Official Complaint Thread

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Cookie Monster

NOM NOM NOM
Alright, seeing that we're considering adding more staff members / removing a few, I think it's about time the members have their say in certain matters.

Please use this thread to post any complaints you may have regarding the website/forum/Staff. BE CIVIL If I see any offensive posts in here, they will be deleted outright, and this goes for Staff as well. If anything, Staff should just stay out of this thread entirely. I expect all Admins and Mods to take what's posted here to heart and consider the points made as we move forward in restructuring Staff in the near future.

:hugemonster:
 

Username

Banned
Do not make the same old same old former staff...crappy staff again in TLS.

Don't try and Make this site all about FF.

Sort out the error.
 

sheens

Pro Adventurer
AKA
Sheens, Mooglet
I would like to make a post regarding MOG. I mean, the guy, I don't know him personally, and this IS NOT A FLAME POST, AT ALL. But, he needs to stop closing threads where people might like to discuss things regarding staff IN THE FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTIONS forum. Isn't that what it's for?

So people don't like him, big deal. He needs to understand that and not close the threads because people post opinions on him that he doesn't like. I mean, I work in customer services, and I'm a complete bitch to my customers if they give me rubbish. But I do not ban them from the store, or ignore them when they have a problem with me, I actually listen to them.

I'm posting this because Mumble made a thread and it was instantly closed after MOG posted. That's not a mod, that's someone who doesn't do their job properly on a forum.
 

Joker

We have come to terms
AKA
Godot
Database error IS annoying (got one as I tried to post this the first time <<)

Working on thought on staff, will post when done. Prepare for much tl;dr.
 

Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
AKA
Mog
Don't try and Make this site all about FF.

May I chip in?

I don't want to see the site cater just to FF and ignore everything else. I don't want to see that happen and I'll fight to make the community enjoyable for everyone. But at the same time, this site is about Final Fantasy. We put our time, effort, and for some of us, money to make this site one of the best FF places around.
 

Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
AKA
Mog
I would like to make a post regarding MOG. I mean, the guy, I don't know him personally, and this IS NOT A FLAME POST, AT ALL. But, he needs to stop closing threads where people might like to discuss things regarding staff IN THE FEEDBACK AND SUGGESTIONS forum. Isn't that what it's for?

I close topics that are either innappropiate, spammy, or don't seem to be promoting worthy discussion.

http://thelifestream.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3223

I mean seriously what real worth does this topic have?

I don't think I've ever closed a topic just because I don't like someone. As you all should be able to tell right now, I don't really give a shit who likes or dislikes me. I'm not trying to present myself as a TOUGH GUY or anything, I love to make friends, chat, and discuss things with all of you and I like a lot of you here, but I'm not out to win any popularity contests.
 

sheens

Pro Adventurer
AKA
Sheens, Mooglet
Just by what you do, it comes across as that way. People are going to complain in many shapes and forms that's all. Like I said, I don't know you, and didn't mean any offense by what I posted.

And I didn't say because you didn't like someone, but because you couldn't be bothered with the thread. At least some interaction or some reason as to why you are closing the thread would be considerate, instead of 'this thread is dumb.'

That's all. I've had my time with internet drama, and would rather not anymore. :monster:

And you're staff, Road said NO STAFF. :P
 

Celes Chere

Banned
AKA
Noctis
crappy staff again in TLS.

Okay, come on guys... it's not that bad. I think some of you are really exaggerating here. Sure, the staff has flaws but who doesn't? The only complaint I really have is that I feel certain members here deserve a place in staff for their constant contributions and wanting to help/make a difference. But seriously, how do some of you go about getting the attention of the Staff? By posting snarky and cynical threads (funny as they are)? Is everyone here just addicted to drama or something? At least the Staff here isn't as bad as ACF or the FinalFantasyForums. I think TLS is a really nice place to be in comparison.

What's with all the hate on Moggy anyway? If you have your personal conflicts, don't post with that hateful bias about how he is as a staff member. :loopy:

Don't try and Make this site all about FF.

