LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Celes Chere]

YOU'RE GROSS!

 

[Son Goku]

s!

 

[Dashell]

Sorta back on topic...

so we have two quotes by Nomura where he's all leaving it up to the player and acting like he doesn't know stuff... supposedly there's the "won't choose for Cloud" one and I remember the one talking about there being a CxT scene at the end of FFVII that was cut (I THINK anyway, I might just be remembering the KH2 quote wrong)...

depending on when these all took place, I think I can see why some would say he's said it several times throughout the years. So if those quotes can be found, I'll retract my statement about there not being several.

 

[Son Goku]

Nomura deserves this:

 

[Dashell]

A better one would be an animated gif of what his face (can't think of his name, it's late) in Office Space beating up the printer... anyone have that one?

 

[Ite]

I like it here.

 

[Dashell]

Michael.. his name is Michael... I guess

 

[Celes Chere]

A better one would be an animated gif of what his face (can't think of his name, it's late) in Office Space beating up the printer... anyone have that one?

 

[Son Goku]

Wanna Dance?

 

[Strangelove]

It's Dragon Quest Monopoly. FF is the new player in the game, since the merger.

DQ only came into it when FF did (the original Special). The only connection it had with DQ was that they were both designed by Yuuji Horii and had some elements from the DQ in the earlier games.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Why does Nomura need to choose for Cloud? Cloud has already chosen: it ain't pink.
You're all just jealous you got no shirtless merchandise

 

[Raquelborn]

They show more canonical love towards each other than either do to Cloud.

I enjoyed reading your thoughts in your tl;dr post but I don't agree with this at all. Tifa showed so much love and devotion towards Cloud during the game I actually wanted to throw up at points.

 

[Celes Chere]

Kay Mr Ite, I feel bad because I didn't actually read your post. So now I have.

I really like Cloud and Aeris, I think they're adorable together

Same here. And the fanart, just beautiful. But of course, I don't support them together, which would be where we disagree. xD

That being said, the imaginary realm of Cleris is really great.

Agreed. I don't really read fanfictions, but I did read a Clerith one at a time that was so sweet and sad, it ended up being one of my favorite stories! Of course that was so long ago that I don't remember it anymore. xD I really like Clerith graphics, too. Some people have made some amazing PRO-Clerith graphics. So I can clearly see who is making the shitty Anti Cloti ones.

It seems like their relationship could work... with a lot of work.

I don't see how their relationship NEEDS any work. Cloud and Tifa seem to understand one another, come CoT/ACC they had some problems, but they worked them out. There were some things that even Tifa could not understand, but she helped Cloud through his struggles. That's what makes them a good pair. The fact that they go through problems and become closer because of it. Seriously, does anyone of the official statement that actually says Cloud and Tifa are drawn closer together because of their hardships? I know there is an official quote for it, but I don't remember where it's from and I doubt anyone who isn't Cloti will take my word for it, lol.

whereas with Aeris, Cloud only has his past. Isn't the game partially about making peace with your past and moving on?

Not even past. I think the past is Tifa's too. What I saw between Cloud and Aerith was a more than friends less than lovers relationship. Moving on doesn't mean you have to move on from a person! Aerith and Zack are always going to be a part of Cloud, no matter what.

I agree with what you said about Tifa's 'future' character, but her character in the past is also a remarkable woman. That's the Tifa I fell in love with, man! xD

Cloud and Tifa in the game have a really rough time, it's rocky and destructive

But they help each other through it. Especially during the Life Stream and Highwind scene. We get to see their feelings revealed. We get to see them stick together with each other, and go to avenge Aerith and the others together. We see Tifa rescue Cloud, find out that his mind has a lot of her in it, and then see the two of them share a special moment. (not necessarily physical) People saying the HW scene is not canon, is a desperate action and being afraid of what is truly there. Otherwise, why would it MATTER if it's canon or not?

It's too real, it's too painful.

Again, I wouldn't call the LS scene real. And I disagree that it's painful. I think Cloti is an emotional roller coaster (good and bad) that ends nicely. That's what I like about it, it's colorful. Cloud and Aerith is boring, in the game. They talk once and I'm somehow supposed to be hooked, especially when knowing that Cloud isn't even really acting himself later on? Then we get an admittance from Aerith that she wants to know who the real Cloud is. Sorry, but I'm not sold on their supposed lovey-dovey relationship. At the game's conclusion, Cloud and Tifa said they wanted to see Aerith! I don't get why this is a bad thing. Everyone took Aerith's death in a harsh way, Cloud and Tifa the most. And we've seen how Cloud handles deaths of people he cares about - it's not pretty. Tifa is ready to be there for him, even though he's emotionally unstable. Also, if you can't find Cloti fanfiction, try the fanart. It's absolutely amazing! >=D

Better yet, read CoT. Cloud says he wants to start a new life with her. You can't tell me that's not romantic. XD

 

[Winter]

if clerith is "sweet" or "fluffy", the author is doing it wrong.

