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Flintlock
Pro Adventurer
If only there was someone here who could move it...
Cookie Monster
NOM NOM NOM
What happened to those weekly/monthly staff/members hangout sessions? We were supposed to keep that going after the last drama fest. We should have a thread dedicated to it, so we know when and where we decide to have said IM parties.
EDIT: Also, thrad moved to proper section.
EDIT: Also, thrad moved to proper section.
Geostigma
Pro Adventurer
- AKA
- gabe
About the kotaku thing:
Keep at it, My subscribers on youtube got one of my videos on there and at that time we only had like 250 ish subs and Im not even sure how many of them were sending the link to the Kotaku editors (I woke up surprised one morning to see an email from a sub saying "look what I did for you" lol).
I gained nearly 1k subscribers due to the whole viral video and Kotaku thing, over the course of like 2 days.
Just keep sending them emails. No reply? Write up another article or make a video and send another email and keep at it the pay off is definitely worth it.
Part of my channel is about Promoting community content, me and my youtube partner are planning to move away from BF3/FPS related stuff soon. If you guys have some Lets Plays or something gaming related I can chat with my partner in E-Crime and see if we can help promote TLS.
If not I've been considering remaking the Shinra Castle again in Minecraft, that was an easy 7k views the last time I made it a few years back. I could name drop TLS and link in the video description. Should get you guys some new members
About Pod casts.
Do it. Early on when we were building our first channel we would do podcast type videos with BF3 footage in the background.
People love this stuff, its one of the best ways to connect with a new audience. Theres something nice about being able to hear another persons voice when they talk about there opinions and hobbies that the written word will never match up to.
My suggestion: When an article or something comes out, post up the article on the front page then have a round table discussion about it with a handful of members/staff, make them go hand and hand and I promise people will definitely get into it.
Its easy a heck, do a skype call and use a program like Pamela or MP3Skype recorder and just go down a list of topics. Thats it lol.
I appreciate what a post like this can do for a site.
But at the same time it can also have a negative outcome. TLS is doing very well in terms of direction and new content and features.
Lets not rush things, lets not look at the next horizon when we barely made it here.
No one likes rush jobs and there easy to pick up on from the viewer stand point.
I say lets have TLS chillax, I think aside from maybe podcasts theres not much actual change thats really necessary for a very long time.
Keep at it, My subscribers on youtube got one of my videos on there and at that time we only had like 250 ish subs and Im not even sure how many of them were sending the link to the Kotaku editors (I woke up surprised one morning to see an email from a sub saying "look what I did for you" lol).
I gained nearly 1k subscribers due to the whole viral video and Kotaku thing, over the course of like 2 days.
Just keep sending them emails. No reply? Write up another article or make a video and send another email and keep at it the pay off is definitely worth it.
Part of my channel is about Promoting community content, me and my youtube partner are planning to move away from BF3/FPS related stuff soon. If you guys have some Lets Plays or something gaming related I can chat with my partner in E-Crime and see if we can help promote TLS.
If not I've been considering remaking the Shinra Castle again in Minecraft, that was an easy 7k views the last time I made it a few years back. I could name drop TLS and link in the video description. Should get you guys some new members
About Pod casts.
Do it. Early on when we were building our first channel we would do podcast type videos with BF3 footage in the background.
People love this stuff, its one of the best ways to connect with a new audience. Theres something nice about being able to hear another persons voice when they talk about there opinions and hobbies that the written word will never match up to.
My suggestion: When an article or something comes out, post up the article on the front page then have a round table discussion about it with a handful of members/staff, make them go hand and hand and I promise people will definitely get into it.
Its easy a heck, do a skype call and use a program like Pamela or MP3Skype recorder and just go down a list of topics. Thats it lol.
I appreciate what a post like this can do for a site.
But at the same time it can also have a negative outcome. TLS is doing very well in terms of direction and new content and features.
Lets not rush things, lets not look at the next horizon when we barely made it here.
No one likes rush jobs and there easy to pick up on from the viewer stand point.
I say lets have TLS chillax, I think aside from maybe podcasts theres not much actual change thats really necessary for a very long time.
