Sony's Spider-Man: Now a Part of the MCU; And Now Not Again; And Now Is Again
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She's getting a race lift?......
OMG HOW DARE THEY? THEY'RE RUINING THE CHARACTER AND THE COMICS AND THE MOVIE AND THE MCU AND DCEU AND THE NBA WHILE WE'RE AT IT. EVERYTHING IS RUINED!!!!!!
Not sure how to feel about her playing Mary-Jane, the only I've seen her in is an episode of Blackish. Or about her being put with Peter in high school again.
OMG HOW DARE THEY? THEY'RE RUINING THE CHARACTER AND THE COMICS AND THE MOVIE AND THE MCU AND DCEU AND THE NBA WHILE WE'RE AT IT. EVERYTHING IS RUINED!!!!!!
Not sure how to feel about her playing Mary-Jane, the only I've seen her in is an episode of Blackish. Or about her being put with Peter in high school again.
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Let epic internet comic fan boy/girl meltdown commence!
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Did you just wish a race lift on Liz Allan instead?? And a downgrade at that?!
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I was being facetious. 
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Whoa hold the presses, this is huge!
Silk a possibility?????
I still hate how she was shoehorned into Peter's origin story but her solo stuff is good.
I still hate how she was shoehorned into Peter's origin story but her solo stuff is good.
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Just saw that myself. Not sure what to think since I'm not really a fan of that character (I haven't read her solo stuff, so maybe that redeems her introduction somehow).
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Positive Twitter reactions to Zendaya being MJ
The fact that we haven't heard any official statements to the contrary makes me think this is true. Plus she looks great with red hair, provided they give her red hair later. Who knows?
James Gunn says haters gonna hate stfu. But he also says he doesn't actually know anything.
The fact that we haven't heard any official statements to the contrary makes me think this is true. Plus she looks great with red hair, provided they give her red hair later. Who knows?
James Gunn says haters gonna hate stfu. But he also says he doesn't actually know anything.
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I don't have any problem with this casting. Her performance in the movie itself will decide that for me.
I do want her to have MJ's iconic red hair, though, even if it's just that this version of the character dyes it. Which, if that's the case, would be fine.
I do want her to have MJ's iconic red hair, though, even if it's just that this version of the character dyes it. Which, if that's the case, would be fine.
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Yummy.
Also, I liked Kirsten Dunst, but I agree with your point.
Also, I liked Kirsten Dunst, but I agree with your point.
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I liked Kirsten Dunst as well, but I'm just saying, whenever I see fanboys/girls throwing around the comic book accuracy card I just roll my eyes because it seems incredibly hypocritical to me.
Comic book MJ is, IMHO, closer to this pic than anything Kirsten Dunst ever gave us.
Not to mention these haters don't seem to give a shit that Marisa Tomei's Aunt May is nowhere fucking near being comic book accurate, but that's okay because she's hot now I guess...
But you get my point.
Comic book MJ is, IMHO, closer to this pic than anything Kirsten Dunst ever gave us.
Not to mention these haters don't seem to give a shit that Marisa Tomei's Aunt May is nowhere fucking near being comic book accurate, but that's okay because she's hot now I guess...
But you get my point.
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Not to mention these haters don't seem to give a shit that Marisa Tomei's Aunt May is nowhere fucking near being comic book accurate, but that's okay because she's hot now I guess...
But you get my point.
"Aunt May used to be young and not gross! Zendaya was never not Black!"
Am I doing it right?
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Very nice 
Also remember:
"Shailene Woodley isn't hot enough for MJ despite the fact that she's gorgeous af she shouldn't have been cast COMIC BOOK ACCURACY!!!1111"
or
"Andrew Garfield is too attractive to be Peter Parker COMIC BOOK ACCURACY even though I only say this because of my own personal insecurities."
But then
"Oh, the new Aunt May is different than in the comics? Oh but I can fap to her now so it's all good screw comic book accuracy."
Yeah no they all just want to be pandered to, that's all it is. No one actually gives a shit about accuracy.
Also remember:
"Shailene Woodley isn't hot enough for MJ despite the fact that she's gorgeous af she shouldn't have been cast COMIC BOOK ACCURACY!!!1111"
or
"Andrew Garfield is too attractive to be Peter Parker COMIC BOOK ACCURACY even though I only say this because of my own personal insecurities."
But then
"Oh, the new Aunt May is different than in the comics? Oh but I can fap to her now so it's all good screw comic book accuracy."
Yeah no they all just want to be pandered to, that's all it is. No one actually gives a shit about accuracy.
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Honestly, I go back and forth a lot on these "controversies." I do think for a great many of the most incensed it really is a(n unrealized) matter of taking issue with not being pandered to. These folks typically don't think of pandering as something that can be done toward themselves in the first place (which is a whole other topic in itself).
At its most basic, though, these complaints about accuracy are taking a fundamentally okay point too far, I think. There probably are times that race needs to be preserved -- T'Challa/the Black Panther or Luke Cage are good examples for what I hope are obvious reasons. Even looking at White characters, though, maybe Steve Rogers. That the ultimate soldier sent to take on Hitler's war machine was a blond, blue-eyed man has value.
Now, could there be value in having Steve be Jewish or Black (or homosexual or disabled for that matter)? Yeah, probably. I'd even say there's probably more value in going one of those angles than keeping everything about him the same but making his hair red or dark brown. For myself, though, when I think of what's iconic about him on and what resonates thematically, you've got to pull from the whole "perfect Aryan man" thing.
When it comes to MJ, what I think of as iconic with her isn't her race or skin color; it's her hair color. And yeah, it would be stupid of them not to keep that accurate, but keeping her race comic accurate isn't even necessary to maintain the plausibility of a Black MJ having red hair since there are Black people with red hair. Especially if they're of mixed ancestry like Zendaya -- whose White half is of Irish descent, for that matter.
Long story short, there are considerations worth making (don't cast MJ as, I don't know, a 57-year-old Mexican dude), but there are way too many hills that aren't worth dying on. This is one of those.
At its most basic, though, these complaints about accuracy are taking a fundamentally okay point too far, I think. There probably are times that race needs to be preserved -- T'Challa/the Black Panther or Luke Cage are good examples for what I hope are obvious reasons. Even looking at White characters, though, maybe Steve Rogers. That the ultimate soldier sent to take on Hitler's war machine was a blond, blue-eyed man has value.
Now, could there be value in having Steve be Jewish or Black (or homosexual or disabled for that matter)? Yeah, probably. I'd even say there's probably more value in going one of those angles than keeping everything about him the same but making his hair red or dark brown. For myself, though, when I think of what's iconic about him on and what resonates thematically, you've got to pull from the whole "perfect Aryan man" thing.
When it comes to MJ, what I think of as iconic with her isn't her race or skin color; it's her hair color. And yeah, it would be stupid of them not to keep that accurate, but keeping her race comic accurate isn't even necessary to maintain the plausibility of a Black MJ having red hair since there are Black people with red hair. Especially if they're of mixed ancestry like Zendaya -- whose White half is of Irish descent, for that matter.
Long story short, there are considerations worth making (don't cast MJ as, I don't know, a 57-year-old Mexican dude), but there are way too many hills that aren't worth dying on. This is one of those.
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