C/A is a depressing and complicated relationship and writing it otherwise, in KH or FFVII canon is both obscenely boring and out of character.

I find C/T to be pretty troubled as well, but it's only interesting when it isn't working (in my opinion ) HAPPY FAMILY CLOTI is so boring and out of character I want to claw my eyes out, whereas semi-happy Cleris is at least interesting.

yes, I still don't like C/T much

 

[Ryushikaze]

DQ only came into it when FF did (the original Special). The only connection it had with DQ was that they were both designed by Yuuji Horii and had some elements from the DQ in the earlier games.

I thought there was a game with the DQ chars before ISS. In any case, there have been IS games sans FF chars, like the mario crossover game they released.

 

[Strangelove]

The older ones had their own world and characters, in a modern day setting (but with some DQ gimmicks like the casino), IIRC. After Special they seemed to have moved away in favour of focus on DQ and FF elements, though.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I think they had DQ cameos too, since I recall playing a rom of one of the old ones and it having DQ chars in it.

Sorta back on topic...

so we have two quotes by Nomura where he's all leaving it up to the player and acting like he doesn't know stuff... supposedly there's the "won't choose for Cloud" one and I remember the one talking about there being a CxT scene at the end of FFVII that was cut (I THINK anyway, I might just be remembering the KH2 quote wrong)...

You are misremembering. Because that scene was not cut. It was turned into something less explicit.

depending on when these all took place, I think I can see why some would say he's said it several times throughout the years. So if those quotes can be found, I'll retract my statement about there not being several.

So make the people SAYING THERE ARE PROVE IT.

 

[Ite]

Thank you Reanbell and Winter for actual replies kthx.

And yes, all right, Tifa shows a crapload of affection towards Cloud in game, and the Aeris/Tifa stuff is again imaginary (must...not...snicker...) but I find that Tifa's devotion to wheelchair Cloud, heartbreaking as it is, is almost Twilightian.

But apparently this thread isn't about what the girls think.

The thing about this is it's not about who Cloud can BE with it's about who he loves.

If that's the question, change a few words in my cool-bro-story and you get the same answer. Why is it so hard to believe that he loves them both? People love more than one person all of the time.

And Nomura can suck my balls.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

If that's the question, change a few words in my cool-bro-story and you get the same answer. Why is it so hard to believe that he loves them both? People love more than one person all of the time.

And Nomura can suck my balls.

No one here is saying Cloud can't love them both. I am flat out saying he doesn't, at least not in the same way, Does he hold Aerith dear to him? Yes. Love her as he does his other firends? Yes. Have a special little soft spot right next to Zack in his fantasies heart? Again, yes. In love with her? No.

Also, I did enjoy your post.

 

[looneymoon]

if clerith is "sweet" or "fluffy", the author is doing it wrong.

C/A is a depressing and complicated relationship and writing it otherwise, in KH or FFVII canon is both obscenely boring and out of character.

I find C/T to be pretty troubled as well, but it's only interesting when it isn't working (in my opinion ) HAPPY FAMILY CLOTI is so boring and out of character I want to claw my eyes out, whereas semi-happy Cleris is at least interesting.

yes, I still don't like C/T much

This totally. In general I've stumbled upon wayyy better C/A fanfic than C/T =\

I think part of that reason is because I don't really like reading about newlyweds/new parents. Unless they're going through major troubles and aren't in that blissful happyhappy stage.

Then again, decent fanfic seems to be particularly sparse in FF7 fandom.

 

[crack]

This totally. In general I've stumbled upon wayyy better C/A fanfic than C/T =\

What, seriously?

I love Clerith fanfics, but I can hardly find anything that I actually like and that's not completely depressing and angsty.

And honestly, I think there are a good amount of Cloti fics out there. TRY HARDER

 

[looneymoon]

I like depressing and angsty

The tendency I find with Cloti fics is that authors tend to prefer writing about the "wooing" stage of the relationship. So I always seem to find post-AC fics where C/T still haven't gotten together. Which does not make sense.

I think the best in-universe C/T fic I read was one told through Aeris' POV. I kind of wish I could find that one again

 

[crack]

Depressing and angsty is good but I would like some Clerith fluff for once.

And I don't necessarily think Cloud and Tifa would have been together after AC, not necessarily that quickly. They're still rebuilding their relationship, especially considering how much they've been through. I think it makes perfect sense.

I think I know what fanfiction you're talking about. It's in Aerith's POV in AC, right?

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

HA HA YOU FOOLS I ONLY WRITE PORN

bad porn

 

[looneymoon]

That should be the one, though it's possible there are multiple fics with the same concept.

I think Cloud/Tifa have a lot to learn from penguins.