Pixel
The Pixie King
This is the youtube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheLifestreamNet
I kinda just been using it as my own personal channel for projects, but id like to broaden it out, get subscribers, repeat visitors, get the tls brand out there. Any suggestions are welcome
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheLifestreamNet
I kinda just been using it as my own personal channel for projects, but id like to broaden it out, get subscribers, repeat visitors, get the tls brand out there. Any suggestions are welcome
Geostigma
Pro Adventurer
- AKA
- gabe
Suggestion:
Be shameless
Promote the video on other websites and forums, but tastefully (o.O)
Get on reddit, find some FF sub reddit (or make it) and post it on there, have TLS users upvote it and watch the views subs roll in.
I added your channel to socialblade, which basically just taps into the youtube api and tracks your stats. Since its barely been added it wont have any stats averaged out but watch it for the next few days
http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/TheLifestreamNet
Your goal. Get the channels average views per day to 1000.
At that point apply for partnership through a sponsor network (Socialblade, TGN,TNG,Vapor, Machinima)
^TGN would be the best bet imo, they have a 30 day trial clause, the rest have like 5 year contracts or above.
A partnership will do wonders for your channel, its almost insane the amount of subs the new subscribe banner and Channel Header will pull in
edit:
Make sure most if not all of your videos fall under Fair Use protection, and if you use music or plan to use music make sure its royalty free.
Also the music swap option on youtube is NOT royalty free music, its only royalty free for personal use (i.e. not legal on youtube).
Pixel
The Pixie King
lol hmmmm... that's gonna be a problem. The lps have game footage, and the audiobooks have SE copyright all over them, including music
Geostigma
Pro Adventurer
- AKA
- gabe
In game music thats scored for the game is fine, it generally falls under unintentional copyright violation categories.
The only time in game music is a problem is when your playing like a sports game that uses Artists material (i.e., like rap, ect.)
I never listened to the audio books, are they being read by a member? Or by someone from SE?
The only time in game music is a problem is when your playing like a sports game that uses Artists material (i.e., like rap, ect.)
I never listened to the audio books, are they being read by a member? Or by someone from SE?
Geostigma
Pro Adventurer
- AKA
- gabe
Have you received any Content ID strikes on the videos using fan remakes/mixes of the music?
The e-book stuff is borderline illegal if you ever plan on partnering the channel because its word for word reciting the original work. How ever you can argue that inspires debate and is for educational purposes (im assuming this is all in a foreign language originally?), you could argue that by translating it it becomes educational (not sure how I just know it works xD)
The e-book stuff is borderline illegal if you ever plan on partnering the channel because its word for word reciting the original work. How ever you can argue that inspires debate and is for educational purposes (im assuming this is all in a foreign language originally?), you could argue that by translating it it becomes educational (not sure how I just know it works xD)
Geostigma
Pro Adventurer
- AKA
- gabe
to lazy to multi quote.
First sentence: thats a false assumption, you can get hit with a copyright strike even if your not monetizing anything. Even if you have followed all of the rules you can still get hit with a strike and then its up to you to prove YT and the company flagging you wrong.
Second part: If you have your own commentary/discussion over the video and stills then legally you are allowed to have that content available on your channel as it would fall under protection of the Fair Use clause.
You should contest the strike
YT will (and have many times in the past) flag your account/give you a strike if the company who owns visual portion of the content makes a report. Even if its bogus and wont hold up they will still hit you with a strike
Geostigma
Pro Adventurer
- AKA
- gabe
Its a grey area.
For instance singing a song word for word(with none of the instruments or beats) and then uploading it on youtube is grounds for a copyright strike and or having the video taken down.
The likelyhood of something actually happening to something like a translation or ebook is pretty low though. But it only takes one person to report it through the content ID system to ruin things.
edit:
I mis-read your post.
I see where your going with the translation bit and I believe you may be right, thats probably why translation projects are usually ok
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Cthulhu
Administrator
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- Yop
I randomly googled: http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/copy-corner73.htm
It's pretty unambiguous when it comes to translations:
I'm not sure how popular the audiobooks and our translations are atm, or if they caught the eye of SE so far; I think it has, because they had named us one of their f4v0r1t3 fansites at one point.
