Sony/Anonymous Nonsense & the PSN Outage ... also GeoHotz

Gym Leader Devil

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No I saw it too. It was here. And now its not. Also, if you found a gun just laying around and shot someone with it, that's mostly on you with a side of guilt for the person who stupidly left a gun there imo.
 

ForceStealer

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It also should be mentioned that Sony DIDN'T in fact "legally assrape" him. It settled out of court pretty rapidly with just a stipulation that he quits hacking Sony's shit.
 

Ryushikaze

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Quex, Black Mage, lay off crack. There was obviously no post by tetsujin stating, and I quote

tetsujin said:
Quex said:
I see what you're saying (to X-Soldier), but to me it's like gun control; a company produces firearms, that doesn't make them responsible for murders.
It does if they'd give them away for free like candy.

Seriously. It's unhealthy.
Especially for Audrey.

Also, whoever left the gun in the street would also be responsible.
But mostly you, you murderer.
 
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Dashell

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Quex, Black Mage, lay off crack. There was obviously no post by tetsujin stating, and I quote
Why don't you come over here and make me? :awesome:

It also should be mentioned that Sony DIDN'T in fact "legally assrape" him. It settled out of court pretty rapidly with just a stipulation that he quits hacking Sony's shit.
I thought he owed them $250,000

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The documents outlining the settlement have surfaced online and these documents describe how, by the consent of both parties, the court “ordered and adjudged” that Hotz is “Permanently enjoined and restrained from” a variety of activities. These include “engaging in any unauthorized access to any Sony product under the law” and violating any SCEA license agreement or terms of use agreement “whether or not Hotz has accepted such agreement or terms of use.”

Read more: http://segmentnext.com/2011/04/12/sonyhotz-settlement-details/#ixzz1KrDEn56h

Should Hotz violate the injunction, he will have to pay $10,000 per violation, with a penalty cap of $250,000.

OOOOOOOHHHHHH
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well shit I got no problem with Sony then :monster:
... I mean I still think it was BS to take him to court and sue him, but it isn't quite as bad as I thought.


(See what happens when I post in other places besides the LTD thread? :awesome:)
 
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BIG WORDS AT THE TOP TO MAKE SURE NO ONE ELSE MISSES THIS POST!!!

Heads up for a bit of tl;dr from me. Really worth the read, but I broke it into 2 parts to help out make it less of a text wall.


The whole thing about OtherOS being removed centers around security updates for PS3, and it even said that in the v3.21 update information which I'll detail below.

PlayStation v3.21 Update Information said:
The next system software update for the PlayStation 3 (PS3) system will be released on April 1, 2010 (JST), and will disable the “Install Other OS” feature that was available on the PS3 systems prior to the current slimmer models, launched in September 2009. This feature enabled users to install an operating system, but due to security concerns, Sony Computer Entertainment will remove the functionality through the 3.21 system software update.

In addition, disabling the “Other OS” feature will help ensure that PS3 owners will continue to have access to the broad range of gaming and entertainment content from SCE and its content partners on a more secure system.

Consumers and organizations that currently use the “Other OS” feature can choose not to upgrade their PS3 systems, although the following features will no longer be available;

•Ability to sign in to PlayStation Network and use network features that require signing in to PlayStation Network, such as online features of PS3 games and chat
•Playback of PS3 software titles or Blu-ray Disc videos that require PS3 system software version 3.21 or later
•Playback of copyright-protected videos that are stored on a media server (when DTCP-IP is enabled under Settings)
•Use of new features and improvements that are available on PS3 system software 3.21 or later


Essentially, it's been said that GeoHotz was trying to get back a feature that Sony has outright said they're removing for security concerns. That in and of itself is good reason for a company to get nervous about people finding a way to impliment it, because it could potentially threaten the services that they're providing to their customers. I think that proof enough is that OtherOS was one of the things that was used by him to hack the PS3.

Now, if for whatever reason, he felt that he "needed" to still be able to use Linux, he should have done so through a custom firmware, because you could make a custom firmware that gives you access to OtherOS and other things like PS2 backwards compatibility, and has things in place to prevent using it for piracy. Like with all custom firmware, Sony would still have the rights to boot your console off PSN, just like Xbox does for modded systems, since it's in voilation of the EULA, but you can't get in (much) trouble for just making a custom firmware version, similiarly to jailbreaking an iPhone (which he's famous for). If you're not using it illicitly, but you're still subject to whatever information they put in the EULA that you chose to violate by doing so, and they have full rights to do that. I would have been fine if he chose to go about that route, but he didn't. He basically opened it up to anything, and basically said, Have at it anyone. It's not my fault what you do with it.

Cutting back to fact, and away from analogy, this article on Joystiq has a good bit on specifically what he did.

GeoHotz released the PS3's METLDR root key to the public, which allows access to the PS3's loaders, and reportedly could be used to allow any unsigned code to be run on the system. "This is the coveted PS3 exploit," Hotz writes on his blog, linking to the exploit while noting that it "gives full memory access and therefore ring 0 access from OtherOS. I have read/write access to the entire system memory, and HV level access to the processor. In other words, I have hacked the PS3."

