Most Powerful Hero/Villain

[Max Payne]

Doesn't take much to push you over the edge does it, just calm down and stay on topic.

When someone behaves like you do, it doesn't take much to annoy someone.

Which Chaos are you speaking of? There's more than one

There's only one who can summon powerful villains from different worlds.

 

[Username]

Knights of the round.

 

[Max Payne]

That's a summon. Not a Hero or Villain.

 

[Buster Sword]

When someone behaves like you do, it doesn't take much to annoy someone.



There's only one who can summon powerful villains from different worlds.

Well, seems like you are the only one, that says something, stop getting all personal.

But techincally does that make him the most powerful, just because he can summon them?

Oh shit

AND LMAO.

 

[Max Payne]

Well, seems like you are the only one, that says something, stop getting all personal.

It never was.

But techincally does that make him the most powerful, just because he can summon them?

He's a god, who apparently can bend other people to his will. I don't see why he wouldn't be of greater strength.

 

[Buster Sword]

It never was.



He's a god, who apparently can bend other people to his will. I don't see why he wouldn't be of greater strength.

Of course...

Sephiroths a god too, so was Kefka, the title doesn't mean much though. Sephiroth has a very strong will too, but I don't have him up there tbh.

For instance, Ultimecia vs Chaos, the hell is he going to if he gets compressed?

 

[Username]

ok then, Auron, because he drinks like me and can destroy people.

 

[Max Payne]

Sephiroths a god too, so was Kefka, the title doesn't mean much though. Sephiroth has a very strong will too, but I don't have him up there tbh.

Sephiroth is not a god, and Kefka, I don't think he has the power he did at the end of his game.

Either way, Chaos is supposed to be the big bad of the entire Final Fantasy universe. There's no point if he's not stronger than them.

 

[Buster Sword]

Sephiroth is not a good, and neither is Kefka.

Eer yes. Sephiroth was more of a demi god, but Kefka was. Still doesn't change the fact that the term "god" is only a title.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Neither of them has been demonstrated to have any power to bend people to their will, however, which is the important part. Well, Sephiroth can, but only people with Jenova cell infusions, which is a pretty limited power. It looks like Chaos, on the other hand, can bend anyone.

 

[Max Payne]

Kefka wasn't a god in the general sense of the word. He was godlike. He had a "god" form. Didn't make him a god.

Either way Chaos is still supposed to be the big bad of the entire FF universe. He's got to be stronger than most, if not all of them.

 

[Username]

Well Auron could take on sephiroth.

 

[Masamune]

Wow... this topic is...wow.

Just because Chaos owns the other villains doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than them.

But what are we talking here? Raw power? Influence?

 

[Buster Sword]

Kefka wasn't a god. He was godlike. He had a "god" form. Didn't make him a god.

Either way Chaos is still supposed to be the big bad of the entire FF universe. He's got to be stronger than most, if not all of them.

It still doesn't change the fact that being a god is just a title.

And, not really, to the second point, as we all know the main villain isn't always the most powerful.

Neither of them has been demonstrated to have any power to bend people to their will, however, which is the important part. Well, Sephiroth can, but only people with Jenova cell infusions, which is a pretty limited power. It looks like Chaos, on the other hand, can bend anyone.

That would be a kind of no limits fallacy if you look at it like that though.

 

[Buster Sword]

Wow... this topic is...wow.

Just because Chaos owns the other villains doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than them.
But what are we talking here? Raw power? Influence?

THANK YOU THANK YOU.

Either, both, neither. lol.

 

[Max Payne]

It still doesn't change the fact that being a god is just a title.

And, not really, to the second point, as we all know the main villain isn't always the most powerful.

Except within each of their games the main villains in Final Fantasy always wind up the most powerful.

And "God" is a title that entails limitless power on the scale of omnipotence. It's not something to just be thrown around lightly.

Chaos not being the most powerful wouldn't make any sense. He's going to summon a horde of insanely powerful maniacs with no allegiance to anyone but themselves to help tip the balance in his favor, that could easily defeat him? Doesn't make any sense at all.

Of course being stronger doesn't mean he's going to win all the time. The whole point of him being stronger is to make the hero's victory all the more glorious.