I think we should just go for it; we haven't had any trouble or complaints from Square on copyright issues with all the translations and images we've posted over the years, so it sounds kinda weird if they'd start doing it now. Maybe if we made a lot of money over it.
It's pretty unambiguous when it comes to translations:
I'm not sure how popular the audiobooks and our translations are atm, or if they caught the eye of SE so far; I think it has, because they had named us one of their f4v0r1t3 fansites at one point.
I think we should just go for it; we haven't had any trouble or complaints from Square on copyright issues with all the translations and images we've posted over the years, so it sounds kinda weird if they'd start doing it now. Maybe if we made a lot of money over it.
The Twilight Mexican
Ex-SeeD-ingly good
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- TresDias
Media law is funny about this stuff. While the translations -- and, thus, the audiobooks -- are technically infringement, being that SE has made no attempt to sell most of these works in the English language, they would find it difficult to prove any harm for compensation's sake. Especially since the official translations that have been provided for Case of Tifa (the original only; not the revised edition), Case of Denzel, Case of Barret and Episode i were in limited supply and are now out of print.
They could, of course, still demand that distribution of any unauthorized derivative works cease, and would be well within their legal rights to do so. Really, though, they're unlikely to do anything unless they think they're missing out on money that they could make if our translations went away.
However, I agree with Yop. We should just go for it, see what happens, and hope SE feels that efforts like these made by fans are the sincerest form of flattery.
They could, of course, still demand that distribution of any unauthorized derivative works cease, and would be well within their legal rights to do so. Really, though, they're unlikely to do anything unless they think they're missing out on money that they could make if our translations went away.
However, I agree with Yop. We should just go for it, see what happens, and hope SE feels that efforts like these made by fans are the sincerest form of flattery.
Cthulhu
Administrator
- AKA
- Yop
Still, I don't think a judge will particularly care if Square did or didn't make an effort to publish stuff over here. It's like uploading movies or TV shows; even if Universal doesn't bother to release a movie over here, they'll still come and get you if you give it to others.
Which is crooked in this day and age, but there you go.
Which is crooked in this day and age, but there you go.
Shademp
420
The "let's try publishing it and see what happens" is my attitude in regards to front page material. We shall do as we have always done, then if posting more "risque" stuff still doesn't get us in trouble then we can continue on that course as well.
No need to go overboard with publishing copyrighted stuff though. I don't see us providing download links to entire music albums, full book scans, game rips etc. There should always be *some* restraint.
Time may be a deciding factor also. An old thing like the Toshiba DVD is unlikely to get reported. As the FFVII products age, so do we become more likely to get away with certain things (I think). YouTube took down videos showing the deleted scenes/cuts from Advent Children. But many years down the road, not YouTube and maybe not even Square would object to us uploading such material.
No need to go overboard with publishing copyrighted stuff though. I don't see us providing download links to entire music albums, full book scans, game rips etc. There should always be *some* restraint.
Time may be a deciding factor also. An old thing like the Toshiba DVD is unlikely to get reported. As the FFVII products age, so do we become more likely to get away with certain things (I think). YouTube took down videos showing the deleted scenes/cuts from Advent Children. But many years down the road, not YouTube and maybe not even Square would object to us uploading such material.
Geostigma
Pro Adventurer
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- gabe
The only problem with the "Lets try..." idea, atleast for youtube is that if something does happen it generally means having to start a new account on youtube
1 copyright strike is serious business, it removes alot of your privileges like unlisted and scheduled uploads, you lose custom thumbnails, you get banned from the individual monetization program, you get disqualified from ever accessing the full partner and sponsorship programs and a few other things.
If you get a second copy right strike you get banned from uploading content for a few weeks and if you get a third you get banned from youtube all together.
The scariest thing about youtube is that you can get hit by a strike at any moment, its not like if you upload something and if it doesnt get hit right there your in the clear.
You can get a strike years after the video was uploaded.
The reason I bring this up is because it would be a shame to have put in a ton of work and make big strides on your channel only to be forced to make a new one a year down the road after all that hard work due to an old video.