I think it's very, very interesting that people would complain about too much FF on an FF Forum. What were you expecting?
 

Dashell

SMILE!
AKA
Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
I'm starting to think Mog shouldn't be a mod just to keep the peace here... I dunno what everyone's problem is with him but... I think at this point it seems like common sense.

And I totally volunteer to be a moderator if need be. In fact I'd really kinda like that :monster:
But if not, that's fine too, just throwing it out there.
 

Alex

alex is dead
AKA
Alex, Ashes, Pennywise, Bill Weasley, Jack's Smirking Revenge, Sterling Archer
Is everyone here just addicted to drama or something?
Oh for fucks sake.

Just because everybody it's all smiles and sunshine with each other doesn't mean it's fucking drama.

I swear to god, nothing gets on my tits more than retards who think that everybody has to get along all the time or DRAMAMAMAAMAMAAAA!!!!111112
 

Celes Chere

Banned
AKA
Noctis
Um... please don't kill me. :c I never meant to suggest that.

I never meant that everyone has to get along. It'd be nice but that's never going to happen. =w=

You don't think dedicating a thread to someone and how much you dislike them isn't going to start drama? My bad... that was my impression.
 

Tifaeria

Hello again! 8D
AKA
Roxy Lalonde, Black Canary, Princess Vampira, Ah-Choo, Cutie-Aoide
I have to say that with all this bitching going about, I have seen some efforts of improvement over the last few weeks. For example, I appreciate how MOG checks himself now and while it's not HUGE, there is at least effort. Kudos to that man. Another thing is how the staff tries to make an effort to get this place active and hear us talk about how it can improve (like the useless chat box, how even if the staff said how it wouldn't change a thing, they did it anyway.)

Can't think up a complaint atm, but when I do I will post it here. Right now I'm busy doing something else.

And I still stand by my recommendations of having CK, Alex, and Dacon on staff. :monster:
 

Emma

The Minish Elf
As a sorta new member, I probably shouldn't be posting in here, but I get the data base error too, and if it helps, I'm using FireFox. :C
 

Joker

We have come to terms
AKA
Godot
As we all know, there are some people that don't have any problem with staff, or the way things are run. Whether it's that they don't care at all, think they're doing a good job, whatever - there are some people that don't really have anything to say negatively.

On the other hand, there have been, over the past few months, several people with dissenting opinions, and who do have issues with the staff and take exception to several things. Excerpts from MSN conversations from today, names kept confidential, and only edited to keep related statements together and in a more sentence-like form:


"Basically, they're too insular. they frequently engage in groupthink and don't listen to dissenting opinions. They've already decided on how they're going to run the forum and nothing much is going to change their opinion on how to do so even when it's apparent to those outside the group that certain approaches to running the board aren't working."

"And some seem just generally irresponsible. Or not very, ah...how do you say...well, more or less don't pay attention to what's going on, I suppose. See incident with Holly of last week"

"Yeah there are really only a few staff members who even ever bother to go outside the FF forums."

"Why hasn't this been brought up before? Because it wouldn't do any good. And they'll close the thread. You've seen how they've reacted to previous complaints."

"Simply put...would they even listen? The answer is no =/ They'd call it a personal attack."

"It takes a ton of debate to even get the smallest suggestion implemented - see the shoutbox fiasco."

"Also it often seems as though everyone just does whatever Mako says. The shoutbox thread doesn't make that seem any less likely."

"Staff just need to balance priorities such as members needs and actually doing their job in both FF and Non-FF related stuff."


"Tetsujin never does anything, for starters."

"About all that I've ever seen Tet do is agree with Yop or Mako when they say something about getting on topic or stop flaming, etc"

"Nor does he heed any requests by members AT ALL."



"Schala-Kitty hasn't even logged in since the vB upgrade."



