cloud and Aerith as the main pairing back before they had a plot set in stone, and were still in the character-creating, brainstorming phase. Back when Cloud was still a dark-haired cop or whatever the hell he was. But somewhere in the creative process they decided to "kill off Aerith and bring out Tifa," as Nomura said and I paraphrased. (And don't get bent out of shape about that quote. He obviously didn't intend it as a slight to Aerith's importance to the main story.)

 

[Splintered]

Not only does one of the heroines die, she never comes back. AND she's not the love interest.

Just to nitpick: I would say she was the/a love interest, it just turned out that she didn't get the guy- her "rival" did. Tifa was sort of background when Aerith was around, mostly because Aerith was the girl of destiny and Tifa was being very introverted. End of disc one completely flipped everything around though.

 

[Vendel]

Just to nitpick: I would say she was the/a love interest, it just turned out that she didn't get the guy- her "rival" did.

Just to nitpick. Aerith was never a love interest of the real Cloud. Only Tifa ever was. And she didn't lose to Tifa. She was never in the running to begin with.

 

[Celes Chere]

.Am I the only one who finds it ironic a Clerith would say this, but then turn around and say Cloud's undying feelings for Aerith are not just guilt and guilt had nothing to do with it?

YES, extremely so! I am still laughing, I can't believe that was said. Clearly, favoritism of characters is going on.

 

[Ryushikaze]

On the irony front, here's Angel 'I wrote a sexual fanfic based on two seconds in the credits' Alex.

It's amazing what you can read into something if you passionately and enthusiastically want to see it. And they are passionate about what they believe, and quite enthusiastic to boot. I think that's why they tend to kick Cleriths off of most sites. Their enthusiasm is that much greater.

So yes, that's Angel 'He was totally kissing the rain' Alex telling US we looked too far into things because we're too passionate.
Now dat's some strong irony.

 

[crack]

Isn't he that one guy who writes out the most shit-ridiculous theories?

Irony, indeed.

 

[Dashell]

On the irony front, here's Angel 'I wrote a sexual fanfic based on two seconds in the credits' Alex.

Still beats the crap out of Cloud Mows the...
wow we DO come back to that a lot don't we? XD


And I fail to see how reading that two characters convey their feelings without words on a page of romantic love is reading into things too much.

 

[crack]

It's because those feelings were not romantic, but just how they both feel about each other as very good friends. Good friends who sleep with each other and live together.

 

[Dashell]

And had sex but it was .. friendship.. sex or something

friends with benefits anyone?

 

[Ryushikaze]

And I fail to see how reading that two characters convey their feelings without words on a page of romantic love is reading into things too much.

Because it's not reading Clerith into it.

I wish I was being sarcastic here, but given who I'm talking about, I am not.

 

[crack]

And had sex but it was .. friendship.. sex or something

friends with benefits anyone?

"Tifa, we only have one day till Sephiroth beats the shit out of us. Let us have as much sex as possible before that time comes."

I wish I was being sarcastic here, but given who I'm talking about, I am not.

How is it looking into things when it's stated ON THE PAGE?

 

[Super Mario]

It's because those feelings were not romantic, but just how they both feel about each other as very good friends. Good friends who sleep with each other and live together.

And make love together obviously. with friends like that, why get married? That's why I love how complicated Cloti can be.

IMAGINE WHAT CLERITH WOULD BE LIKE!?! AERITH CAN JUST GO AROUND AND CHEAT ON CLOUDY ANYTIME!

 

[Isabella]

The mastermind behind soul melding and spirit sex thinks we read too much into things?

Excellent.

 

[Vendel]

The mastermind behind soul melding and spirit sex thinks we read too much into things?

Excellent.

Mastermind might be a bit strong.

 

[Celes Chere]

tend to kick Cleriths off of most sites

All of these describe AngelAlex:

Spoiler

STFU.

 

[Vendel]

Oh I would love to know what is going on in the cetra sections of that forum.

 

[Dashell]

Celes, I'm sorry but that was out of line.

Account Inactive does SO not describe Alex and you know it.

 

[crack]

Celes, I'm sorry but that was out of line.

Account Inactive does SO not describe Alex and you know it.

This made my day. Oh god.

All of these describe AngelAlex:

I noticed he tries to maintain a poetic side during his debates.

 

[Celes Chere]

It does so, if you count it for TNC.

 

[Isabella]

+1 for Q. You made me chuckle.

 

[Dashell]

It does so, if you count it for TNC.

ROFL point taken

Also I love how Cloud is none the wiser to Tifa and Aerith's feelings so he can't share his feelings of desire with Tifa BUT HE WAS TOTALLY AERITHS LOVER!@

 

[Ryushikaze]

It is, as I have said, a magical case of special pleading.

 

[Dashell]

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the love triangle but I wanted to post it because it's funny.

(04:38:37 AM) on lunatic high: whats goin on on the internet butts tonight
(04:38:44 AM) Quexinos: err
(04:38:47 AM) Quexinos: not sure about the butts part but
(04:38:54 AM) on lunatic high: thats what the internet is
(04:38:57 AM) on lunatic high: a series of butts
(04:39:14 AM) Quexinos: okay i am just on the recieving end of some weird ass IM shit tonight XD


... so yeah Cloti's canon and all that.

 

[Vendel]

I feel like this 'debate' has become the argument sketch form Monty Python.

"This page is about romantic love"

"No it isn't."