But here's what really bugs me about him.

He said his motivation was "curiosity" and "opening up the platform." "To tell you the truth, I've never really played a PS3," he said. "I have one game, but I've never really played it." He admitted that it could also allow people to run pirated games. "I'm not going to personally have anything to do with that," he told BBC News.

He doesn't have ANY REASON to complain about not being able to use OtherOS on a PS3, because he doesn't use it for it's primarily intended purpose. Aside from MAYBE BluRay capabilities, basically nothing he 'uses' his PS3 for was affected by the update AT ALL. For all that matters, he could just sit on an outdated firmware version. Plus, he made something available that he acknowledged would lead to piracy, and didn't care, because it doesn't directly affect him, since he doesn't use it as a gaming device. He can cry "opening up the platform" all day, but what it comes down to is that these things end up negatively effecting playing games online, the developers who make the games, and the services that I bought my PlayStation for, so that a bunch of hackers can play with Sony Hardware in the name of "opening up the platform."

Really, he was still in the wrong, and I'm glad Sony stepped up to the plate and took him to court over it. He didn't directly cause Sony monetary damage, and that's likely why they settled by essentially telling him to fuck off, or else. As someone who uses my PS3 as a PS3 quite a bit, I appreciate that sort of action by a company, because just because you bought something doesn't meant that you have the automatic rights to do whatever the fuck you want with it, especially when it's potentially at the expense of people who actually USE it.

Again - speculation, but I wouldn't doubt that his hacks, and the way he chose to release the information lead to what we're currently seeing with the PSN outage over the security breach. The main reason I hope that Sony finds the PSN hacker is that we've seen how seriously they took what Geohotz did, and I'd love to see them get to do the same thing to someone they could make accountable.


Now,


I don't feel that the guns analogy is a good comparison, because you don't get the full aspect of how the software services can be permanently affected by this type of action. If you want to make the analogy, I'd compare it to someone who tinkered around, and made a way to mod paintball guns, so you could make it different colors, make it fire differently, or turn it into a squirt gun/bong, etc.

Now, if that person chose to release a set of mod instructions for various uses, that's cool. I'm sure there are lots of people who would enjoy that, but you could make them identifiable, so that they can't be taken into group games or tournaments, or that ones are ARE are only of a certain variety. I think that'd be awesome, and would probably interest some people in getting a paintball gun that wouldn't have before.

Instead of that, this guy just releas a whole mess of previously impossible ways to mod your guns, and said he wasn't responsible for how people use it, but just thinks it should be out there. So, now when you're playing, it's not his fault if someone amps up the air pressure and firing speed, and just mows everyone down until a ref kicks them out. I can hardly think that you'd disagree that the community was better off before it happened, and would have even been acceptable in the second scenario, but the third scenario is one that has a lot of unpleasant options.

Now from a legal standpoint, should be be responsible for the asshole who shot you 40 times with frozen paintballs? All that's clear is that he's the jerk who allowed that asshole to do so, and could have prevented it, or at least made it a less easily accessible possibility. It's especially annoying if you're someone who really enjoys paintball, and now has to keep an eye out for something that never would have happened before, because these guys can get past the Referees.

Now, just try to tell me you're not a bit pissed off when you find out that the guy responsible just wanted to fuck with a paintball gun to see what he could do with it, and doesn't really even use it to play paintball. Plus, his actions may or may not have been responsible for shutting down all the paintball games for a week, and that someone else might be able to spam you with junk mail, or use your personal information.


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ForceStealer

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I love that too. How people make him out to be a noble crusader because all he wanted to do in life is use Linux on his PS3 and those Sony bastards took it away from him boo hoo hoo. But he only did it because he was %*#&in' bored and to masturbate his ego.
 

Dashell

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I love that too. How people make Sony out to be a noble company for doing away with Linux because it was "not secure" even though they advertised it and many people bought it for that purpose only. They only did it cause they were %*#&in' bored and to masturbate their ego. :awesomonster:
 

Dashell

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Because people are stupid :monster:

If I wanna run Linux, I'll buy a computer, but when the PS3 was initially advertised they said it could be a game console or a personal computer. Some people wanted it as a computer. I'd rather just buy a computer tbh.
 

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I love that too. How people make Sony out to be a noble company for doing away with Linux because it was "not secure" even though they advertised it and many people bought it for that purpose only. They only did it cause they were %*#&in' bored and to masturbate their ego. :awesomonster:
'hi i am quex and i assume things like ps3 no longer has free online play because my bf said so'
 

ForceStealer

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I love that too. How people make Sony out to be a noble company for doing away with Linux because it was "not secure" even though they advertised it and many people bought it for that purpose only. They only did it cause they were %*#&in' bored and to masturbate their ego. :awesomonster:

Yeah that doesn't even apply. Who said anything about Sony getting rid of Linux? In fact, I believe I said that wasn't cool in my first post. The point is this guy had no interest in reenabling Linux.