"Ryu, well...Ryu actually incites a lot of the shit that happens, by virtue of his very nature. Once people start arguing, he's more condescending than even MOG. It may be unintentional, but there's no way someone who cultivates this big intellectual image of himself doesn't know how he's coming across."

"Yeah that whole thing with Bahamut Zero was largely his fault. Granted, that cunt brought a lot of it on himself by overreacting ridiculously, but Ryu was the first one to flame."



"MOG is just whining and then warns people who displeases him. And MOG doesn't care or actually do anything. Useful that is."

"I can honestly say that Moogle is active, just doesn't SEEM to do much. He's visible, whereas outside of FF, you never see Ryu or Tet."

"He's visible, but that's actually a bad thing for staff, since he's not very tactful."

"Example - Moogle and that whole shitfit a bit earlier. Getting past all the general butthurt, I'd like to point out that that issue that was brought up was never really addressed. He never even apologized for being a dick, or admitted that he had done anything wrong. Or, more to the point, that he COULD have offended someone."

"A ton of people called out his conduct on multiple occasions, yet he still hasn't gotten removed despite repeated and frequent complaints that he is unsuited for the position, even though the rules make that blatantly obvious. "

"I don't really care whether he gets removed from staff or not. It's just the principle of double standards that are blatantly enacted in favour of current staff. And that pretty much kills any interest I have in contributing to that place, especially when added to the damn insularity of staff."


Omega thoughts on Mr. Mog in particular -> That entire ridiculous thread (and let's be honest, it was ridiculous on all sides), he never ONCE addressed me, except on some weak point. The entire time, what did he do? Bitched at Aaron. I wasn't even attacking the guy (which, hate to say, Jew, is what you were doing =/). I seriously and pointedly said that all I wanted was a simple apology - not even a superserious one, just 'sorry, took it too far'. And he refused to even admit that he did take it too far. Just a point of principle - I can get around his general demeanor of dickishness most of the time (often enough it's rather amusing), beating people over the head with his opinion until he kills the thread (I had one in mind here but can't remember which...not the sex thread, something else). But if there's one thing that infuriates me more than anything, it's when I have a legitimate point or contention and it's not addressed or even noticed. (this has also happened a few times with Mako, but to a much lesser extent)

I've got nothing on Yop, or Road, either (maybe that Road isn't around enough due to omg having a life, and that he needs to get his ass on MSN more =/). Or even with Mako (barring the above). I will say that it would be nice to see some fresh blood in the staff, but don't really have anyone in particular that I'm just dying to see in the job (well, other than that Dacon was an excellent mod, but I don't think he's interested, anyway).


"Basically, when you have rules the staff themselves clearly don't understand, the rules are too god damn complicated and/or the people enforcing it are incompetent."

"The whole rule system is too damn complicated and they never enforce them consistently. I'd say throw the whole thing away and replace it with 'Are user's posting habits disruptive to the flow of the community? If so then b&'."

"Basically staff don't do a very good job of setting an example. The rules they enforce on others aren't even close to uniformly enforced."

There was a bit about being on the fence as to how FF-related they wanted things vs. general community aspect, but I can't find it for the life of me.


I will say here, though, that in the past, nothing's been said or done about this to nip it in the bud. That's on us (myself included). I'm getting a bit tired and rather hungry, so I'm going to leave this as is for the moment, and post anything else that comes to mind later.
 

Dashell

SMILE!
AKA
Sonique, Quexinos, Pinkie Pie, Derpy Hooves
The database errors only last for like a couple seconds these days though. Before they'd last for like minutes or even hours at a time... not that that helps much.
 

Alex

alex is dead
AKA
Alex, Ashes, Pennywise, Bill Weasley, Jack's Smirking Revenge, Sterling Archer
WELCOME TO THE FORUMS!

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Joker

We have come to terms
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Godot
Addendum - it's been brought to my attention that some wires got crossed. The actual username is Neo Bahamut, and he was the one who went after Dacon. The correct user was DLPB, in reference to things going down with Ryu and staff.

