Star Trek Into Darkness... and beyond

[Interslicery]

It's Spock! Do you care?

The last guy is the fan all actors hope to run into.

 

[Ⓐaron]

One thought, the original Uhura was way hotter back in her day. The new one is however a much better actress. Trade offs that need to be made I guess.

Zoë Saldana is plenty hot if you ask me. Though I guess it's debatable whether she's hotter than Nichelle Nichols.

 

[Abortedj]

Zoë Saldana is plenty hot if you ask me. Though I guess it's debatable whether she's hotter than Nichelle Nichols.

It is a matter of personal taste. I would agree that Zoe is a very attractive woman, and I certainly wouldn't turn down a few hours with her. I do however think she is a bit too thin, needs a few more curves.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Something else that I haven't really seen many people comment on yet, and that deserves a mention, is the amazing soundtrack this movie had.

I'm gonna go out and say its my favourite soundtrack from a Trek movie. Especially the bit that plays when

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Kirk is dying.

 

[Danseru-kun]

I just watched it and I loved the film like I loved the 2009 reboot. I think this one is less bombastic and more focused on actions between people and difficult decisions.

I really, really love Spock. I was jerking and screaming silently at one part of the movie because I couldn't express my emotions properly

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where Kirk dies it was damn sad to see Spock cry

. I'm now "procuring" a copy of "Wrath of Khan" (I know the connection) and I plan to watch other old Star Trek films that have a high rating.

 

[Abortedj]

Not directly about "Into Darkness", but Star Trek related. Hottest woman ever related to Star Trek, Batgirl painted green... blanking on her name.

 

[ForceStealer]

I'm now "procuring" a copy of "Wrath of Khan" (I know the connection) and I plan to watch other old Star Trek films that have a high rating.

For best results, watch the Star Trek episode "Space Seed" first, for the background on Kirk and Khan.

 

[Danseru-kun]

^

I posted "Last Film" thread I've watched Star Trek II, III, IV and VI. I do agree you with you that I should have at least watched a Khan episode, but I'll try to watch that ep you recommended.

Anyone here knows a good crossover fic between Star Trek and Star Wars? Preferably the Star trek reboot universe rather than the TOS because I like to imagine Chris Pine than Shatner.

 

[ForceStealer]

As someone who's never really liked fanfiction, I always thought this was a fun, short SW crossover one. (Navigate the chapters on the left) But it's with Picard, not Kirk.

 

[Lord Noctis]

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I posted "Last Film" thread I've watched Star Trek II, III, IV and VI. I do agree you with you that I should have at least watched a Khan episode, but I'll try to watch that ep you recommended.

Anyone here knows a good crossover fic between Star Trek and Star Wars? Preferably the Star trek reboot universe rather than the TOS because I like to imagine Chris Pine than Shatner.

http://sfdebris.com/inprint/unity.asp

That there is the Unity Saga, a fanfiction roughly the length of six novels. It also happens to better written than most novels. It is with Picard instead of Kirk, but its well worth the read.

Even for somebody who doesn't like fanfiction. (That last bit was directed at you Force)

 

[Dana Scully]

Just saw it in a tiny little theatre full of cosplaying German Trekkies, was a great time (and the movie itself was pretty good too).

Spoiler: disclaimer i am not a big trek fan do not expect serious review

- At the beginning I was like holy SHIT THAT'S MICKEY MICKEY JUST GOT PERSUADED BY EVIL SHERLOCK TO BLOW UP A BUNCH OF PEOPLE MICKEY NO and then had to forcefully unfandom myself
- I was so tempted to yell out gaaaaaaaaayyyy at certain scenes but managed to restrain myself. In all seriousness, though, the Kirk death scene was very well done, even though I knew the moment he entered the reactor that Khan's blood would be used to save him.
- Benedict Cumberbatch was superb
- Spock is hot
- KHHHAAAAAAANNNNNNNNN made me laugh but it also made my life because I say that all the time
- Plot was painfully predictable, but that's okay because good music and better sound effects
- I felt the usage of the classic SPACE, THE FINAL FRONTIER etc etc was way too forced and subtracted from the ending

Overall I'd say a 7/10 but 1.5 of that is awarded purely for Benedict Cumberbatch's voice hnnnggghhh

 

[Ryushikaze]

http://sfdebris.com/inprint/unity.asp

That there is the Unity Saga, a fanfiction roughly the length of six novels. It also happens to better written than most novels. It is with Picard instead of Kirk, but its well worth the read.

