Most Powerful Hero/Villain

[Cat Rage Room]

Apparently you don't get it. Let me repeat:

The fault in your logic is that you're looking at this like a science equation instead of looking at it from a narrative, storytelling point of view.

 

[Buster Sword]

And you have nothing to say he isn't do you?

They made him the God of Chaos, the perpetrator of the villain's appearance, the one who manipulated them into this conflict, to make him out to be a huge threat to the entire FF universe. It doesn't make sense to me at all that he would be weaker than them, but you guys can think what you like and all that.

These kinds of debates never go anywhere, anyway.

Did you miss the part where you have to prove the positive, not me prove the negative?
I say Ultimecia is stronger because she can compress/control time, she HAS done this. Kefka is a planet wrecker, he HAS done this, what has Chaos done other than come from out of Nomura's arse?

If he's so powerful, the hell does he need weaker beings, same with Cosmos? You are still ignoring the fact you are making baseless arguments.

You didn't know that? Lol, it still kept you posting for an hour.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Hmm, you must be a little slow. One more time;

The fault in your logic is that you're looking at this like a science equation instead of looking at it from a narrative, storytelling point of view.

 

[Buster Sword]

Apparently you don't get it. Let me repeat:

The fault in your logic is that you're looking at this like a science equation instead of looking at it from a narrative, storytelling point of view.

Actually I do. They have displayed power the over shadows Chaos, Chaos "maybe" is supposed to be more powerful than them, but where is the evidence of that, rather than assuming dude?

 

[Buster Sword]

Hmm, you must be a little slow. One more time;

The fault in your logic is that you're looking at this like a science equation instead of looking at it from a narrative, storytelling point of view.

The post above yours wasn't a response to you. LOL.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Actually I do. They have displayed power the over shadows Chaos, Chaos "maybe" is supposed to be more powerful than them, but where is the evidence of that, rather than assuming dude?

There is no overwhelming 'evidence' because it's a goddamn video game plot from a two bit side story and you're supposed to take it at face value instead of dissecting it to death like a religious text.

 

[Buster Sword]

There is no overwhelming 'evidence' because it's a goddamn video game plot from a two bit side story and you're supposed to take it at face value instead of dissecting it to death like a religious text.

I never said it was overwhelming, but it is still there.

I think you're the one that needs to calm down lol.

It passes time etc.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

No, I was making a point, man, and it still stands. It's a plot from a hand held video game. I'm pretty sure the creators intended the story to be taken as face value, as, what you see is what you get.

 

[Buster Sword]

No, I was making a point, man, and it still stands. It's a plot from a hand held video game. I'm pretty sure the creators intended the story to be taken as face value, as, what you see is what you get.

Lol but you were making it out like we/I was taking it to heart, its a bit of fun, whats wrong with that?

Masamune has already said villains weren't really at their peaks...

 

[Max Payne]

Did you miss the part where you have to prove the positive, not me prove the negative?
I say Ultimecia is stronger because she can compress/control time, she HAS done this. Kefka is a planet wrecker, he HAS done this, what has Chaos done other than come from out of Nomura's arse?

I'm sorry, it seemed obvious to me that a cosmic, universal threat would be more powerful than people who've only ever managed to menace one planet.

If he's so powerful, the hell does he need weaker beings, same with Cosmos?

He summoned them to tip the balance of good and evil in his favor. So he could gain favor in his conflict against Cosmos, and she did the same. They're both of equal power, so they needed some way to gain the upper hand over the other.

You are still ignoring the fact you are making baseless arguments.

And you're not? You say Chaos isn't the strongest, but you have nothing to put forward to say he's not other that what other people have done.

You didn't know that? Lol, it still kept you posting for an hour.

Yeah, I really didn't know.

 

[Username]

the nes.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I don't mind the debate itself, but it's your argument that I'm arguing against. You're demanding all of this evidence for something that doesn't really require evidence.

C'mon man, just say that I have a point.

 

[Buster Sword]

I'm sorry, it seemed obvious to me that a cosmic, universal threat would be more powerful than people who've only ever managed to menace one planet.

Lol he isn't Galactus man, what makes him some cosmic level threat, him pulling the strings?

He summoned them to tip the balance of good and evil in his favor. So he could gain favor in his conflict against Cosmos, and she did the same.

Which only shows he's playing games, this isn't Secret wars or something, where the Beyonder has SHOWN his 1337ness. lol.

And you're not? You say Chaos isn't the strongest, but you have nothing to put forward to say he's not other that what other people have done.

I am saying negatives, I am right until you disprove it, it's how debates work, I say Ultimecia can mess with time/space, you can't disprove it because she can.

Yeah, I really didn't know.

Oh silly Dacon haha.

