LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[null]

Boo Tifa.

 

[Strangelove]

I finally voted in this thing, but I only did it to disagree with popular opinion and be a rebel.

 

[null]

You neutral rebel, you.

 

[Madame Mayor]

I finally voted in this thing, but I only did it to disagree with popular opinion and be a rebel.

Poser. I was doing that since the last thread.

 

[Dashell]

I knew you weren't really a neutral Hito

 

[Winter]

Hito isn't neutral.

He's "doesn't care/would rather think about lesbians".

 

[null]

So what you're saying is he's just like the rest of us.

 

[Ryushikaze]

But both pairings are lesbian pairings!

But not as lesbian as Aerti.

Which this is now a thread for.

GO GO!

 

[crack]

I HAVE A DELIVERY.

Spoiler: don't look kids

Also is Clack lesbian enough for me to spam this thread with fanart?

 

[Lord Noctis]

I HAVE A DELIVERY.

Spoiler: don't look kids

Also is Clack lesbian enough for me to spam this thread with fanart?

.
Hottest. picture. ever.

 

[Dashell]

Also is Clack lesbian enough for me to spam this thread with fanart?

Uhm... DUH

of course

 

[Ryushikaze]

I HAVE A DELIVERY.

Spoiler: don't look kids

Also is Clack lesbian enough for me to spam this thread with fanart?

No. It's clearly heterosexual, containing only one male and one female. This is for lesbian pairing, like Aerti, Cloti, or CloAer. Or CisAer. Or TiJes.

 

[Dashell]

No. It's clearly heterosexual, containing only one male and one female. This is for lesbian pairing, like Aerti, Cloti, or CloAer. Or CisAer. Or TiJes.

Shit Ryu's right, sorry wasn't thinking

 

[crack]

SCREW LOGIC.

Spoiler: only one clack picture because i don't want to get in trouble

 

[Dashell]

they're not even naked, WTF

 

[Celes Chere]

SCREW LOGIC.

Spoiler: only one clack picture because i don't want to get in trouble

NEW DESKTOP

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Square Enix just retcons shit and doesn't even try

...?

And I see Null is scarign the children again

 

[Tennyo]

SCREW LOGIC.

Spoiler: only one clack picture because i don't want to get in trouble

It's not big enough for my desktop.

 

[null]

Why is OWD always off fapping to Supernatural when I drop in, anyway?

 

[Edley]

Normandy > Sovereign



.... Or is it?

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Why is OWD always off fapping to Supernatural when I drop in, anyway?

Because, Nullzy, if Supernatural has taught me anything it is that this place can't handle the the sheer awesomeness of our combined presence.

 

[Dashell]

so what's going on in this thread? Cloti's still canon? Good.

 

[Tennyo]

Last time I checked it still was.

 

[Dashell]

when did you check? Things might have changed

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

So if the "creator" decided Barret is white, would it make it true?

A work stands on its own. Commentary is irrelevant.

In discussions based on literary analysis, yes. The LTD, however, is and always was based in the context of FFVII canon, so extra-textual material is every bit as relevant as the original work.

Again, not saying literary analysis/New Criticism isn't important. It's just completely irrelevant in discussion of the LTD.

The LTD refers to a very a specific controvery -- Cloud's canon love interest. That's a different subject from that of who the original game -- when analyzed in a vacuum -- does or doesn't indicate that Cloud loves romantically.

Certainly information gleaned from the latter could be used in the former, but the two are not equal. Really, there was no reason the argument you guys had should have even occurred.

And new criticism is an excuse for making wrong/bad conclusions and then inserting reader opinion/interpretation over authorial intent. It's bullshit.

Heavily disagree. Just as movies and video games are not the product of a single artist, even director or writer, their stories aren't produced without the collaborative effort of the audience.

There's no Matrix upload where a writer just implants the story into your brain exactly as they intend it. You do some of the work in constructing the story as well.

The author doesn't tell you that something is a flashback -- you use your own cognitive ability to recognize that sepia tones/desaturated coloring, or certain wipes and/or dissolves indicate that what we're now seeing is a flashback. Taken at face value, there's nothing inherent in, say, the presentation of the Kalm Flashback in FFVII to indicate that we're not witnessing a chronological progression with Cloud being in Kalm one moment and then in a truck headed toward Nibelheim the next.

Was this a reality warp or continuity error? Or was it just a flashback? How do you know?

Does anyone have to tell us that Zack was just dreaming in Crisis Core when he saw a feather float down and land on water? Did any of us think that he was actually anywhere other than in a tube under the Shinra Mansion at that time?

Likewise, you use your own cognitive ability with voice-overs that are occurring in a place other than the visual space we're seeing while hearing those voice-overs. For example, in the final scene of "The Dark Knight," Gordon isn't simultaneously talking in the same visual space as his son, Batman, Alfred and Lucius. Does the director tell you this, or do you know this because you understand the language of film?

The author is relying on you to work with them to understand the story. As such, the construction of that story is not based on them alone. They've thrown some disparate elements at you and hoped you would put them together.

Because of this kind of storytelling, there are inevitably things that authors have included that are either going to indicate ideas they didn't intend or that will elicit different -- but no less valid -- interpretations in different people. Especially when the author chooses to say nothing on the matter.

Literary analysis is every bit as important as those things that are stated plainly within the story -- the two go hand in hand in the construction of most stories.