Even for somebody who doesn't like fanfiction. (That last bit was directed at you Force)

Ah, Chuck's Unity Saga. I also like the Mike Wong crossover series.

 

[Danseru-kun]

Hmmm.... I might get to familiarize myself with Picard first before reading the fanfics, all I know about him is from tvtropes, parodies and the Fanboy movie (I love that one hahaha.)

 

[Zee]

i did

not like this movie as much as i thought i did

i think it comes down to the fact that i can't fucking stand kirk. kirk's arc. everything that's going on there needs to stop it's terrible.

(also NOTHING ABOUT THE OPENING SEQUENCE MADE ANY GODDAMN SENSE)

 

[Danseru-kun]

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I think the opening sequence is meant to show how Kirk puts the life of his crewmember over Starfleet regulations and how Spock seem to value his life so little. I also liked that they show that Kirk and Spock both have good intentions but deals with them differently- Spock always following rules and being honest, while Kirk has to break the rules and lie for what he believe is right.

I saw some of the tie-in comics and the tension between Spock and Uhura makes more sense. After the destruction of Vulcan, Spock takes the "needs of the few outweighs the needs of the many" very seriously that it endangered his life a few times and he doesn't mind. This worries Uhura and Spock promised her he'll change but in the movie he displayed the same attitude.

Edit: I really love Spock. I think Spock follows the logical choice of sacrificing his life for a higher utility, but then he also realize how this could affect his loved ones so he shut his emotions because he does care. Quote from the novelization:

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"To even consider the idea of one’s death affecting a loved one would be so painful that the only logical option in that moment would be to choose to feel nothing instead. This was recently confirmed for me as Admiral Pike was dying. As I tried to comfort him, I briefly joined with his consciousness. I experienced what he felt at the moment of his passing. There was a surprising dearth of pain. In its place there was anger. Confusion. Loneliness. Fear. Nyota, you misunderstand my choice not to feel at that moment as an indication of not caring, while I assure you the truth was exactly the opposite."

 

[Zee]

I think the opening sequence is meant to show how Kirk puts the life of his crewmember over Starfleet regulations and how Spock seem to value his life so little. I also liked that they show that Kirk and Spock both have good intentions but deals with them differently- Spock always following rules and being honest, while Kirk has to break the rules and lie for what he believe is right.

no when i say it didn't make any sense i mean not on a character level i mean like on every logical level

the whole flippin' movie was like this

Spoiler: okay my issues

1. this is the biggest plot hole in the entire movie but why the fuck are starships operating in gravity fields??? wasn't the whole reason they were built in space was because they couldn't operate within a gravity field?? SO WHY WERE THEY IN THE BOTTOM OF A FLIPPIN OCEAN. WHY DIDN'T THE SHIPS COMPLETELY RIP APART AND KILL EVERYONE ON BOARD THE SECOND THEY HIT THE ATMOSPHERE
2. on that note why couldn't they just beam the team down rather than risk being seen by the population? ????
3. we have the technology to go into warp drive and build starships but not to have robots go down into the volcano and set off the bomb for us
4. THE ENTIRE MOVIE "well jim you can't rely on luck" well apparently you fuckin' can when the entire plot moves around your convenience. the movie acknowledged that it was a stupid idea to throw him into the captain's chair so soon and then, 15 minutes afterward, throws him RIGHT BACK INTO THE SEAT.
5. so now old!spock is a complete cheat sheet they can call on whenever they get stuck??
6. the last half of the movie was so predictable (wow khan's blood revives kirk, i for one did not see that coming the second they experimented on the tribble, no sir) it was like playing mad libs: the scifi movie edition

good things about this movie: spock/uhura. bless.

jj abrams did an interview on jon stewart where he said he never liked star trek because of the philosophy (EVEN THOUGH THAT'S WHAT STAR TREK WAS ABOUT) and it shows in this movie. he has no idea (or respect) for what star trek is at it's core. please guy, go and do star wars. do the summer blockbuster sci fi movie to your heart's content with those. stay far the fuck away from trek, please.