Although Neo Bahamut wasn't a big fan, either :monster:


Also, quick note - I usually don't see Force Stealer or X-Soldier about =/
 

Cat Rage Room

Great Old One
AKA
Mog
Here's my list of complaints, and I know Cookie said NO STAFF, but fuck it, I'm a member too, hell, I'm a member before I'm even a Staff member. So here it is.

-Some of you need to stop whining. Not all of you, or most of you, but in general. Just because you want something and the Staff decide against it, or even one Staff member says no, or even if someone doesn't think it's a good idea, it is not fascism, nazism, a totalitarian rule, or 'so unfair'. I'm not saying take shit lying down constantly, but there is such a thing as letting things slide. Believe it or not, I do it around here all the time.

-The Staff needs to get off their asses. Including me in some aspects, but let's be fair, if you guys were able to see the Staff forum, there are only a few of us (including myself) that actually push for anything. And if we were to count, there are way too many ideas that the Staff never even picked up, or died along the way, or even acknowledged. I tried to be nice about it before, but I'll be straight up, currently, especially with the site in a minor crisis, it seems some of our current Staff members are too lazy to be on Staff. This is fixable, I am not suggesting removing anyone. Unless certain Staff members continue to be lazy bums.

-Lay off me. I don't like defending myself too much because I don't like to cause drama, but seriously, cut it out. If you want to say I'm a dick, fine, but if you want to say I don't do anything, then you're out of your mind. In the Staff forum alone, I have pushed for many ideas such as getting the Ultimania's translated, a Gameplay help forum, cleaning up some of the clutter by moving some forums, getting more FF experts on board, and all that. So don't say I don't do anything.

-Lay off me, part two. I honestly think some of you rail against me just because I'm me. It's starting to become some sort of a meme or something that I'm a horrible Staff member that doesn't do anything that hands out infractions left or right. This is incorrect. Some of you need to step back and reevaluate your opinion of me carefully. You guys forget, I'm a living, breathing person with feelings too, and you guys constantly dicking me is infuriating, and honestly, a bit hurtful. Like I said before, I try for you guys, and yet I get dicked, a lot.

-The Staff needs to stop relying on these quick fixes like Shoutboxes, spam-esque forums, and all that and instead start doing things that actually require the Staff to put their heads together and think. Anyone can program a silly little addition in. But it takes actual work and teamwork to get together and actually get something done. Interesting ideas, contests, campaigns, promotions, etc. That takes time, effort, and dedication, and so far we've mostly put on the table as a whole are quick fixes.

-The members need to look at themselves instead of constantly passing the buck to Staff. It is up to the members to make a community. Not Staff, not Admin, not even the owner. To repeat, it doesn't take a Staff member to think up an interesting topic. It doesn't take a Staff member to partake in said interesting topic. It doesn't take Staff to form friendships and community involvement. It doesn't take Staff to band together and do fun things. It doesn't take Staff to invite people to a community. It doesn't take Staff to collectively make a community appealing for more people to join. Instead of wasting time amusing ourselves with circle jerking not really funny spammy threads, posts, and inside jokes, why not get together, with or without Staff, and do something grand and intelligent?

-Some of you need to lay off the LTD thread and spread some of the activity in other places. It ain't that interesting.
 

Emma

The Minish Elf
@ Marcus: Was that to me? If so, thank you kindly :)
(Also, I really like you avatar. Gears of War rocks! :> )

For me, the Data base error only occurs when I click the "forums" button or my profile button and sometimes, when I click "home". It usually lasts about a second or so, and then I would reload the page and everything would be okay. A friend of mine owns a vB and its been happening to his forum. He said it could be vB itself. :(
 

Celes Chere

Banned
AKA
Noctis
"Basically, when you have rules the staff themselves clearly don't understand, the rules are too god damn complicated and/or the people enforcing it are incompetent.

Ah, I agree with this a lot. The Staff members rarely follow their own rules. That has always irked me a bit.
 
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