Sephiroth: What the fuck happened?

[megas_sephiroth]

I'm not quite sure if his body was destroyed entirely, but he doesn't seem to have any legs when we first see him inside the crater...

 

[LoLskilled87]

Sephiroth seemed like a douche even when he was a good guy lol. He probably said "Fuk it" when he realized he wasn't legit.

 

[BWAngel]

I'm not quite sure if his body was destroyed entirely, but he doesn't seem to have any legs when we first see him inside the crater...

I noticed that as well, and I read somewhere (whether it was official or not I don't know) that by the time he reached Northern Crater and became crystallized, he only managed to reconstruct his upper torso. But, I will say again, whether this is legit or not, I have no idea.

 

[Gale]

^Maybe I'm not understanding you fully, but how could you even come to that conclusion? Remember at the Mt. Nibel reactor, over the mako bridge? Seph stabs Cloud, Cloud lifts up Seph, and tosses him off the bridge into the mako below?

Lifestream Black is written after the events of FF7, not after the events of Nibelheim. That is all I'm saying.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

But if Sephiroth were 30, he could be as old as 7 when Gast left, correct?

Well, 6. Hojo said he had been searching for Gast for 2 years before Aerith's birth. 30 - 22 + 2 = 6 ... If he's 30. He could just as easily be 31. =P

Then he could absolutely recall conversations with Gast, if a little foggily.

Yes, precisely. But not if he was two, which lies on the other end of the spectrum of possibility.

So lets go with that then I was never quite sure about Genesis being the same age as Sephiroth anyway, considering he idolized him before join the military. Just how fast does one rise the ranks in Shinra anyway?

Canon says Genesis and Sephiroth are "around the same age as each other" with Genesis being a bit older than Seph. Logic would further assume that Seph is about a year or so younger than Genesis when you consider that the proclamation of Genesis's failure as an experiment is what prompted Sephiroth's conception. Genesis was deemed a failure after birth, so the variable there is how long after birth they decided it was a failure and how quickly Sephiroth was conceived after that.

 

[Auron]

Lifestream Black is written after the events of FF7, not after the events of Nibelheim. That is all I'm saying.

lol, well that makes sense. When you said the Mako Reactor, I just naturally assumed you were talking about the Nibelheim incident. Sorry about that.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

lol, well that makes sense. When you said the Mako Reactor, I just naturally assumed you were talking about the Nibelheim incident. Sorry about that.

He was. Read what he said again. Your response to it doesn't really follow so I'm guessing you misunderstood, because his statement made perfect sense and yours...doesn't.

Sephiroth was thrown in the Mako Reactor at Nibelheim. His body was destroyed but his memories intact. He regenerated at the Northern Crater for 5 years. Then the FF7 crew kills him again. Then he relinquished his human memories in CoL:B.

 

[BWAngel]

He was. Read what he said again. Your response to it doesn't really follow so I'm guessing you misunderstood, because his statement made perfect sense and yours...doesn't.

Sephiroth was thrown in the Mako Reactor at Nibelheim. His body was destroyed but his memories intact. He regenerated at the Northern Crater for 5 years. Then the FF7 crew kills him again. Then he relinquished his human memories in CoL:B.

Okay, that makes more sense then.

 

[Auron]

He was. Read what he said again. Your response to it doesn't really follow so I'm guessing you misunderstood, because his statement made perfect sense and yours...doesn't.

Sephiroth was thrown in the Mako Reactor at Nibelheim. His body was destroyed but his memories intact. He regenerated at the Northern Crater for 5 years. Then the FF7 crew kills him again. Then he relinquished his human memories in CoL:B.

Evidentally it's all one big misunderstanding... But when Gale said in regards to Sephiroth:

not once he was thrown into the Mako reactor by Cloud.

...It threw me for a loop. Cloud threw Sephiroth into the reactor, so I wasn't understanding his point in saying that.