 

[Buster Sword]

I don't mind the debate itself, but it's your argument that I'm arguing against. You're demanding all of this evidence for something that doesn't really require evidence.

C'mon man, just say that I have a point.

Of course you have a point, but that's the beauty of arguing

You have a point about Chaos, but I also have a point about FF villains at their peak have shown they are more capable. Remember Im not talking soley about Dissidia.

I demand evidence because I bring forth mine haha.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

I am saying negatives, I am right until you disprove it, it's how debates work,

XFD

that's not how debates work at all, man.

 

[Max Payne]

Lol he isn't Galactus man, what makes him some cosmic level threat, him pulling the strings?

Because he's the bloody God of Chaos of the entire FF universe trying to destroy the balance of good and evil.

How the hell is that not a cosmic threat?

Which only shows he's playing games, this isn't Secret wars or something, where the Beyonder has SHOWN his 1337ness. lol.

He's not playing games, wtf, he's doing this so he can destroy Cosmos.

I am saying negatives, I am right until you disprove it, it's how debates work, I say Ultimecia can mess with time/space, you can't disprove it because she can.

You're not right because you have done nothing to prove Chaos is weaker.

 

[Masamune]

Chaos is the strongest in Dissidia. Let me start by saying that.

But look at some of the facts: Sephiroth isn't the meteor-hurling seraph, Kuja takes the place of Necron (who is a far greater entity), and there's no Neo Exdeath either. Now from an IN-UNIVERSE perspective, one could argue that Chaos still had to keep his minions on a tight-leash, which is why they are only watered down versions.

 

[Buster Sword]

Because he's the bloody God of Chaos of the entire FF universe trying to destroy the balance of good and evil.

How the hell is that not a cosmic threat?

Again, the title loffle.

How the hell is that a cosmic threat, you aren't seriously saying he's on Galactus level are you? Haha. There are quite a few villains in FF that want existance gone too.

He's not playing games, wtf, he's doing this so he can destroy Cosmos.

By using pawns.

You're not right because you have done nothing to prove Chaos is weaker.

You still don't get it then do you? You made a claim he is stronger, you have yet to prove it other than he is the god of lolwhatever, I have and Masa have said what other FF villains are capable of, and it beats what Chaos has shown to do. That's how I did it. omfg this is sentry all over again lol.

 

[Max Payne]

Okay at their strongest they might be on the same level as Chaos, but stronger? I just don't buy it.

 

[Buster Sword]

Chaos is the strongest in Dissidia. Let me start by saying that.

But look at some of the facts: Sephiroth isn't the meteor-hurling seraph, Kuja takes the place of Necron (who is a far greater entity), and there's no Neo Exdeath either. Now from an IN-UNIVERSE perspective, one could argue that Chaos still had to keep his minions on a tight-leash, which is why they are only watered down versions.

That and I wasn't specifically talking about Dissidia. <33

 

[Buster Sword]

Okay at their strongest they might be on the same level as Chaos, but stronger? I just don't buy it.

Yes actually, because wth has Chaos done?

 

[Max Payne]

Again, the title loffle.

How the hell is that a cosmic threat, you aren't seriously saying he's on Galactus level are you? Haha. There are quite a few villains in FF that want existance gone too.

Where is it stated that he wants existence gone? There are varying levels of cosmic threats.

By using pawns.

And? He's gathering the forces of evil together to destroy the forces of good. He can't destroy Cosmos alone since she's as strong as he is.

You still don't get it then do you? You made a claim he is stronger, you have yet to prove it other than he is the god of lolwhatever, I have and Masa have said what other FF villains are capable of, and it beats what Chaos has shown to do. That's how I did it. omfg this is sentry all over again lol.

See, you don't get it. You have made a claim that he is weaker, you have yet to prove that.

I have the benefit of the narrative on my side. That's all I need.

 

[Buster Sword]

Where is it stated that he wants existence gone? There are varying levels of cosmic threats.

By saying that, I meant their threat level. Yes, and I can only think of about 3 that would even give Silver Surfer trouble, who is closer to the bottom end of the cosmic food chain.

And? He's gathering the forces of evil together to destroy the forces of good. He's can't destory Cosmos alone since she's as strong as he is.

Yes, so he is still playing games. He is still "using" them.

See, you don't get it. You have made a claim that he is weaker, you have yet to prove that.

I have the benefit of the narrative on my side. That's all I need.

Because you like to ignore what Ultimecia and others are capable and say that Chaos pwns because he teh god.

Not really because you like to assume we are talking about watered down versions of the villains, which I am actually talking about villains at thier peaks.


Hey guys, what happened to the heroes? lol

 

[Username]

Blimey we still debating here, here are the main lot:

Chaos
Necron
Auron
Sephiroth
Kuja

 

[Buster Sword]

Sorry, I just wanted to make the 100 post

And Auron is a hero lol.