 

[Obsidian Fire]

^^and here I didn't really like Star Treck untill Roddenberry stopped working on it... DS9 was my favorite...

 

[Geostigma]

Ill answer what I can.

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2. on that note why couldn't they just beam the team down rather than risk being seen by the population? ????

Plotwise you have a point. Its a big duh kind of thing. But lets be fair its a summer block buster and by and large these movies need and deserve big moments that just look fuckin cool. Having the movie start off like that really helps set the mood.

3. we have the technology to go into warp drive and build starships but not to have robots go down into the volcano and set off the bomb for us

My general knowledge of Star Trek is severely lacking a timeline. But what I do know is that either by this point the droids dont exist, or if they do they have already been banned. Theres a reason why Data is pretty much the only droid in all of Star Trek,

4. THE ENTIRE MOVIE "well jim you can't rely on luck" well apparently you fuckin' can when the entire plot moves around your convenience. the movie acknowledged that it was a stupid idea to throw him into the captain's chair so soon and then, 15 minutes afterward, throws him RIGHT BACK INTO THE SEAT.

Practically all of the commanders in that area were just killed off, the rest are in deep space treking about. Not to mention Kirk was put back in the seat because he was the perfect pawn, not the perfect commander.

. so now old!spock is a complete cheat sheet they can call on whenever they get stuck??

Not really considering old spock said he vowed not to be a cheat sheet, but considering the circumstances (KHAN) he felt he had to help so that the crew doesnt suffer the same great loss they did in the original timeline.

6. the last half of the movie was so predictable (wow khan's blood revives kirk, i for one did not see that coming the second they experimented on the tribble, no sir) it was like playing mad libs: the scifi movie edition

Were practically a century into movie making. Every plot device and plot line has been used so far, its pretty hard for most movies to not be predictable now a days.

also NOTHING ABOUT THE OPENING SEQUENCE MADE ANY GODDAMN SENSE)

Makes perfect sense to me.
Spock attempts to save the planet, and Kirk attempts to get a relic of it incase it fails. There job is to discover new worlds and what they were doing there perfectly falls in line with that job description.

 

[Tetsujin]

1. this is the biggest plot hole in the entire movie but why the fuck are starships operating in gravity fields??? wasn't the whole reason they were built in space was because they couldn't operate within a gravity field??

The Abramsverse Enterprise was assembled on Earth. And I remember the Enterprise operating within the Earth's atmosphere in TOS as well.

 

[Lord Noctis]

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Makes perfect sense to me.
Spock attempts to save the planet, and Kirk attempts to get a relic of it incase it fails. There job is to discover new worlds and what they were doing there perfectly falls in line with that job description.

All right except for this bit. Kirk stole the artifact in order to get the natives to chase him so he could lure them away from the temple and hopefully keep them from getting killed. It was a good call to considering what happened to the temple only a few minutes later.

 

[Geostigma]

All right except for this bit. Kirk stole the artifact in order to get the natives to chase him so he could lure them away from the temple and hopefully keep them from getting killed. It was a good call to considering what happened to the temple only a few minutes later.

Thanks I watched a ripped version of the movie that starts off with Kirk and Doc already on the ground I didnt realize there was more to the movie lol.

 

[ForceStealer]

^^and here I didn't really like Star Treck untill Roddenberry stopped working on it... DS9 was my favorite...

Suggesting that Star Trek ceased to be about philosophy/more heady stuff after Roddenberry left?

Roddenberry didn't really work on much besides TOS, the first 2.5 seasons or so of TNG (i.e. the bad ones), and the Slow-Motion Picture.