 

[Makoeyes987]

http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/523/sephiroth-character-profile-p76-81/

Trivia 1

Sephiroth all over the place.

In “FFVII” wherever Cloud and company go there is Sephiroth, but as a matter of fact it’s not Sephiroth’s real body. The headless Jenova stored in the ShinRa Building, is the one who manifests in Sephiroth’s form.

As for Sephiroth’s true self, when he fell inside the Nibel Mako Reactor it dissolved in the Lifestream, but over the course of five years his body reconstructed itself in the Northern Crater where the Lifestream concentrates as he bided his time for his revival. Before long, he was able to call Cloud, the Copies, and Jenova’s body together to unify in the Reunion, and use them to obtain the black materia to summon Meteor. After that, it was the complete body that Cloud and company would fight against.

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· FFVII/BC/CC/LO - Nibelheim
Burnt down the village and made his way to the Nibel Mako Reactor. Took the head of his “mother” Jenova but was fatally wounded by Cloud and falls into the Mako Reactor, and for a time was dead.

· Northern Crater
He absorbed knowledge from the Lifestream, and with the power of the head of Jenova and his own will, begins to create a new body.

After plunging himself into the Lifestream flowing from a mako reactor just outside of Nibelheim, Sephiroth's body was diffused into the flow, but it drifted to the Northern Cave an reunited there due to his strong will.

I think that's sufficient, don't you?

 

[Shadow Rogue]

Well, we all know what happened. It's the why and how that's the interesting part.

With Crisis Core, we saw a side to Sephiroth that has never been shown before in FFVII. Sephiroth as not only a human being, but a rather nice and warm hearted one towards his friends. We see him smile, laugh, joke and even get anecdotal evidence of the types of games and stuff he'd do with his friends.

Sephiroth is shown to value his interpersonal relationships (few as they may seem) and even specifically requests Zack to go along with him to Nibelheim because he sees him as a friend and worthy comrade.

But all of that amounted to shit when he finally loses his mind, knowing the truth about his birth. He changes. The once hero and friend to Zack not only murders and burns down the village, but tries to kill his friend. And even smiles wickedly while doing so.

Do you think it was his true nature, this violent, cruel streak? Or do you think it was something that was created when he lost his mind? And do you think he'd still be the good, heroic person he was known for, had he never discovered the truth behind his birth?

I believe I have something to comment on this. Sephiroth, this great accomplished man had contributed all to his own prowess. Atleast being the ultimate killing machine and tactical genius, it was of his own design, or so he thought. Therefore he was able to accept very human ways such as having friends, enjoying himself. Who knows about love affairs? These were very precious to him, because no one, not even sephiroth himself, can deny the inhuman aura he gave off. Upon learning of his creation, all that changed. Perhaps he didn't feel entitled to living the same human life, the one that ShinRa gave him. He might even have felt disillusioned by it. Paranoia and suspicion could have set in and Sephiroth may have believed everything about his life was a lie, even his closest friends, as they were owned by ShinRa too. Learning that he was a monster, he felt the only way to both live with his nature and take control of his fate once more was to reject human behavior, and become as vicious as any monster can be. This is what the 'mother' thing is about. Not neccesarily a descendant of her, but the only link to who he felt had given him all that made him great.

Honestly, I believe I know how Sephiroth felt. I struggle with illusions, created by myself, or social lies by others, as well as trust and my place in this world. I have never been accepted or part of a group really. There were always special circumstances. So you could call the internet my escape from one illusion, to the next. But atleast here, they are easier to percieve, and maybe to niavely believe.

But enough introspection. Sephiroth became the ruthless killer he was because he believed it was who he truely was. No one can tell you who you truely are, sometimes you don't even know it yourself. But to believe in it often times can make it true. Ironically, the example here would be Cloud.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Hopefully Sephiroth didn't die a virgin.