 

[Buster Sword]

Except within each of their games the main villains in Final Fantasy always wind up the most powerful.

Not really. Necron > Kuja for example.

And "God" is a title that entails limitless power on the scale of omnipotence. It's not something to just be thrown around lightly.

I hope you ain't under the delusion that being a "god" always makes you omnipotent? Because not all gods are omnipotent, look at the Kais, they fail lol. New Gods, etc. Kratos was a god and he was nowhere near omnipotent.

Chaos not being the most powerful wouldn't make any sense. He's going to summon a horde of insanely powerful maniacs with no allegiance to anyone but themselves to help to the balance in his favor, that could easily defeat him? Doesn't make any sense at all.

So because SE throw him in for the hell of it, he's above everyone else? Just because he can summon them, doesn't make him more powerful than them, can he compress time like Ultimecia, does he have their abilities and more? Being the master or in charge doesn't make you somehow more powerful.

Of course being stronger doesn't mean he's going to win all the time. The whole point of him being stronger is to make the hero's victory all the more glorious.

Eh? lol

 

[Username]

Hey who was the villian in FF9 who looked like earth? that was meant to be pretty powerful.

 

[Ⓐaron]

That would be a kind of no limits fallacy if you look at it like that though.

well since you haven't bothered to clarify what you mean by "most powerful" there's a lot of room for semantic disagreement. I say that if a person can bend others to their will, there's pretty much no one who would be more powerful than that person due to the fact that anyone who would disagree with their will would simply be realigned by force. Of course, it's possible that there are limits to Chaos's ability to do this, but I'm not really aware of any; I was under the impression that Chaos avoided attempting to alter the heroes' will out of sheer arrogance.

 

[Buster Sword]

Necron?

well since you haven't bothered to clarify what you mean by "most powerful" there's a lot of room for semantic disagreement. I say that if a person can bend others to their will, there's pretty much no one who would be more powerful than that person due to the fact that anyone who would disagree with their will would simply be realigned by force.

Nobody in FF is omnipotent, so no limits fallacies can't really work. Im just saying, bending ones will doesn't mean you can bend everyones will, there are plenty of things to take into account. e.g Kuja would probably pwn Sefiros from a distance, but if Sefiros got close, Kuja is likely to be pwned, get me?

 

[Max Payne]

Not really. Necron > Kuja for example.

Fine, most of the games then.

I hope you ain't under the delusion that being a "god" always makes you omnipotent? Because not all gods are omnipotent, look at the Kais, they fail lol. New Gods, etc. Kratos was a god and he was nowhere near omnipotent.

The title still implies power on a cosmic scale. Either way, it depends on the fiction in question. So I guess the point is moot.

So because SE throw him in for the hell of it, he's above everyone else? Just because he can summon them, doesn't make him more powerful than them, can he compress time like Ultimecia, does he have their abilities and more? Being the master or in charge doesn't make you somehow more powerful.

He wasn't "thrown in for the hell of it" he is meant to be the big villain of Dissidia, which is a confrontation of epic proportions for the Final Fantasy Universe, why the hell would he not be the strongest? It would defeat the purpose of his even being there if he was weaker than several of the people he called there himself.

 

[Masamune]

Yeah, but Dacon, the other villains aren't at the peak of their powers in Dissidia. That much is certain.

Hey who was the villian in FF9 who looked like earth? that was meant to be pretty powerful.

Ozma?

 

[Username]

Yeh necron...cos like he was trying make a entire world of nothing. thats like very powerful indeed.

 

[Max Payne]

Yeah, but Dacon, the other villains aren't at the peak of their powers in Dissidia. That much is certain.

So we should just assume he's weaker than them?

 

[Ⓐaron]

Nobody in FF is omnipotent, so no limits fallacies can't really work. Im just saying, bending ones will doesn't mean you can bend everyones will, there are plenty of things to take into account. e.g Kuja would probably pwn Sefiros from a distance, but if Sefiros got close, Kuja is likely to be pwned, get me?

The point is that Chaos can clearly bend all the other villains' will, which means that he's pretty clearly stronger than all of them. Though I suppose Masamune has a point, but really, there's no canonical way to know for certain how they'd fare in a matchup when all of them were at the peak of their powers