 

[Danseru-kun]

My answers

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1. this is the biggest plot hole in the entire movie but why the fuck are starships operating in gravity fields??? wasn't the whole reason they were built in space was because they couldn't operate within a gravity field?? SO WHY WERE THEY IN THE BOTTOM OF A FLIPPIN OCEAN. WHY DIDN'T THE SHIPS COMPLETELY RIP APART AND KILL EVERYONE ON BOARD THE SECOND THEY HIT THE ATMOSPHERE

Well in Abramsverse you can see the Enterprise in Iowa under construction at the beginning of the 2009 movie, so it's fair to say it can operate on gravity field.

2. on that note why couldn't they just beam the team down rather than risk being seen by the population? ????

I think Jim and Bones are intentionally luring the natives to safety

3. we have the technology to go into warp drive and build starships but not to have robots go down into the volcano and set off the bomb for us

Well that makes sense, but I got the impression the whole mission was a big improvisation because Pike implied that saving the natives is not actually their responsibility .

4. THE ENTIRE MOVIE "well jim you can't rely on luck" well apparently you fuckin' can when the entire plot moves around your convenience. the movie acknowledged that it was a stupid idea to throw him into the captain's chair so soon and then, 15 minutes afterward, throws him RIGHT BACK INTO THE SEAT.

I think the idea that he's not ready was further enforced when he hastily made decisions almost got his whole crew killed and he technically died. He boasted to Pike that none of his crewmen died for the past six months, but in this movie a lot died. I think he'll learn much after this.

5. so now old!spock is a complete cheat sheet they can call on whenever they get stuck??

I think he only made an exception because it was Khan. Also, since the next movie is about them going to uncharted territories I think they won't have a chance to contact Nimoy.

6. the last half of the movie was so predictable (wow khan's blood revives kirk, i for one did not see that coming the second they experimented on the tribble, no sir) it was like playing mad libs: the scifi movie edition

I didn't see Jim's revival coming because I watched the scene from Wrath of Khan where Spock really died, my brother predictable the revival too because of the tribble, my sister didn't. So it depends on the audience.

good things about this movie: spock/uhura. bless.

I SHIP THEM SO HARD I LOVE THAT COUPLE

About the issue on whather Abrams captured the Trek spirit, I'm not really a big Trekker but I think it's good to have Star Trek to be a blockbuster in the big screen and leave philosophy in the TV series if there is going to be a series again. I've seen some of the old films and not taking into account special effects, I do not find them superior in content than Abrams' version.

Leonard Nimoy also seems to be very impressed by the reboot (and got a bit jealous that Quinto had a romance with Zaldana's Uhura, he's a shipper) and was even moved to tears while Shatner remarked the reboot lacks heart ( think because he didn't get his wish to have Kirk revived and have a non-cameo role in the first movie.) I disagree with Shatner, actually.

I think it's really, really obvious that I love Abrams' Trek

 

[ForceStealer]

I was never under the impression that Starfleet ships couldn't operate in an atmosphere, it's just that [most] can't land so they usually don't. With the interstellar phenomenon the Enterprise regularly deals with, I'd be surprised if it couldn't handle atmospheric (or even water) pressure. I figured the old ones were built in space just because it was easier.
Beyond that I can't really argue with Zee's points.

I am somewhat inclined to agree with Shatner that the new films lack heart. They are most certainly fun and I enjoy Star Trek being in the spotlight and appreciated again, but there are definitely old movies I would put over the Abrams ones. (Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, and First Contact definitely)
I'd probably place the Abrams ones in a similar vein as the Voyage Home - tons of fun, but it could really be in ANY sci-fi universe and it wouldn't make much difference.

 

[Danseru-kun]

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I really liked the first part of Undiscovered Country, with all the Klingon tension and stuff but the end really seemed cheesy to me, with Kirk's speech about the future and all. I think Abrams' film being built in an alternate universe with a disadvantage of naving no series to build character friendships is not exactly in an easy spot to put "heart." I also think Abrams did his best for the reboot films to appeal to a fresh audience, because honestly I think the old films, , especially The Wrath of Khan, had less impact to me because I didn't watch TOS. The old films seem to cater more to Trekkers.

I think

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Kirk's birth, the destruction of Vulcan, and Spocks meeting each other

in the 2009 film is emotionally satisfying and in STID we have

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Kirk almost getting his crew killed and Kirk's death and Spock crying

to be a good follow-up.