 

[Shadow Rogue]

Very possible, I'd say likely. Sephiroth could have resigned himself from the idea of having a lover because of his job, his constant moving, or maybe not trusting. Or he could not have desired at all.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

not once he was thrown into the Mako reactor by Cloud.

...It threw me for a loop. Cloud threw Sephiroth into the reactor, so I wasn't understanding his point in saying that.

...mentioning Sephiroth being thrown into the Mako Reactor by Cloud didn't make sense to you because Sephiroth was thrown into the Mako Reactor by Cloud? Lol, what?

 

[Gale]

I think I just heard a fangirl's screech on the wind. Would love to see someone argue for Sephiroth not being a virgin.

As to your comments Shadow Rogue, I almost read that like someone with a superiority complex trying to mask their loneliness/possible inferiority complex, whereas I never got that impression from Sephiroth. I honestly never pitied him. He had an unfortunate (lack) of childhood and loved ones, but its his own inherent arrogance and disregard for others that allows him to make the selfish choices he makes.

 

[Shadow Rogue]

I think I just heard a fangirl's screech on the wind. Would love to see someone argue for Sephiroth not being a virgin.

As to your comments Shadow Rogue, I almost read that like someone with a superiority complex trying to mask their loneliness/possible inferiority complex, whereas I never got that impression from Sephiroth. I honestly never pitied him. He had an unfortunate (lack) of childhood and loved ones, but its his own inherent arrogance and disregard for others that allows him to make the selfish choices he makes.

A superiority complex... He was a leading general, if I recall correctly. I don't think he unconsciously felt inferior to anything, but it seems a stretch to say you don't see a superiority complex and additionally call him arrogant. But we're just splitting hairs at this point. But to condense my proposition: He felt used as his accomplishments were not because he developed them, but because he was created to fulfill that role, and did so wonderfully. I agree he made quite a selfish choice to instead go on an assumption and seek retaliation in the worst way, and it was his pride that was wounded that lead him into that downward spiral. I am not trying to shift the blame from him, but simply theorize the position he found himself in to go ballistic.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Sephiroth was arrogant as fuck, man.

 

[Shadow Rogue]

Sephiroth was arrogant as fuck, man.

agreed?

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

If Sephiroth wanted sex, Sephiroth got sex. Trust me.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Not necessarily by consent,

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

Not necessarily, but most likely.

If President ShinRa, Hojo, and Don Corneo all managed to get laid with their varying degrees of power, I'm sure that Sephiroth, with good looks, a flawless body, virility, and total smex appeal on top of power, had nooo problem at all.

I'd sooner believe Vincent to be a virgin than Sephiroth. Vincent was at least shy and a relative nobody.

 

[Ⓐaron]

All of them seemed a lot less socially... awkward than Sephiroth though. But I was mostly insinuating that it's not necessarily established that Sephiroth would even care about consent after snapping

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Not necessarily, but most likely.

If President ShinRa, Hojo, and Don Corneo all managed to get laid with their varying degrees of power, I'm sure that Sephiroth, with good looks, a flawless body, virility, and total smex appeal on top of power, had nooo problem at all.

I'd sooner believe Vincent to be a virgin than Sephiroth. Vincent was at least shy and a relative nobody.

Sephiroth could get some at the snap of a finger. Some would argue if he ever wanted to, though.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

But I was mostly insinuating that it's not necessarily established that Sephiroth would even care about consent after snapping

And I grant you that, though I believe his ego would require consent. There was a SephXAeris lemon about that, actually. He started to force her but she was just...resigned. And his ego didn't like that, so he spent the rest of the fic seducing her instead. It was Enantiomerias by Lady Sanzienne. Not that you're going to go looking for it. (We all know you are.)

Sephiroth could get some at the snap of a finger. Some would argue if he ever wanted to, though.

And that's why I said if Sephiroth wanted sex, he got sex.

...Boy we've come a long way in this thread.

 

[Ⓐaron]

good call about his ego, I hadn't thought of that