Most Powerful Hero/Villain

[Username]

but what about necron?

 

[Masamune]

I said playing God doesn't necessarily make him the most powerful. =P They serve him, but it doesn't mean none of them have the potential to defeat him. The whole thing is entirely relative based on time and place. Now if we put every FF villain at the highest point of their power, would Chaos still come out on top?

 

[Buster Sword]

Fine, most of the games then.

Cheers ears.

The title still implies power on a cosmic scale. Either way, it depends on the fiction in question.

That's thepoint Im trying to make, it's only relevant to the fiction its from, and by the looks of it, nobody is omnipotent in FF.

He wasn't "thrown in for the hell of it" he is meant to be the big villain of Dissidia, which is a confrontation of epic proportions, why the hell would he not be the strongest? It would defeat the purpose of his even being there?

Just because he IS there doesn't make him the most powerful. That's what doesn't make sense.

 

[Buster Sword]

The point is that Chaos can clearly bend all the other villains' will, which means that he's pretty clearly stronger than all of them. Though I suppose Masamune has a point, but really, there's no canonical way to know for certain how they'd fare in a matchup when all of them were at the peak of their powers

Stronger how so? Bending someones will isn't som insta pwn you know. He does have a point, and thats the point I am stressing.

This.

I said playing God doesn't necessarily make him the most powerful. =P They serve him, but it doesn't mean none of them have the potential to defeat him. The whole thing is entirely relative based on time and place. Now if we put every FF villain at the highest point of their power, would Chaos still come out on top?

 

[Max Payne]

A god of a universe should not be weaker than someone who reaches godlike power on one planet in the universe he's a god of. That seems like common sense to me.

Masamune, having the potential to defeat someone doesn't mean you're not weaker than them.

By all rights, if we're going just on strength alone, Sephiroth, Kefka, Kuja, they all should have been victorious.

 

[Buster Sword]

So we should just assume he's weaker than them?

Based on feats, sure.

 

[Username]

I give up..........NECRON.

 

[Max Payne]

Then Chaos is stronger than them all.

 

[Buster Sword]

A god of a universe should not be weaker than someone who reaches godlike power on one planet in the universe he's a god of. That seems like common sense to me.

Masamune, having the potential to defeat someone doesn't mean you're not weaker than them.

By all rights, if we're going just on strength alone, Sephiroth, Kefka, Kuja, they all should have been victorious.

You are just assuming because he is the godplayer he is the most powerful, which still makes no sense, Sephiroth is stated the strongest, properly stated, but he has feats to back up these statements in showing that he is >>>> anyone else in VII, has Chaos got the same backing?

Sephiroth loses because he's a dumbass, its' that simple. etc etc

 

[Buster Sword]

Then Chaos is stronger than them all.

Because SE just makes him pops up for dissidia he is somehow omnipotent? lol

 

[Max Payne]

You are just assuming because he is the godplayer he is the most powerful, which still makes no sense,

It makes plenty of sense that the god of chaos of the entire FF universe, who can rip people from wherever in space and time he wants apparently, would be stronger than the people within the universe he and Cosmos are the gods of.

Sephiroth loses because he's a dumbass, its' that simple. etc etc

He didn't lose at the end of FF7 because "he's a dumbass". He lost because Avalanche took him down with their combined strength. There's no reason at all to assume he lost in Crater because he held back. None.

Because SE just makes him pops up for dissidia he is somehow omnipotent? lol

Because the ability to manipulate the most powerful individuals in the many worlds in the FF universe is nothing to snub your nose at.

 

[Username]

I dont think sephiroth used his power to full potential in FF7, put it that way.

 

[Max Payne]

Yes, he didn't use his powers to their full potential when his entire future, the plans he'd been working on, his everything depended on that fight. He just sat back and dicked around while Cloud and his friends ruined everything he worked for.

 

[Buster Sword]

It makes plenty of sense that the god of chaos of the entire FF universe, who can rip people from wherever in space and time he wants apparently, would be stronger than the people within the universe he and Cosmos are the gods of.

Not really, you are just clinging to the title again. Oh wow he can wrip people from time and space, Ultimecia compresses time and space, can Chaos exist without time and space? You are making baseless arguments, you have to prove the positive, all you've done is said he's the big cheese bad guy, so he HAS to be the strongest.

He didn't lose at the end of FF7 because "he's a dumbass". He lost because Avalanche took him down with their combined strength. There's no reason at all to assume he lost in Crater because he held back. None.

I would have thought the "dumbass" part would make it obvious I was talking about AC/C. He wasn't holding back in physical force in AC, but thats an arguement for another day dude. And if you think about it, he is still damn arrogant, and "dumb" to some extent, why not kill Avalanche before they got so powerful? And if you are saying I am assuming he was holding back in VII, which I wasn't, you are assuming too, we don't actually know.

 

[Masamune]

A god of a universe should not be weaker than someone who reaches godlike power on one planet in the universe he's a god of. That seems like common sense to me.

Considering Ultimecia can bend time to her will, Sephiroth & Kefka can destroy worlds, the Emperor can overthrow Satan, etc. apart from bringing them all together, what makes Chaos invariably greater than all of them?

Masamune, having the potential to defeat someone doesn't mean you're not weaker than them.

So we could say the same for Chaos then?

 

[Ⓐaron]

he is still damn arrogant, and "dumb" to some extent

same could be said for all FF villains. Kefka could've slaughtered the entire party at any time for most of FFVI but didn't bother to, for example.

 

[Username]

Yes, he didn't use his powers to their full potential when his entire future, the plans he'd been working on, his everything depended on that fight. He just sat back and dicked around while Cloud and his friends ruined everything he worked for.

Well he seemed in AC more powerful even without using half his full potential.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Kefka could really have only killed the party after say, Thamasa.

 

[Buster Sword]

same could be said for all FF villains. Kefka could've slaughtered the entire party at any time for most of FFVI but didn't bother to, for example.

Yeah, but Kefka has the feats under his belt to PROVE he can do mass slaughter, tear up planets etc.

 

[Max Payne]

Yeah SE made their big bad villain, in the biggest FF crossover ever, a confrontation spanning worlds, a pup, weaker than everyone else.

That makes much more sense.

 

[Buster Sword]

Well he seemed in AC more powerful even without using half his full potential.

He is more powerful in AC.

 

[Buster Sword]

Yeah SE made their big bad villain, in the biggest FF crossover ever a pup, weaker than everyone else because he's not as cool as them. Because the final villain is always weakest.

That makes much more sense.

I never said he was weaker than everyone else, I am saying he isn't the strongest, you have nothing to base him being the strongest upon.

 

[Max Payne]

And you have nothing to say he isn't do you?

They made him the God of Chaos, the perpetrator of the villain's appearance, the one who manipulated them into this conflict, to make him out to be a huge threat to the entire FF universe. It doesn't make sense to me at all that he would be weaker than them, but you guys can think what you like and all that.

These kinds of debates never go anywhere, anyway.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I never said he was weaker than everyone else, I am saying he isn't the strongest, you have nothing to base him being the strongest upon.

The fault in your logic is that you're looking at this like a science equation instead of looking at it from a narrative, storytelling point of view.

 

[Buster Sword]

The fault in your logic is that you're looking at this like a science equation instead of looking at it from a narrative, storytelling point of view.

Feats trumps all imo, put your money where your mouth is I say.