Nice try though.
 

X-SOLDIER

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I love that too. How people make Sony out to be a noble company for doing away with Linux because it was "not secure" even though they advertised it and many people bought it for that purpose only. They only did it cause they were %*#&in' bored and to masturbate their ego. :awesomonster:

*sigh*

Quex, maybe you should actually read my post, and learn what it is you're talking about, before just making sarcastic and incorrect comments in reply. It's especially annoying when I went through the effort making something that's so incredibly descriptive about the real issue.


Now, let me be clear,

If you already have a PS3 that was running OtherOS, that you purchased it "ONLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF USING IT AS A COMPUTER", (for example, like the AirForce, who built an entire cluster of PS3s into a supercomputer), this didn't affect you, because when it's just acting as a computer, they don't need to connect to PSN, so Sony's updates won't even see them.

In the AirForce's case, yeah, they were slightly disappointed about OtherOS removal, because replacing the units from the cluster is now slightly more difficult, than just buying a PS3, slapping Linux on, and hooking it up. Now they'll have to manually backdate the firmware to something pre v3.21 before installing Linux & hooking them up, but it's still incredibly cost effective.


The only thing that was removed by the v3.21 update was the ability to have a PS3 function as BOTH a computer and a PS3 in parallel, because the OtherOS leaves open security back doors that Sony no longer feels in secure, and could potentially allow someone to gain access to the PSN through a back door.


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X-SOLDIER

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Ha, PS3s as a supercomputer.

Have fun with your YLOD's, Air Force.

Using PS3's for cheap, clustered supercomputing was actually a pretty big deal for a while. Since OtherOS was taken away, it's not as common because you'd have to either find consoles put out before April 1, 2010 when the v3.21 update was released, or find a way to backdate the firmware of a newer unit.

Here's some really recent info on the Air Force's supercomputer "The Condor" for anyone who's interested.


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X-SOLDIER

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Hackers claim to be selling PSN user data.

Awesome.
Fuck these basement-dwelling assholes. Seriously.

I still think there's a chance this is a bluff, but still.

I'll wait to hear something official, but if someone attempts to sell that information, there's a good chance someone will get caught, which might be the break they need in finding these douchecanoes. I'm still rather nervous about the whole thing.


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X-SOLDIER

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It's on now.

The situation surrounding the PSN outage and data breach just got real. How real? The US government is now involved. The "Computer Emergency Readiness Team, "under the Department of Homeland Security, " is working with law enforcement, international partners and Sony to assess the situation," DHS spokesperson Chris Ortman told NextGov.

Did you know we had a Computer Emergency Readiness Team? That team's role is to work with affected companies to improve security and restore service, and share information with other security-related organizations to prevent future breaches.

Another federal agency is also looking into it, with a more punitive mindset. "The FBI is aware of the reports concerning the alleged intrusion into the Sony on line game server and we have been in contact with Sony concerning this matter," FBI Special Agent Darrell Foxworth told Kotaku. "We are presently reviewing the available information in an effort to determine the facts and circumstances concerning this alleged criminal activity."


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Dashell

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'hi i am quex and i assume things like ps3 no longer has free online play because my bf said so'
Sup?

Yeah that doesn't even apply. Who said anything about Sony getting rid of Linux? In fact, I believe I said that wasn't cool in my first post. The point is this guy had no interest in reenabling Linux.
My point: Do you know this for sure? I personally like to believe people are stupid before their assholes but it's just how I am... I mean that's not always the case, obviously a serial killer isn't out there making mistake after mistake but you get my point...

Quex, maybe you should actually read my post, and learn what it is you're talking about, before just making sarcastic and incorrect comments in reply. It's especially annoying when I went through the effort making something that's so incredibly descriptive about the real issue.
In my defense, I somehow missed your post.

@ your analogy, I don't think he is responsible. I think he's a fucking idiot for releasing that information. I don't know the guy and me being me, I'd assume he did something stupid before he did something to be a jerk.

Now, just try to tell me you're not a bit pissed off when you find out that the guy responsible just wanted to fuck with a paintball gun to see what he could do with it, and doesn't really even use it to play paintball. Plus, his actions may or may not have been responsible for shutting down all the paintball games for a week, and that someone else might be able to spam you with junk mail, or use your personal information.
Paintball just got real...

The key is this guy MAY have been responsible for shutting down all the paintball... or online stuff. We don't know yet. I think people are blaming him too soon. For all we know this is one huge coincidence that would have happened regardless of Hotz tinkering. I just like to have all the facts before I say for sure whether or not I'm pissed at someone.

I don't know this guy, I don't know what his intentions are. Maybe he really is a jerk who wanted to take Sony down and had this malicious plan all along. I just know, I have a bf who's a tinkerer, and I can see him doing something like this with no malicious intent whatsoever. So, maybe it's my bias, but that's just how I see it.

@ the government getting involved:


I'm actually glad about this. I really do hope they find these people. And I hope those responsible are shitting themselves right now.
 
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