My tl;dr point is that on youtube its alot like walking on egg shells, anything can go wrong and the "lets see.." idea can be dangerous
1 copyright strike is serious business, it removes alot of your privileges like unlisted and scheduled uploads, you lose custom thumbnails, you get banned from the individual monetization program, you get disqualified from ever accessing the full partner and sponsorship programs and a few other things.
If you get a second copy right strike you get banned from uploading content for a few weeks and if you get a third you get banned from youtube all together.
The scariest thing about youtube is that you can get hit by a strike at any moment, its not like if you upload something and if it doesnt get hit right there your in the clear.
You can get a strike years after the video was uploaded.
The reason I bring this up is because it would be a shame to have put in a ton of work and make big strides on your channel only to be forced to make a new one a year down the road after all that hard work due to an old video.
Square doesnt even need to report it. A pissed off member/troll can through the content ID system on youtube. Thats why I said earlier it only takes 1 person to ruin everything.
My tl;dr point is that on youtube its alot like walking on egg shells, anything can go wrong and the "lets see.." idea can be dangerous
Shademp
420
YouTube is indeed very shaky ground. Because of the fact that it is like walking on egg shells, I created a separate YouTube account for the Toshiba DVD clips, just to increase the odds a bit that even if one channel gets shut down, I may still keep the other for some time.
I don't think TLS itself runs at great risk though. If we get a warning, we remove said item we got warned about. Not a problem, right? Again, still acknowledging that the YouTube aspect of TLS will always have the will-we-won't-we-get-shut-down element to it.
I don't think TLS itself runs at great risk though. If we get a warning, we remove said item we got warned about. Not a problem, right? Again, still acknowledging that the YouTube aspect of TLS will always have the will-we-won't-we-get-shut-down element to it.
Geostigma
Pro Adventurer
- AKA
- gabe
Not really.
It really depends on the video and who's issued the report to get the video the strike, if its a full on hit youtube removes it without your permission and you get the strike anyway.
At that point it has a minimum lifetime of 6 months, how ever at the 6 month time its up to the company that issued the report to contact YT to release the strike. If no such release is sent the strike will stay on the account indefinitely.
You can appeal the strike though and if you have a strong case, youtube will resend it to the company that reported the video and if they dont reply with in 10-14 business days YT must lift the strike.
How ever thats assuming youtube sees your paperwork as worthy of re-sending in the first place
edit:
Heres some nifty info in case anything happens
http://fairusetube.org/guide-to-youtube-removals/4-disputing-copyright-notifications
Kermitu Kleric Katie
KULT OF KERMITU
First of all, fuck copyright laws
Second of all, They're apparently making new Ultimanias, so translation work on those could keep TLS busy.
Second of all, They're apparently making new Ultimanias, so translation work on those could keep TLS busy.
Lex
Administrator
They might not be "new" ultimanias, it's probably just like a "greatest hits" compilation of good bits from each one. It's be cool if there was new info in them though.
Furthermore, pretty much everyone on TLS that is capable of translating has a pile of backlog to get through IIRC.
Furthermore, pretty much everyone on TLS that is capable of translating has a pile of backlog to get through IIRC.
The Twilight Mexican
Ex-SeeD-ingly good
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- TresDias
^True that.
Anywho, I don't really know what to do with this idea, but since FFVII is a game whose story involves an imminent, planet-ending disaster that people know is coming, I was thinking it might be fun if we could do some kind of series through December related to it since December 25, 2012 is supposedly the end of the world (keep paying your bills in the meantime, people).
Maybe call it "Countdown to Doomsday" or "Waiting For the World to End." I don't know. It sounded like fun in my head, but I have no concrete ideas.
Anywho, I don't really know what to do with this idea, but since FFVII is a game whose story involves an imminent, planet-ending disaster that people know is coming, I was thinking it might be fun if we could do some kind of series through December related to it since December 25, 2012 is supposedly the end of the world (keep paying your bills in the meantime, people).
Maybe call it "Countdown to Doomsday" or "Waiting For the World to End." I don't know. It sounded like fun in my head, but I have no concrete ideas.